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08/09/2008 07:08:25 PM · #51

Originally posted by AndyMac24:

I feel sorry for anyone who still calls themselves a Republican.

By the way, just because somebody says they are Republican doesn't necesarrily group them all into the same category. There is a pretty huge difference between a Reagan 'Republican' or a Goldwater 'Republican' and a George W Bush 'Republican'.

I wouldn't expect you to understand the complexity and subtle (sometimes not so subtle) differences between the politics of these different 'Republicans' but they do exist and make a great deal of difference to many people.

I for one...wanted Ron Paul to have our nomination.

Message edited by author 2008-08-09 19:11:08.

08/09/2008 07:13:36 PM · #52

I should have used "both" instead of "they". I know that Both parties follow party lines. That's why McCain can't be trusted. I've seen more positive from the left than the right. So for that I apologise. But the fact that you jump in and assume I don't pay any attention to what's going on after I have expressed my opinion (on an opinion thread) is dense. Given my opinion and your reaction to it i can only guess that you are a right-winger who can't stand to hear other peoples opinions that arn't your own. I said I was not a Dem or Rep, I never said anythig about being conservative or liberal. To be completely honest, both sides have some good ideas in different areas. I just hate when people jump down anyones throat for speaking their opinion. So to sum up......

I have an opinion, you have a different one. Which is totally allowed in this country. as much as some can't stand other point's of view.

Make sense, clearer now?

Originally posted by egamble:

Originally posted by AndyMac24:
You need to stop watching Fixed Noise, anyone who can look at McCain and trust a word he says is dense. Why do people talk about hope as if it a bad thing. Our country has fallen into shambles and people still trust the Republicans. I am neither a Dem Or Rep so I am not blinded by partisan crap. Once they get into office they follow party lines, and Republicans have done nothing but make the rich richer and the poor broke. I feel sorry for anyone who still calls themselves a Republican. How embarassing! So next time you want to accuse me of not paying attention, go pay attention to accual facts rather then spew your right wing, red state crap.

1.) You claim to NOT be partisan, yet you are so in the tank for Obama that you failed to realize that I never said anything positive about McCain in my last post. Nor did I say that I 'trusted' him.

2.) Hollow hope is a bad thing. Building up a false sense of hope without a real world way to achieve it is a bad thing. Talking up hope without a real plan IS A BAD THING. Hope needs to have an end game but it ALSO MUST HAVE A WAY TO ACHIEVE IT!!

3.) You think the Democrats don't follow party lines? Maybe you should pull your head out of Obama's arse and take a look at his voting record. He is the MOST LIBERAL Senator in the United States. He hasn't sided with the Republicans on any majaor issue and he has ABSOLUTELY NO RECORD of trying to cross party lines. He has said alot of pretty words and made alot of great speechs about crossing the aisle...but he has never put those words into action.

4.) The Democrats idea of 'stealing from the rich to give to the poor' isn't the American Way. Why should a rich person have to pay more taxes than me? Yes, social programs are a good idea in THEORY...but people take advantage way too much. There should be a 4-5 year minimum of social programs to get you on your feet..if you are in college or lose your job...after that we should cut you off and let you fend for yourself.

5.) Again, you claim no partisianship..then slam republicans. Not only odd..but it makes you a liar. Again, what red state, right winger crap have I been spewing? Besides the fact that Obama has no depth in his message....

08/09/2008 07:17:19 PM · #53

Ron Paul was the only decent person running under the Republican ticket. Does it make sense for one party to be so divided? It seems lateley the Republicans have seen some chaotic times. Isn't the percentage of "Republican" registerd voters down drastically from 4 years ago?

Originally posted by egamble:

Originally posted by AndyMac24:
I feel sorry for anyone who still calls themselves a Republican.

By the way, just because somebody says they are Republican doesn't necesarrily group them all into the same category. There is a pretty huge difference between a Reagan 'Republican' or a Goldwater 'Republican' and a George W Bush 'Republican'.

I wouldn't expect you to understand the complexity and subtle (sometimes not so subtle) differences between the politics of these different 'Republicans' but they do exist and make a great deal of difference to many people.

I for one...wanted Ron Paul to have our nomination.

08/09/2008 07:20:48 PM · #54

4.) The Democrats idea of 'stealing from the rich to give to the poor' isn't the American Way. Why should a rich person have to pay more taxes than me? Yes, social programs are a good idea in THEORY...but people take advantage way too much. There should be a 4-5 year minimum of social programs to get you on your feet..if you are in college or lose your job...after that we should cut you off and let you fend for yourself

This is a great example of how 2 sided black and white is not the way. I like the 4-5 year minimum idea. I have seen people leaving the DES (Dept of economic security) getting into nicer cars than me. That angers me greatly. The system needs to be changed. But not cut outright.

08/09/2008 07:25:45 PM · #55

Originally posted by AndyMac24:

I should have used "both" instead of "they". I know that Both parties follow party lines. That's why McCain can't be trusted.

Right, flawed logic.

You say:
A) McCain can't be trusted because he follows party lines.
Which means
B) Following party lines makes McCain untrustwrothy.
You also say
C) Both parties follow party lines
which means
D) Obama also cannot be trusted

You can't distrust McCain for following Party lines and use it as a legitimate reason if you are giving Obama a FREE PASS on the same issue. Understand? Clearer now?

Originally posted by AndyMac24:

I've seen more positive from the left than the right. So for that I apologise. But the fact that you jump in and assume I don't pay any attention to what's going on after I have expressed my opinion (on an opinion thread) is dense. .

You mean....like you did in the post before?

Originally posted by AndyMac24:

You have obviously not been paying any attention to the race. Here let me summarize....

Obama talks about issues,
McCain Talks about Obama.

Here look at the polls...
Here is what it looks like when you don't just assume that the popular vote wins.

I guess...this is where I say 'Pot...meet Kettle' :D

Originally posted by AndyMac24:

Given my opinion and your reaction to it i can only guess that you are a right-winger who can't stand to hear other peoples opinions that arn't your own.

Again, why did you jump in with your original post? I only responded after YOU jumped into a post meant to be funny (by someone else) with your left wing propaganda. After YOU said the person wasn't paying attention. Wow....you speak alot about people being 'dense'...maybe you are just projecting your own faults onto other people?

Make sense, clearer now?

P.S It is clear that, in this conversation, you are over your head. It is respectable to just bow out without making yourself look even sillier.

Message edited by author 2008-08-09 19:31:38.

08/09/2008 07:28:01 PM · #56

Originally posted by AndyMac24:

You are right. It is odd that a party is so divided. Remind me again...which Primary, Dem or Republican, ran into June?

Which party is still heavily split over who won the nomination?

Which party is still contemplating voting for the losing candidate at their convention in Denver even though she lost the primary battle?

Which party is still have trouble making Clinton and Obama play nice?

Which party recently had one of their major contender for the White House admit to cheating on his cancer ridden wife?

HINT; NOT THE REPUBLICANS.

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08/09/2008 07:30:26 PM · #57

Originally posted by AndyMac24:

This is a great example of how 2 sided black and white is not the way. I like the 4-5 year minimum idea. I have seen people leaving the DES (Dept of economic security) getting into nicer cars than me. That angers me greatly. The system needs to be changed. But not cut outright.

No kidding. When I was in college, I was on food stamps. I was driving a 10 year old plus car. This woman walks in Dressed like a Heiress. And she drives off in a BRAND NEW Nissan 350Z.

I was livid.

The first thing I did when I graduated was drop food stamps. Even before I could afford it.

Message edited by author 2008-08-09 19:32:20.

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08/09/2008 07:39:28 PM · #58

Originally posted by egamble:

Yes, social programs are a good idea in THEORY...but people take advantage way too much. There should be a 4-5 year minimum of social programs to get you on your feet..if you are in college or lose your job...after that we should cut you off and let you fend for yourself.

Two questions:

1) What would people do who have been "cut off"?

2) What would Jesus think of your policy?

08/09/2008 08:02:16 PM · #59

Originally posted by egamble:

Jib Jab pretty much hit the core of Obama's message and depth with their video.

They did the same with McCain too.

08/09/2008 08:02:16 PM · #60

triple damn

Message edited by author 2008-08-09 20:03:11.

08/09/2008 08:02:49 PM · #61

dbl post

08/09/2008 08:05:42 PM · #62

So, because of those examples, all of the people who really need food stamps should get cut off?

That's tossing the baby out with the bathwater.

Originally posted by egamble:

Originally posted by AndyMac24:

This is a great example of how 2 sided black and white is not the way. I like the 4-5 year minimum idea. I have seen people leaving the DES (Dept of economic security) getting into nicer cars than me. That angers me greatly. The system needs to be changed. But not cut outright.

No kidding. When I was in college, I was on food stamps. I was driving a 10 year old plus car. This woman walks in Dressed like a Heiress. And she drives off in a BRAND NEW Nissan 350Z.

I was livid.

The first thing I did when I graduated was drop food stamps. Even before I could afford it.

Message edited by author 2008-08-09 20:06:36.

08/09/2008 08:06:42 PM · #63

Which party lied us into an illegal war?

Which party is Bob Barr a possible spoiler for because half the members can't stand their man?

Which party had a senator caught in a airport bathroom?

This can go on and on. I register indi because the Dems are not angels either. I may be more liberal than conservative (I still agree with the right on gun issues, SOME tax and spending issues, and capital punishment) but I would rather keep open to all ideas. As for this thread... that's all I have to say about that.

Originally posted by egamble:

Originally posted by AndyMac24:
Ron Paul was the only decent person running under the Republican ticket. Does it make sense for one party to be so divided? It seems lateley the Republicans have seen some chaotic times. Isn't the percentage of "Republican" registerd voters down drastically from 4 years ago?

You are right. It is odd that a party is so divided. Remind me again...which Primary, Dem or Republican, ran into June?

Which party is still heavily split over who won the nomination?

Which party is still contemplating voting for the losing candidate at their convention in Denver even though she lost the primary battle?

Which party is still have trouble making Clinton and Obama play nice?

Which party recently had one of their major contender for the White House admit to cheating on his cancer ridden wife?

HINT; NOT THE REPUBLICANS.

Message edited by author 2008-08-09 20:11:17.

08/09/2008 08:12:21 PM · #64

Ok I lied about saying more....

Nail hit on head Spam!!!!!

Originally posted by Spazmo99:

So, because of those examples, all of the people who really need food stamps should get cut off?

That's tossing the baby out with the bathwater.

Originally posted by egamble:

Originally posted by AndyMac24:

This is a great example of how 2 sided black and white is not the way. I like the 4-5 year minimum idea. I have seen people leaving the DES (Dept of economic security) getting into nicer cars than me. That angers me greatly. The system needs to be changed. But not cut outright.

No kidding. When I was in college, I was on food stamps. I was driving a 10 year old plus car. This woman walks in Dressed like a Heiress. And she drives off in a BRAND NEW Nissan 350Z.

I was livid.

The first thing I did when I graduated was drop food stamps. Even before I could afford it.

08/09/2008 08:14:30 PM · #65

Originally posted by egamble:

Originally posted by AndyMac24:
I should have used "both" instead of "they". I know that Both parties follow party lines. That's why McCain can't be trusted.

Right, flawed logic.

You say:
A) McCain can't be trusted because he follows party lines.
Which means
B) Following party lines makes McCain untrustwrothy.
You also say
C) Both parties follow party lines
which means
D) Obama also cannot be trusted

You can't distrust McCain for following Party lines and use it as a legitimate reason if you are giving Obama a FREE PASS on the same issue. Understand? Clearer now?

Wrong.

Obama has cast himself as a Democrat who can lead the country generally following party lines. No hypocrisy there.

McCain has played up his image as a "Maverick" within the party, following nothing but his own conscience, willing to stand apart from the Republican Party on big issues. Yet, over the course of his campaign, he's adjusted his positions and fallen into place, toeing the party line. Big time hypocrisy. Which McCain will be president, "Maverick McCain" or "Republican lackey McCain" ?

08/09/2008 09:58:53 PM · #66

Originally posted by Sam94720:

Originally posted by egamble:
Yes, social programs are a good idea in THEORY...but people take advantage way too much. There should be a 4-5 year minimum of social programs to get you on your feet..if you are in college or lose your job...after that we should cut you off and let you fend for yourself.

Two questions:

1) What would people do who have been "cut off"?

2) What would Jesus think of your policy?

1.) They would either live or die..
2.) Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's. Render unto God that which is God's. If YOU feel that Jesus want's you to take care of people that take advantage of goodwill..then by all means..do so. But don't push your Jesus beliefs onto MINE or anybody's checkbook.

08/09/2008 10:01:03 PM · #67

Originally posted by Spazmo99:

So, because of those examples, all of the people who really need food stamps should get cut off?

No. Perhaps you should read my post?

If a person cannot live the life they are living with 4-5 years of Government assistance..then perhaps they need to change their quality of life. It isn't mine or anyone else's job to make sure that food gets put on the table.

If I choose to donate food or money..that is a different story. If the money is stolen from me from the government and then given to those that take advantage of the system..It is wrong.

08/09/2008 10:04:00 PM · #68

Originally posted by AndyMac24:

Which party lied us into an illegal war?

Are you trying to say the Republicans were the only ones that voted on the war? Maybe you should go back and look at exactly who voted on the authorization for Military Action. There are quite a few democrats on that list.

Originally posted by AndyMac24:

Which party is Bob Barr a possible spoiler for because half the members can't stand their man?

You're right. I guess NOBODY...not even a guy named Nader has ever done or ever will do that for the Democrats. Right?

Originally posted by AndyMac24:

Which party had a senator caught in a airport bathroom?

Better a Senator in a bathroom than a President in the White House. FTW.

Message edited by author 2008-08-09 22:04:19.

08/09/2008 10:10:32 PM · #69

Originally posted by egamble:

2.) Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's. Render unto God that which is God's. If YOU feel that Jesus want's you to take care of people that take advantage of goodwill..then by all means..do so. But don't push your Jesus beliefs onto MINE or anybody's checkbook.

Unfortunately, for you anyway, that's not the way society works. A modern society doesn't cast out to die, those who can't fend for themselves.

Perhaps you'd leave them out in the forest during winter to die, but thankfully others have compassion for the less fortunate.

08/09/2008 10:13:54 PM · #70

Originally posted by egamble:

Originally posted by Spazmo99:
So, because of those examples, all of the people who really need food stamps should get cut off?

No. Perhaps you should read my post?

If a person cannot live the life they are living with 4-5 years of Government assistance..then perhaps they need to change their quality of life. It isn't mine or anyone else's job to make sure that food gets put on the table.

If I choose to donate food or money..that is a different story. If the money is stolen from me from the government and then given to those that take advantage of the system..It is wrong.

And what about those who can't pull themselves out of poverty? The single mother who's husband is long gone, working full time at the best job she can get, making minimum wage and caring for her children. You'd just toss her and her kids out like rubbish to die so you can pad the balance on your savings account, maybe buy a new SUV?

Stolen money? Who's stealing? If you mean your taxes, it's not stealing, it's the price you pay for the society that makes your prosperity possible. You're free to find another society that will let you prosper for less and take your business there. You'll likely find that the US is a pretty good deal.

Message edited by author 2008-08-09 22:17:25.

08/09/2008 10:16:05 PM · #71

Originally posted by Spazmo99:

At least we have an option with McCain. We don't know Jack SH*@ about Obama. We just know that 'he doesn't look like those other Presidents' and that he likes to talk about Hope. Oh yeah, he is pretty good at Basketball and voting PRESENT instead of for or against major issues.

Which Obama are we going to have in the White House? We don't know..because he has never let us see him for who he is.

Who are his friends? We don't know.....'these aren't the people I knew back then'.
What are his positions? We don't know...'well, ya know..I didn't really mean I was against off-shore drilling...but LETS HOPE FOR A BETTER TOMMOROW'
What does he stand for? WE DONT KNOW

If you would pull your head out of the clouds. You will notice that I am not holding McCain up as some shining example of Democracy.(in fact, I have already said that I liked Ron Paul) I am simply challenging Obama...

Instead of dealing with the issues I bring up...YOU attack McCain.
Kind of like Obama...instead of talking about the issues...he reminds you that he is black.

Changing the subject seems to run in the blood of democrats.

08/09/2008 10:17:30 PM · #72

Originally posted by Spazmo99:

Again, you offer no justification for the government 'caring' for the people who prey on societies goodness. There is NO REASON to offer unlimited and unending support to people who can fend for themselves.

08/09/2008 10:19:29 PM · #73

Originally posted by egamble:

Originally posted by Spazmo99:

Wrong.

Obama has cast himself as a Democrat who can lead the country generally following party lines. No hypocrisy there.

McCain has played up his image as a "Maverick" within the party, following nothing but his own conscience, willing to stand apart from the Republican Party on big issues. Yet, over the course of his campaign, he's adjusted his positions and fallen into place, toeing the party line. Big time hypocrisy. Which McCain will be president, "Maverick McCain" or "Republican lackey McCain" ?

At least we have an option with McCain. We don't know Jack SH*@ about Obama. We just know that 'he doesn't look like those other Presidents' and that he likes to talk about Hope. Oh yeah, he is pretty good at Basketball and voting PRESENT instead of for or against major issues.

Which Obama are we going to have in the White House? We don't know..because he has never let us see him for who he is.

Who are his friends? We don't know.....'these aren't the people I knew back then'.
What are his positions? We don't know...'well, ya know..I didn't really mean I was against off-shore drilling...but LETS HOPE FOR A BETTER TOMMOROW'
What does he stand for? WE DONT KNOW

If you would pull your head out of the clouds. You will notice that I am not holding McCain up as some shining example of Democracy.(in fact, I have already said that I liked Ron Paul) I am simply challenging Obama...

Instead of dealing with the issues I bring up...YOU attack McCain.
Kind of like Obama...instead of talking about the issues...he reminds you that he is black.

Changing the subject seems to run in the blood of democrats.

Ron Paul? Don't make me laugh.

As for changing the subject, that's all you. I simply replied to your post directly.

08/09/2008 10:22:07 PM · #74

Originally posted by egamble:

Originally posted by Spazmo99:

Unfortunately, for you anyway, that's not the way society works. A modern society doesn't cast out to die, those who can't fend for themselves.

Perhaps you'd leave them out in the forest during winter to die, but thankfully others have compassion for the less fortunate.

Again, you offer no justification for the government 'caring' for the people who prey on societies goodness. There is NO REASON to offer unlimited and unending support to people who can fend for themselves.

How about the fact that they're people.

And if they can't? Then they get tossed out in the cold to die with their kids?

Who said the support was unlimited? Have you ever tried to live on the amount that food stamps provides? I suggest you try it.

Maybe when you grow up, you'll find compassion in your heart. I hope so, for your sake and those around you.

Message edited by author 2008-08-09 22:24:49.