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08/18/2008 08:09:32 PM · #101 |
Originally posted by Matthew:
Originally posted by ryand:
They are telling people what they can and can't wear. No huge deal still really, i could live with that maybe, i don't like being forced to wear something, but I can live with it. |
It is this kind of comment that really undermines an argument. If you are going to disagree with something, please take the time to update your supporting "facts" to within the last 30 years... |
You know what's interesting?  ryand's profile says he's 17 (and the picture supports that ;-) ). So I guess he didn't fail to update his views on China in the last 30 years.
This raises the question where he takes his information about China from...
Message edited by author 2008-08-18 20:10:04. |
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08/18/2008 08:17:46 PM · #102 |
Originally posted by Sam94720:
Originally posted by ryand:
Originally posted by Sam94720:
Originally posted by ryand:
The stuff that I mentioned in my post about China: killing people because they don't believe a certain way, telling you how and when you can start a business, controlling your money, none of those really appeal to me. |
So your argument is that taxing the huge oil profits would lead to killing people because they don't behave a certain way? That is simply absurd... |
yup. absurd, yeah it sounds pretty absurd, but I guarantee communism in China didn't happen by promoting the killing of people who don't believe the same thing as them. Our argument isn't really going anywhere, I'm content with us disagreeing, if you have some evidence that would influence me to believe that Obama's ideas are healthy for our country I'm open to them, but going back and forth slamming the other persons response goes nowhere. |
When electing a president you always have to compare the complete "packages" and choose the one you prefer overall (based on your priorities).
This year you have the choice between continuing the politics of the past eight years or taking a new path. Between focussing on the past or looking to the future. Starting new wars or ending old ones. Adding more obscurity to government or increasing transparency. Making the rich richer and the poor poorer or promoting fairness. Censorship and corporate control of information or a free Internet. Hate and mistrust or compassion and respect. Mudslinging and smears or a productive discussion of the issues. Ignorance or curiosity. Mediocrity or excellence. Pessimism or optimism. Monologue or dialog. Confrontation or cooperation. Senility or youthfulness.
I could go on and on. I think the contrast couldn't be more clear. |
Now I know Obama is the messiah. How could one think otherwise based on this tidy comparison? ;) I'm not a fan of either man, but seriously... |
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08/18/2008 11:30:18 PM · #103 |
Originally posted by Matthew:
Originally posted by ryand:
They are telling people what they can and can't wear. No huge deal still really, i could live with that maybe, i don't like being forced to wear something, but I can live with it. |
It is this kind of comment that really undermines an argument. If you are going to disagree with something, please take the time to update your supporting "facts" to within the last 30 years... |
how about the fact that they are doing it right now, like they did it yesterday, they did it today and they'll do it tomorrow. they are doing it for the olympics.
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08/19/2008 12:29:53 AM · #104 |
| Hey Mathew is it me or are they arguing Marxism, Leninism, Communism and about five other degrees of rhetoric? First China actually practices a suedo form of Communism/capitalism=free trade for the proletariat, Everyone else is dictated to. Also agree that you do not have to be alive at the time to update your facts about the time. I say we figure out a way to side drill into Saudi Arabia and park oil rigs off the coast in international waters with Nuclear subs aimed at anyone that comes near. |
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08/19/2008 03:13:15 AM · #105 |
Originally posted by ryand:
Originally posted by Sam94720:
And what would the detrimental actions and policies of the left be? Do you have a few examples? |
I'm not real thrilled about Obama's idea to take money from the big oil companies and give it to the people. Yeah I'd love to have $1000 extra, but you can't just take from a business because they are doing so well. That is borderline communism. |
Saw this and had to put in my $0.02 -- I just finished reading Atlas Shrugged and while I don't agree with some of the philosophy in it, it makes an excellent point about robbing the rich to give to the poor -- in the book, the government does just that and the entire economy slowly and catastrophically collapses. |
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08/19/2008 06:18:01 AM · #106 |
Originally posted by mpeters:
Originally posted by Sam94720:
Originally posted by ryand:
Originally posted by Sam94720:
Originally posted by ryand:
The stuff that I mentioned in my post about China: killing people because they don't believe a certain way, telling you how and when you can start a business, controlling your money, none of those really appeal to me. |
So your argument is that taxing the huge oil profits would lead to killing people because they don't behave a certain way? That is simply absurd... |
yup. absurd, yeah it sounds pretty absurd, but I guarantee communism in China didn't happen by promoting the killing of people who don't believe the same thing as them. Our argument isn't really going anywhere, I'm content with us disagreeing, if you have some evidence that would influence me to believe that Obama's ideas are healthy for our country I'm open to them, but going back and forth slamming the other persons response goes nowhere. |
When electing a president you always have to compare the complete "packages" and choose the one you prefer overall (based on your priorities).
This year you have the choice between continuing the politics of the past eight years or taking a new path. Between focussing on the past or looking to the future. Starting new wars or ending old ones. Adding more obscurity to government or increasing transparency. Making the rich richer and the poor poorer or promoting fairness. Censorship and corporate control of information or a free Internet. Hate and mistrust or compassion and respect. Mudslinging and smears or a productive discussion of the issues. Ignorance or curiosity. Mediocrity or excellence. Pessimism or optimism. Monologue or dialog. Confrontation or cooperation. Senility or youthfulness.
I could go on and on. I think the contrast couldn't be more clear. |
Now I know Obama is the messiah. How could one think otherwise based on this tidy comparison? ;) I'm not a fan of either man, but seriously... |
Depends on what you prefer. If you feel that the whole world wants nothing more than killing Americans and that you have to be vigilant and brutal, that the poor want to steal money from the rich via taxes, etc., then McCain sounds more promising.
Is there anything in my list that you would consider inaccurate? |
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08/19/2008 06:21:32 AM · #107 |
Originally posted by JesiLynR:
Saw this and had to put in my $0.02 -- I just finished reading Atlas Shrugged and while I don't agree with some of the philosophy in it, it makes an excellent point about robbing the rich to give to the poor -- in the book, the government does just that and the entire economy slowly and catastrophically collapses. |
What is the alternative? How would you distribute taxes? Who should pay how much?
Message edited by author 2008-08-19 06:21:46. |
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08/19/2008 06:26:18 AM · #108 |
Originally posted by JesiLynR:
Saw this and had to put in my $0.02 -- I just finished reading Atlas Shrugged and while I don't agree with some of the philosophy in it, it makes an excellent point about robbing the rich to give to the poor -- in the book, the government does just that and the entire economy slowly and catastrophically collapses. |
You are aware that this is a work of fiction?
Ayn Rand promotes objectivism over interventionism (of any sort). However, the spectacular growth of global markets in the half century since Ayn Rand wrote that novel have resulted in a global economy that is far more reliant upon regulation to ensure "fair play".
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08/19/2008 06:52:54 AM · #109 |
I need to start my own website....... downwiththeliberals.com Liberals are just out of touch from reality...
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08/19/2008 07:11:39 AM · #110 |
Originally posted by cowboy221977:
I need to start my own website....... downwiththeliberals.com Liberals are just out of touch from reality... |
In what way? Please provide specifics. I always only hear slogans like "Down with the liberals!", "Liberals have no morals.", "Liberals are out of touch with reality.", etc. Could you please make some examples? Could you please point to policies you don't like? |
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08/19/2008 07:49:46 AM · #111 |
ok one very important issue that the "liberals" have enforced is no drilling. That is one reason (not the only reason) the gas prices are so high. Also the reason we have not had any new nuclear reactors "clean energy" in the last 30 years is because of the liberls. Now all of a sudden there is a rush for new reactors...etc. The list goes on but frankly I don't have time to go into it right now....
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08/19/2008 09:17:24 AM · #112 |
Originally posted by Sam94720:
Originally posted by mpeters:
Originally posted by Sam94720:
Originally posted by ryand:
Originally posted by Sam94720:
Originally posted by ryand:
The stuff that I mentioned in my post about China: killing people because they don't believe a certain way, telling you how and when you can start a business, controlling your money, none of those really appeal to me. |
So your argument is that taxing the huge oil profits would lead to killing people because they don't behave a certain way? That is simply absurd... |
yup. absurd, yeah it sounds pretty absurd, but I guarantee communism in China didn't happen by promoting the killing of people who don't believe the same thing as them. Our argument isn't really going anywhere, I'm content with us disagreeing, if you have some evidence that would influence me to believe that Obama's ideas are healthy for our country I'm open to them, but going back and forth slamming the other persons response goes nowhere. |
When electing a president you always have to compare the complete "packages" and choose the one you prefer overall (based on your priorities).
This year you have the choice between continuing the politics of the past eight years or taking a new path. Between focussing on the past or looking to the future. Starting new wars or ending old ones. Adding more obscurity to government or increasing transparency. Making the rich richer and the poor poorer or promoting fairness. Censorship and corporate control of information or a free Internet. Hate and mistrust or compassion and respect. Mudslinging and smears or a productive discussion of the issues. Ignorance or curiosity. Mediocrity or excellence. Pessimism or optimism. Monologue or dialog. Confrontation or cooperation. Senility or youthfulness.
I could go on and on. I think the contrast couldn't be more clear. |
Now I know Obama is the messiah. How could one think otherwise based on this tidy comparison? ;) I'm not a fan of either man, but seriously... |
Depends on what you prefer. If you feel that the whole world wants nothing more than killing Americans and that you have to be vigilant and brutal, that the poor want to steal money from the rich via taxes, etc., then McCain sounds more promising.
Is there anything in my list that you would consider inaccurate? |
Well, you're not very clear in your little comparision paragraph and it's just a bunch of blanket contrasting statements with no substance. Pretty much politics as usual. I'm with Mark that I'm not a fan of either but when one side or the other throws out black and white statements on issues that have way too much gray area it just screams "PARTISAN".
Lets start with this statement:
This year you have the choice between continuing the politics of the past eight years or taking a new path.
McCain is not Bush and this is just a clever ploy by the DNC and The Obama Party to move McCain as close to Bush as possible b/c of his low approval rating.
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Between focussing on the past or looking to the future.
Do you want to elaborate? Last Time I checked Obama keeps bringing up the last eight years while McCain keeps talking about winning the war in Iraq and Terror. Obama 's entire campaign is about the last eight years, not the future as you state.
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Starting new wars or ending old ones.
Just another false statement trying to scare people. When has McCain said that he is going to start another war? Plus, Obama wants to End the war but has seemed to change is stance on immediate withdrawl from Iraq. McCain wants to end the war to but not w/o victory, I agree.
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Making the rich richer and the poor poorer or promoting fairness.
Again, just politicis as usual. McCain as said that he will not raise taxes, on anyone. Now I disagree with this but I don't see how this makes the poor poorer.
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Hate and mistrust or compassion and respect.
Come on, really! Show me hate by either candidate other than for the others party. I disagree with both's views on Gay marriage but I don't classify them as hating, just different beliefs. Do you want to point out this hate you speak of.
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Mudslinging and smears or a productive discussion of the issues
Again, both side have and do partake in this, unfortunately this is politics in America, Lowest common denominator.
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Pessimism or optimism
Please, Obama has talked about every negative issue in this country and repeatably talked about losing the war in Iraq. Can you show me where McCain is pessimistic?
These are a few and I don't have enough time to respond to them all but would love to see you elaborate on each statement you made. Use real issue to make your points, I would love to see them since right now I'm on the fence for both guys. No more stump speech statement though please.
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08/19/2008 09:44:09 AM · #113 |
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08/19/2008 09:47:52 AM · #114 |
Originally posted by trevytrev:
Please, Obama has talked about every negative issue in this country and repeatably talked about losing the war in Iraq. Can you show me where McCain is pessimistic? |
Come now. Every challenger to the incumbment leader or party in every election in every democratic society on the planet talks about the issues of the government in a way that casts a negative light on its performance. A challenger is not going to get elected by offering a new government that appears to simply support or mirror the policies of the old. It's silly to expect anything less.
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08/19/2008 09:59:46 AM · #115 |
Originally posted by Louis:
Originally posted by trevytrev:
Please, Obama has talked about every negative issue in this country and repeatably talked about losing the war in Iraq. Can you show me where McCain is pessimistic? |
Come now. Every challenger to the incubment leader or party in every election in every democratic society on the planet talks about the issues of the government in a way that casts a negative light on its performance. A challenger is not going to get elected by offering a new government that appears to simply support or mirror the policies of the old. It's silly to expect anything less. |
I agree Louis, but I'm making a point that I don't think that Obama is all Wiskers on Kittens and raindrops on roses. In fact, the only time he is optimistic, just like any other political candidate, is when he is speaking of "himself" and the country when he gets in office. The point being is that Obama is no more optimistic than McCain, in fact less so if you ask me but they are both going to shower you with promises of hope and rays of sunshine for the future. I will ask again, where is this gloom and doom that he claims McCain is dishing out to the public? |
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08/19/2008 10:06:54 AM · #116 |
Originally posted by trevytrev:
In fact, the only time he is optimistic, just like any other political candidate, is when he is speaking of "himself" and the country when he gets in office. |
Well naturally. He's not going to be optimistic about the prospects of McCain getting in office. Why should he? Maybe you can explain how you would have any candidate behave in a way that would be appealing to you.
Originally posted by trevytrev:
I will ask again, where is this gloom and doom that he claims McCain is dishing out to the public? |
I think the suggestion is that if McCain is president, it's simply a continuation of the previous presidency. There is a certain logic in that way of thinking. He's appealing to that mass of voters -- 79% at last count -- who think Bush is doing a bad job, and who are likely seeking -- wait for it! -- change.
Message edited by author 2008-08-19 10:07:28. |
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08/19/2008 10:12:19 AM · #117 |
Originally posted by Sam94720:
When electing a president you always have to compare the complete "packages" and choose the one you prefer overall (based on your priorities).
This year you have the choice between continuing the politics of the past eight years or taking a new path. Between focussing on the past or looking to the future. Starting new wars or ending old ones. Adding more obscurity to government or increasing transparency. Making the rich richer and the poor poorer or promoting fairness. Censorship and corporate control of information or a free Internet. Hate and mistrust or compassion and respect. Mudslinging and smears or a productive discussion of the issues. Ignorance or curiosity. Mediocrity or excellence. Pessimism or optimism. Monologue or dialog. Confrontation or cooperation. Senility or youthfulness.
I could go on and on. I think the contrast couldn't be more clear. |
This sounds like a speech, where all you are doing is comparing something that sounds negative to something that sounds positive. And then you attach the positive to the democratic side and the negative to the republicans. Obama has been doing the very exact thing. His slogan is "change", but he has provided very few to no good ideas on how to change, he just keeps saying "change is what we want", "I'll bring change." I hear stuff like that a lot, but rarely does anything come along with it that makes actual sense. So when you ask if anything on your list is inaccurate, its hard to say that anything on their is accurate, you are making vague comparisons, and then attaching a party to the positive sides and a party to the negative sides. I could quite easily change those words to make them sound better for my side. For example: "senility or youthfulness" to "Wisdom or inexperience", now my candidate sounds better (not that I really support McCain, but you get the point I think).
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08/19/2008 10:14:34 AM · #118 |
Originally posted by Sam94720:
Originally posted by cowboy221977:
I need to start my own website....... downwiththeliberals.com Liberals are just out of touch from reality... |
In what way? Please provide specifics. I always only hear slogans like "Down with the liberals!", "Liberals have no morals.", "Liberals are out of touch with reality.", etc. Could you please make some examples? Could you please point to policies you don't like? |
It makes no sense that you can go off on us for making a note about creating a website with no liberals, when you are defending the original poster that says he wants to create dpcnoconservatives.com, that doesn't make sense in my mind.
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08/19/2008 10:19:53 AM · #119 |
Originally posted by ryand:
Obama has been doing the very exact thing. His slogan is "change", but he has provided very few to no good ideas on how to change, he just keeps saying "change is what we want", "I'll bring change." |
It's obvious the change being referred to is a shift from a very unpopular president to a new one. If you don't think he's actually offering any change, you haven't looked very hard -- if at all. The party platfrom (or whatever Americans call it) is easily found by the most casual of glances at his website. Here it is. |
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08/19/2008 10:20:20 AM · #120 |
Originally posted by Louis:
Originally posted by trevytrev:
In fact, the only time he is optimistic, just like any other political candidate, is when he is speaking of "himself" and the country when he gets in office. |
Well naturally. He's not going to be optimistic about the prospects of McCain getting in office. Why should he? Maybe you can explain how you would have any candidate behave in a way that would be appealing to you.
Again Louis, I agree. But I'm not the one who came out and said that you can vote for Obama who talks all Optimism, or you can vote for McCain who is all Pessimism. Show me something to back this up.
Originally posted by trevytrev:
I will ask again, where is this gloom and doom that he claims McCain is dishing out to the public? |
I think the suggestion is that if McCain is president, it's simply a continuation of the previous presidency. There is a certain logic in that way of thinking. He's appealing to that mass of voters -- 79% at last count -- who think Bush is doing a bad job, and who are likely seeking -- wait for it! -- change. |
That's not what he said, he said "Pessimism or optimism". He already implied that McCain was going continue the policies of Bush in a previous statement, this is a separate statement that,to me, is implying that one candidate(McCain) is pessimistic and the other(Obama)is optimistic. I disagree with the statement as I have already stated. If that's what he meant than just come out and say it. |
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08/19/2008 10:22:14 AM · #121 |
Originally posted by trevytrev:
That's not what he said, he said "Pessimism or optimism". |
Oh, well I suppose I made a mistake, because I was referring to the message of the Obama campaign, and not what Sam said. |
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08/19/2008 10:51:25 AM · #122 |
I'm shocked to see how uninformed or misinformed many Americans are. Most Europeans know more about your candidates and their policies than the average American. Why is that?
Originally posted by trevytrev:
This year you have the choice between continuing the politics of the past eight years or taking a new path.
McCain is not Bush and this is just a clever ploy by the DNC and The Obama Party to move McCain as close to Bush as possible b/c of his low approval rating. |
McCain has voted with Bush 95% of the time. He vowed to continue his policies. They keep praising each other. They share many advisors.
Originally posted by trevytrev:
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Between focussing on the past or looking to the future.
Do you want to elaborate? Last Time I checked Obama keeps bringing up the last eight years while McCain keeps talking about winning the war in Iraq and Terror. Obama 's entire campaign is about the last eight years, not the future as you state. |
Obama's campaign is about taking a different direction. And on most issues, he is more directed towards the future than towards the past. Take energy, for example: He advocates investing into new sources of energy instead of continuing to rely on oil as we've done for the last decades.
Originally posted by trevytrev:
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Starting new wars or ending old ones.
Just another false statement trying to scare people. When has McCain said that he is going to start another war? Plus, Obama wants to End the war but has seemed to change is stance on immediate withdrawl from Iraq. McCain wants to end the war to but not w/o victory, I agree. |
McCain has promised further wars, multiple times. He said he wouldn't mind staying in Iraq for 100 years. He sang "bomb, bomb, bomb Iran". His rhetoric aims at a new cold war with Russia. And about "winning" the war in Iraq: Please think about what that might even mean. What needs to happen for the war to be "won"? //www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdJUCU1UH2w
Originally posted by trevytrev:
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Making the rich richer and the poor poorer or promoting fairness.
Again, just politicis as usual. McCain as said that he will not raise taxes, on anyone. Now I disagree with this but I don't see how this makes the poor poorer. |
Consider this: //2.bp.blogspot.com/_hQFy9C-miC4/SJ748zAiMaI/AAAAAAAAEGc/rmBtaeREaaE/s1600-h/baracktax.gif
It shows who McCain cares for most. And it also shows that the attempt of the McCain campaign to make middle class Americans think Obama wants to raise their taxes is dishonest.
Originally posted by trevytrev:
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Hate and mistrust or compassion and respect.
Come on, really! Show me hate by either candidate other than for the others party. I disagree with both's views on Gay marriage but I don't classify them as hating, just different beliefs. Do you want to point out this hate you speak of. |
The basis of McCain's world view is that everyone is out to get us. We are right, they are wrong. We fight to conquer evil. He says things like "I hated the gooks. I will hate them as long as I live.". Obama has a less simplistic world view. He has lived in other countries. He can see other people's point of view. He is willing to talk to leaders of other nations if this allows us to find solutions and prevent war, for example.
Originally posted by trevytrev:
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Mudslinging and smears or a productive discussion of the issues
Again, both side have and do partake in this, unfortunately this is politics in America, Lowest common denominator. |
Obama has successfully abstained from the dirty campaign tactics we got to know, both in the primaries and in the general election. The other side hasn't. They keep spreading lies about Obama (him being a Muslim, his wife's alleged remarks, that he wants to raise taxes for low-income families, etc.) and in their ads they focus on unfairly attacking Obama (you have seen the "celebrity" ones). Obama on the other hand focuses on the issues.
Originally posted by trevytrev:
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Pessimism or optimism
Please, Obama has talked about every negative issue in this country and repeatably talked about losing the war in Iraq. Can you show me where McCain is pessimistic? |
"There will be other wars, my friends." is something I would consider a pessimistic remark (at least for ordinary people, Halliburton might see this differently). McCain's message is "It's tough and we'll have to fight hard and make sacrifices. Life will be unpleasant, but we have to do what we have to do." while Obama's is more like "America is no longer as great as it used to be and as it could be. Let's work together to get our nation back to where it should be. Life will get better." (both not direct quotes, but my own summary of their messages as I perceive them).
Originally posted by trevytrev:
These are a few and I don't have enough time to respond to them all but would love to see you elaborate on each statement you made. Use real issue to make your points, I would love to see them since right now I'm on the fence for both guys. No more stump speech statement though please. |
I have followed your primaries and the general election closely and I dare to say that I'm better informed than the majority of Americans. Many Americans rely on conventional wisdom they believe to be true (like "Republicans are fiscally conservative, they spend less money."). Unfortunately, it's mostly myths.
Your media don't really help. The "liberal media" is another myth. Guess why Giuliani was the frontrunner of the GOP until people actually started voting? The media... Your media hardly ever discuss the actual issues, they focus on sound bites, slogans, rumors and stories about such trivial matters as hair cuts, shoes and greeting gestures. Why do they do this?
The media have also been very kind to McCain. All his recent gaffes have gone mostly unnoticed. Do you know Reverend Wright? I bet you do, he was all over the news for weeks. How much do you know about Reverend Hague? Both should not get this exaggerated attention, but at least it should be approximately equal...
Well, too many issues to discuss. Try and keep yourself informed and don't rely on myths. Here's a recent article you might want to consider: //www.nytimes.com/2008/08/17/opinion/17rich.html?em |
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08/19/2008 10:59:19 AM · #123 |
Originally posted by ryand:
Originally posted by Sam94720:
Originally posted by cowboy221977:
I need to start my own website....... downwiththeliberals.com Liberals are just out of touch from reality... |
In what way? Please provide specifics. I always only hear slogans like "Down with the liberals!", "Liberals have no morals.", "Liberals are out of touch with reality.", etc. Could you please make some examples? Could you please point to policies you don't like? |
It makes no sense that you can go off on us for making a note about creating a website with no liberals, when you are defending the original poster that says he wants to create dpcnoconservatives.com, that doesn't make sense in my mind. |
Please stop making assumptions. I didn't say anything about that website suggestion. And I didn't support the original poster's demand for an alternative site, please read the comment I made:
Originally posted by Sam94720:
What are you unhappy with? I know it's meant as a joke, but a photo site only for non-conservatives would be about as silly as an encyclopedia exclusively for conservatives. ;-) |
This is exactly the problem with your reasoning. You have certain beliefs that are not supported by reality, but you argue based on them.
And for those saying that Obama only vaguely demands "change": Study his website, he has detailed plans on every issue that you can examine. It should be obvious that you cannot talk about such details in speeches.
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08/19/2008 11:05:38 AM · #124 |
Originally posted by cowboy221977:
ok one very important issue that the "liberals" have enforced is no drilling. That is one reason (not the only reason) the gas prices are so high. Also the reason we have not had any new nuclear reactors "clean energy" in the last 30 years is because of the liberls. Now all of a sudden there is a rush for new reactors...etc. The list goes on but frankly I don't have time to go into it right now.... |
The absence of off-shore drilling has a minimal impact on gas prices. Even inflating tires would help more. //www.huffingtonpost.com/bill-scher/yes-conservatives-inflate_b_116791.html
Nuclear reactors are a different issue. They are in fact very clean in terms of pollution, their only problem is the radioactive waste created...
We should probably seriously examine sources like solar energy, for example. As soon as its efficiency is improved I would consider it one of the most promising energy sources with the least side effects.
Any other "detrimental" liberal policies? |
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08/19/2008 11:27:41 AM · #125 |
Originally posted by ryand:
I could quite easily change those words to make them sound better for my side. For example: "senility or youthfulness" to "Wisdom or inexperience", now my candidate sounds better (not that I really support McCain, but you get the point I think). |
Except that senility/youthfulness are in fact opposites, whereas wisdom/inexperience are not. We all know plenty of stupid old farts and preternaturally wise youngsters, I'm sure?
Not that this really changes your argument (OP's laundry list of attribute apposites is all slogan and no content, agreed) but you can come up with a better example :-)
R.
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