legal or not? How do we vote??? - DPChallenge Forums

Canon RF 24-70mm f/2.8 L IS

08/13/2008 10:17:11 PM · #1

Hi everyone... still a newbie here...

I entered the shot of the cityscape (Toronto) through the cardboard box with the white background... as I had just purchased photoshop, I was unaware of how to use it properly, so I did not edit the photo... it was a single shot taken with a big apparatus that I lugged down to a park and held infront of the view of the cityscape...

When entering it, I didn't know what to do for the title... I didn't think that people would believe that I took the photo on site and didn't jsut cheat and create it in photoshop... so i put "single shot, no editing"
I got some complaints about the title... When people vote, do they ASSUME that the photo is legal, or do they give LOW votes if they think the photo is illegal?

I was wondering if i recieved some low votes because people thought I faked the photo in photoshop...

Here is that pic...

I am asking because there have been some questions about my current entry and i was just wondering whether people give low votes if it looks fake, OR if they give a high vote if it looks good and trust that it will be DQ'd in the end if it turns out to be illegal...

i am not going to say anything about any of my current entries because we are in 'voting', but this was jsut a general concern of mine... i'd hate to get low scores from people jsut because they don't trust me... the cardboard box entry for example took quite a bit of work to set-up and i'd hate to think that people gave me like a 2 or a 3 because they think I faked it in photoshop...

help me out, thanks in advance for everyones helpful replies =)

kirbic

Canon EOS R5

08/13/2008 10:50:08 PM · #2

Folks are asked to vote assuming the shot is legal. If they suspect it is not, they should still vote as if it is, and ask for a review by the Site Council.

kyebosh

Canon EOS-20D

Canon EF 80-200mm f/2.8L

08/13/2008 10:54:00 PM · #3

I definitely would have not thought that was fake. Too bad that some people don't vote assuming it's legal as they should.

Sigma 18-300mm f3.5-6.3 DC Macro OS HSM

08/13/2008 10:54:25 PM · #4

I was assuming that was the case... i jsut hope that everyone follows those rules...

jhomrighaus

Nikon D5300

08/13/2008 10:56:16 PM · #5

Well first off I tend to give suspect entries a 5 unless they are really amazing. I don't think I pegged yours as a fake. As for what to do on your part, title the photo as you would like and in the comments describe your setup. For something like this I would recommend that in addition to maintaining your original unedited shot you might consider photographing your setup, Snap a shot or two after you take your shots(or before you start) showing the apparatus you built and if possible the position of the camera(ie leave the tripod in place till you are finished) even better if you have a P&S bring it along and use it for your setup snaps. I would include some wide angle shots that show your rig and your subject.

I think this serves in several ways, 1st you have the makings for a great how they do that if the shot is popular or at the least some great conversation shots for later, second this serves as a future reference of how yo did something. The last benefit is that if your shot is questioned you can produce your unedited original shot as well as shots of your setup to defend the unedited original. and shot up those that refuse to believe.

Wenders11

Canon EOS-40D

Canon EF 28-135mm f/3.5-5.6 IS USM

08/13/2008 10:56:55 PM · #6

I always vote as if it were legal. I figure if it's not legal it will get tossed out anyway and if it is legal then it deserves legitimate scores.

Tamron SP AF 17-50mm f/2.8 Di II LD Aspherical (IF) for Nikon

08/13/2008 11:03:52 PM · #7

good idea... i still have the setup for my current entry... i'll probably half-ass re assembly it the way it was just for reference on how it was done... But, yea, to be safe, i have submitted the iriginal raw (nef) file along with my entry just to be safe...

In my 'voting' i have seen some that I pinned as fakes and I was thinking of jsut giving them 5.. but then i decided to jsut not vote for their image... then it won't hurt them if they are real images...

BUT from now on, i will just assume that they are all real and vote accordingly... i have checked to see which images have been DQ'd and i trust the council to DQ any fake images...

so i just give them the vote assuming they are real and let the council sort it out...

kolasi

Nikon D300

08/13/2008 11:08:45 PM · #8

im not sure how people vote if they find it suspect, though i doubt by saying "single shot, no editing" will help in any way.
I think it strikes the voter in a bad way, reactions that could occur are ones where the voter thinks "what do you want? a medal?" or "Obviously its not, im not stupid"

Yo_Spiff

Olympus OM-D E-M5 Mark III

Olympus 12-100mm f/4.0 M.Zuiko ED IS PRO

08/13/2008 11:12:34 PM · #9

I did not think it was fake at all. The depth of field showed me that it was real. I think I made mention of that element in my comment during the challenge.

Tamron SP AF 17-50mm f/2.8 Di II LD Aspherical (IF) for Nikon

08/13/2008 11:18:54 PM · #10

yea... i regret putting that title on the photo (It was like my second challenge)

I have since entered other challenges that may be suspect to being fake... i didn't put any extra part on the title... i just assumed (and hoped) that people would trust me...

i know that the majority of people assume that the pics are real. but i know that there are some out there who don't..

levyj413

Apple iPhone 15 Pro Max

08/13/2008 11:33:08 PM · #11

Originally posted by jhomrighaus:

Well first off I tend to give suspect entries a 5 unless they are really amazing.

In other words, you don't follow the rules, which are extremely clear on this point:
"You may not ... give an entry a lower score because you believe it violates the Challenge Rules."

Canon EF 24-105mm f/4.0L IS

08/13/2008 11:35:36 PM · #12

i agree =)

Cuttooth

Canon EOS R

08/15/2008 06:10:36 AM · #13

when i voted on your shot, the title didnt play any part in respect to the score i gave.
i did think it was clever tho, gave it an 8

jhomrighaus

Nikon D5300

Sigma 18-300mm f3.5-6.3 DC Macro OS HSM

08/15/2008 07:39:08 AM · #14

Originally posted by levyj413:

Originally posted by jhomrighaus:
Well first off I tend to give suspect entries a 5 unless they are really amazing.

In other words, you don't follow the rules, which are extremely clear on this point:
"You may not ... give an entry a lower score because you believe it violates the Challenge Rules."

Not at all, I just tend to find most of them lousy and so I give them my average score. Its not that I see them and say "fake, automatic 5. If anything i think I scored them higher than I might have if it was not a fake because of this rule. As it is I think there have only been 2 or 3 I found questionable.

AmeedEl-Ghoul

Canon EOS-5D Mark II

Tamron SP AF 28-75mm f/2.8 XR Di for Canon

08/15/2008 08:32:39 AM · #15

I gave it 7, didn't think it was fake at all, the only thing I didn't like about this picture .. not sure hot to describe that, the white color seems to be a little bright to the mood, not sure if I am making my 'self' clear, but this is the only thing that has a chance to be improved.

tpbremer

Nikon D80

Nikon AF Zoom-Nikkor 18-135mm f/3.5- 5.6G ED DX

08/15/2008 09:49:12 AM · #16

I think your low scores came more from the overall execution... Also, because it wasn't edited, people may have voted lower by the lack of contrast and sharpening.

conceptually, you have a good idea, it just didn't match up with some of your competition.

david_c

Canon EOS-7D

Canon EF 17-40mm f/4.0L USM

08/15/2008 10:20:42 AM · #17

In your two highest-rated challenge entries, this Toronto shot as well as this one, you haven't even come close to using the full allotment of the filesize limit. In fact, your Lawn challenge entry was around 80kb, only a bit more than half the 150k you could have (and should have!) used. The resulting JPEG artifacts really detract from the final image.

You have a keen eye for concept...take some time to learn Photoshop. The DPC tutorial section has some brilliant articles that will really allow you to enhance your finished photos. Think of Photoshop as a Digital Darkroom, instead of "cheating", and you will have won half the battle.

08/18/2008 08:41:13 PM · #18

Cool, thanks, I have to spend some time learning more about photoshop...

OK... HELP ME HERE.... I have a mac... when I right click on my lawn entry, it says that the file saze is 148kb??? Am I reading it right? why do you see it as 80kb? help me out here... because my door entry was a lot of work, but it looks like CRAP bacause I had to down grade it to about 140kb... but according to you, when my computer said 148, you said it was only 80?

Maybe I need some help with this... If I am changing the image size, What is the BEST way to do it?

Should I make it the Max size? (so exactly 640 x other smaller dimension) or should i make it a bit smaller?

When I save as JPEG in CS3, i have to downgrade it obviously... now, on the slider, i slide it down, and it says like 145kb for example, BUT when I view teh file in Bridge (or just right click and "get info") it doesn't say 145kb, it says like 180kb... so I have to take it down to like 80 or 90 kb in CS3 to get it to end up at 145 kb... I don't know... HELP ME!!! =)

One thing that would help me, is if anyone can answer this... IF i try an enter a file under basic editing that is exactly 151kb, will the website accept it? OR will it auto reject it to prevent me from being later DQ'd??? because that is one way that I can check... Let me know about that...

Now, this whole post started with my current woody entry... But, i will bring that issue back up on wednesday after 'voting' is over, becasue I had a whole set-up for that one and put the time into editing it and the amount of low votes is kinda buggin me... but hey... that's the way it goes... i'm stil a newb so i'm still really irritated when someone gives me a low vote (I click that friggin' update button every 5 minutes so I know every time I get a vote below 6 because my score drops...) I know it's doin pretty good... but don't you hate it when you take a pic that you are sure is going to win a Ribbon and then it does MUCH worse? AGH!!! oh well... =)

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Canon EF 70-300mm f/4.5-5.6 DO IS USM

08/18/2008 08:49:09 PM · #19

ok... now I'm really confused... the file size on my door entry (accordint to Bridge) is 136kb.... BUT when I right click on the preview and save to desktop, itis only 76kb... does that mean that it is only 76kb? and that I can really increase the file size (and increase teh quality?)

I would love it if some oen would help me out with this so I can re-do my Door entry before tomorrow night...

(Read my previous post too... let me know aobut whether it will auto reject files that are bigger than the legal size...)

cpanaioti

Canon EOS-40D

08/18/2008 08:54:11 PM · #20

Why not just use save for web and optimize for file size?

08/18/2008 08:55:56 PM · #21

is that the way that everyone does it???

Am I doing it the stupid way?

Let me know...

SaraR

Sony Alpha a7R III

Sony FE 24-70mm f/2.8 GM

08/18/2008 09:01:48 PM · #22

Save for web is how I do it, too. And yes, the entries of yours that I checked are all well under the DPC limit. You can see for yourself by opening one, left clicking and checking properties. Compare the size to some of the photos on the front page to see the difference.

This one is only 36 kb!

Message edited by author 2008-08-18 21:04:49.

08/18/2008 09:04:39 PM · #23

AH HA!!!! it all makes Sense... I just re-did my door entry that way,,, it's soooo much better!!! and SOOOO much easier... hey... we learn from our mistakes...