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07/14/2008 04:32:06 PM · #126 |
Originally posted by vxpra:
I wonder how they got the hood of the General Lee so dang slick. |
Probably with a silicone spray ... we used it in the bindery to slide big stacks of paper around on the cutter. |
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07/14/2008 04:40:16 PM · #127 |
I know if I use too much fabric softener on my jeans they get this slick waxy feeling, not sure of they slide better though, I would kill a car of I tried to slide across it. ETA... and myself probably...
Message edited by author 2008-07-14 16:40:37. |
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07/14/2008 05:07:18 PM · #128 |
Originally posted by ZeppKash:
Ironic that this conversation is going on, as this morning I open my newspaper to see a story about a young man that is going to prison for a parole violation. They found two toy, orange barreled, plastic pellet guns at the residence he was staying at. WTF?
Sad, sad story here. |
one vote from mr. coperhaver that toy guns be banned from attics... |
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07/14/2008 05:59:29 PM · #129 |
 Toys in the attic. Toys...  |
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07/14/2008 11:04:30 PM · #130 |
I do not know what law you eventually will be adopted,
but there is common sense, which is that toy weapons - must differ from the present. Recall - kush big - as with the replica went to loot the bank. And when the police to edify toy 1 k1 pistol similar to this - and think he will not - riders bullet (well, if not in the arm in the head). A mother of this person will then govrit - what does all gady range, and her synochka was in the hands of just a toy ... |
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07/14/2008 11:07:07 PM · #131 |
Toy guns aren't just for boys. I had a toy gun and a couple of Super Soakers.
Man, my childhood was awesome. I got my Barbies and got my Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles too! A good half of my toy collection was guy stuff. |
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07/14/2008 11:48:58 PM · #132 |
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07/15/2008 01:56:24 AM · #133 |
Originally posted by tanky:
I do not know what law you eventually will be adopted,
but there is common sense, which is that toy weapons - must differ from the present. Recall - kush big - as with the replica went to loot the bank. And when the police to edify toy 1 k1 pistol similar to this - and think he will not - riders bullet (well, if not in the arm in the head). A mother of this person will then govrit - what does all gady range, and her synochka was in the hands of just a toy ... |
W...T.............?
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07/15/2008 02:09:21 AM · #134 |
I know that kids playing with guns will not make a kid become a killer when he grows up.
However, when children play with guns it usually involves 'killing' each other. I know, I never played imaginary skeet shooting when i had my toy guns. So, I do think it does in a way 'numbs' us to what violence really is. And as someone said before, it boils down to a greater issue as to why people should aspire to have guns in the first place. I dont see the reason why, but I guess many people, especially in the states believe it to be a coveted human right to posses one.
So, bottom line, they should not be banned, but maybe we should think of what is being taught (regardless if it is not being put into practice -the shooting of people i mean-).
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07/15/2008 02:42:39 AM · #135 |
Why not instead of banning Toy Guns because they look like the real thing, why not ban real guns, so whenever you see a gun you know its a toy?
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07/15/2008 02:46:05 AM · #136 |
Originally posted by noisemaker:
Why not instead of banning Toy Guns because they look like the real thing, why not ban real guns, so whenever you see a gun you know its a toy? |
Because it would not help.
When you see a gun, you still wouldn't know if it was a toy or not, only that your gun only shoots caps and not real bullets like the one pointed at your face. |
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07/15/2008 03:02:44 AM · #137 |
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Originally posted by noisemaker:
Why not instead of banning Toy Guns because they look like the real thing, why not ban real guns, so whenever you see a gun you know its a toy? |
Because it would not help.
When you see a gun, you still wouldn't know if it was a toy or not, only that your gun only shoots caps and not real bullets like the one pointed at your face. |
haha yeah i know, im just trying to be a smart ass! :)
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07/15/2008 04:29:35 AM · #138 |
Originally posted by noisemaker:
Why not instead of banning Toy Guns because they look like the real thing, why not ban real guns, so whenever you see a gun you know its a toy? |
I'd much prefer to ban violent criminals. |
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07/15/2008 05:38:01 AM · #139 |
Instead of banning toy guns, why don't we ban the police from killing innocent people that play with toy guns? Oh wait; we already have a ban on that. Oh well, I'm sure it will stop happening soon since we banned it. It's a good thing the police have to obey the laws too.
Whew, I'm glad we solved that problem.
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07/15/2008 07:07:48 AM · #140 |
Originally posted by Mick:
Instead of banning toy guns, why don't we ban the police from killing innocent people that play with toy guns? Oh wait; we already have a ban on that. Oh well, I'm sure it will stop happening soon since we banned it. It's a good thing the police have to obey the laws too.
Whew, I'm glad we solved that problem. |
Let's blame the police for shooting someone who points a realistic looking gun at them, that makes sense. It's easy to throw out a blanket statement condemning an entire group of individuals when your not the one in a situation where you think your life is in jeopardy. At times they have to make a split second decision that could mean the difference between going home to their spouse and kids that evening or heading to the morgue wearing toe tag. This is not a statement giving the police a free pass, every situation needs to be investigated and if there is wrong doing on the part of the police officer then he should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. I just think that implying that this whole situation is lawlessness by the police is a bit ridiculous.
Message edited by author 2008-07-15 07:08:28. |
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07/15/2008 10:39:03 AM · #141 |
Originally posted by trevytrev:
Let's blame the police for shooting someone who points a realistic looking gun at them |
About as much sense as blaming all the law abiding gun owners for gang crime. |
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07/15/2008 02:39:11 PM · #142 |
Originally posted by trevytrev:
Originally posted by Mick:
Instead of banning toy guns, why don't we ban the police from killing innocent people that play with toy guns? Oh wait; we already have a ban on that. Oh well, I'm sure it will stop happening soon since we banned it. It's a good thing the police have to obey the laws too.
Whew, I'm glad we solved that problem. |
Let's blame the police for shooting someone who points a realistic looking gun at them, that makes sense. It's easy to throw out a blanket statement condemning an entire group of individuals when your not the one in a situation where you think your life is in jeopardy. At times they have to make a split second decision that could mean the difference between going home to their spouse and kids that evening or heading to the morgue wearing toe tag. This is not a statement giving the police a free pass, every situation needs to be investigated and if there is wrong doing on the part of the police officer then he should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. I just think that implying that this whole situation is lawlessness by the police is a bit ridiculous. |
If a police officer kills someone that is not actively threatening the officer with serious bodily injury or death, then that officer may have committed a crime. Depending on the circumstances, the officer may have felt threatened; however, the officer should not shoot and kill anyone unless s/he is reasonably certain that that is the right thing to do at the time. Yes, taking the time to be sure could get the officer killed, but that’s part of the job. Police work is dangerous. I wouldn’t do it, even for good money. If I were a cop though, I would rather die myself than be responsible for killing an innocent child. When I was growing up, cops used to think that way. At least many of then did anyway. I'm not sure they do any more.
The point I’m trying to make is that I think the police nowadays are often too quick to shoot. In fact, some of them seem quite eager to use their weapons. Oddly enough, police are people too. They’re not perfect. They make mistakes just as often as any other group of humans do. Yet they are seldom, if ever, prosecuted successfully for breaking the law. Why is that? We had an incident on the news here in Portland a while back where police on foot were attempting to arrest a woman driving a car. When she tried to drive away, an officer jumped in front of her vehicle and immediately shot and killed her. Apparently, the officer “feared for his life” because the woman might have injured or killed him with her car. She wasn’t trying to kill the officer. She was trying to get away from him. He jumped in front of a moving vehicle. He shot and killed her because she was trying to get away. She died because she wasn’t “respecting his authoritah” as a police officer. He got away with it too.
By the way, I’m not against police officers. I have family and friends that are police officers. When I was growing up, my favorite uncle was a sheriff in southern California. I used to go to parties with him and his buddies. One of my best friends in high school joined the highway patrol. My niece is married to a cop. I’ve been around them all my life. I’ve met good ones and bad ones. They’re just people.
Perhaps instead of banning toys we should make sure that police officers are better trained to deal with kids carrying squirt guns. Heck, maybe we could even find a way for officers to protect themselves without killing people.
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07/15/2008 02:44:40 PM · #143 |
I agree completely with what Mick just said.
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07/15/2008 02:51:13 PM · #144 |
Originally posted by Mick:
Originally posted by trevytrev:
Originally posted by Mick:
Instead of banning toy guns, why don't we ban the police from killing innocent people that play with toy guns? Oh wait; we already have a ban on that. Oh well, I'm sure it will stop happening soon since we banned it. It's a good thing the police have to obey the laws too.
Whew, I'm glad we solved that problem. |
Let's blame the police for shooting someone who points a realistic looking gun at them, that makes sense. It's easy to throw out a blanket statement condemning an entire group of individuals when your not the one in a situation where you think your life is in jeopardy. At times they have to make a split second decision that could mean the difference between going home to their spouse and kids that evening or heading to the morgue wearing toe tag. This is not a statement giving the police a free pass, every situation needs to be investigated and if there is wrong doing on the part of the police officer then he should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. I just think that implying that this whole situation is lawlessness by the police is a bit ridiculous. |
If a police officer kills someone that is not actively threatening the officer with serious bodily injury or death, then that officer may have committed a crime. Depending on the circumstances, the officer may have felt threatened; however, the officer should not shoot and kill anyone unless s/he is reasonably certain that that is the right thing to do at the time. Yes, taking the time to be sure could get the officer killed, but that’s part of the job. Police work is dangerous. I wouldn’t do it, even for good money. If I were a cop though, I would rather die myself than be responsible for killing an innocent child. When I was growing up, cops used to think that way. At least many of then did anyway. I'm not sure they do any more.
The point I’m trying to make is that I think the police nowadays are often too quick to shoot. In fact, some of them seem quite eager to use their weapons. Oddly enough, police are people too. They’re not perfect. They make mistakes just as often as any other group of humans do. Yet they are seldom, if ever, prosecuted successfully for breaking the law. Why is that? We had an incident on the news here in Portland a while back where police on foot were attempting to arrest a woman driving a car. When she tried to drive away, an officer jumped in front of her vehicle and immediately shot and killed her. Apparently, the officer “feared for his life” because the woman might have injured or killed him with her car. She wasn’t trying to kill the officer. She was trying to get away from him. He jumped in front of a moving vehicle. He shot and killed her because she was trying to get away. She died because she wasn’t “respecting his authoritah” as a police officer. He got away with it too.
By the way, I’m not against police officers. I have family and friends that are police officers. When I was growing up, my favorite uncle was a sheriff in southern California. I used to go to parties with him and his buddies. One of my best friends in high school joined the highway patrol. My niece is married to a cop. I’ve been around them all my life. I’ve met good ones and bad ones. They’re just people.
Perhaps instead of banning toys we should make sure that police officers are better trained to deal with kids carrying squirt guns. Heck, maybe we could even find a way for officers to protect themselves without killing people. |
And when that squirt gun looks just like a real weapon? How do you propose dealing with that? Should the cop watch the "innocent" kid pull the trigger and wait to see if he gets wet or dead?
As for non-lethal means, all of the police officers I know would much rather taser/pepper spray or otherwise incapaciate a suspect rather than use lethal force. They aren't going to take an un-necessary risk that could mean they get a ride to the morgue in a bag to do so.
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07/15/2008 03:14:05 PM · #145 |
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
And when that squirt gun looks just like a real weapon? How do you propose dealing with that? Should the cop watch the "innocent" kid pull the trigger and wait to see if he gets wet or dead? |
So, do you think it's better that the cop kill an innocent child rather than take the risk of being shot himself?
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
As for non-lethal means, all of the police officers I know would much rather taser/pepper spray or otherwise incapaciate a suspect rather than use lethal force. They aren't going to take an un-necessary risk that could mean they get a ride to the morgue in a bag to do so. |
Yes, why should a cop take any risk? Some police cars may say "To protect and serve", but police are not required to risk their lives to protect anyone. But what if there's a better way? Shouldn't we try to find one? Maybe we haven't invented it yet, but humans are endlessly inventive creatures. I'm confident that we could find a way for officers to do their job safely without killing innocent children. However, we'll never find it if all we concentrate on is band-aid, knee-jerk solutions. Let's say we did ban toy guns. Is that going to solve the problem? Will that prevent cops from shooting kids with sticks or cell phones? Of course it won’t. So, why don't we do something that actually solves the problem?
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07/15/2008 03:57:40 PM · #146 |
Originally posted by Mick:
but police are not required to risk their lives to protect anyone. |
Hence why WE need our own firearms. No one is going to protect you but you. No one is going to protect my family but me.
I've called 911 for emergencies three times. Zero responses.
We had a convicted felon in my mom's 2nd floor apartment who was actively engaged in his crimes. And we could get the police, courts, or postal inspector to do anything about it.
I now know better. Courts, cops, and the like are useless. They are simply there to make stupid people believe they're safe. If you think you're safe thanks to these government agents: YOU = STUPID
Sorry....and I pray circumstances are kind enough to you that you never realize it or that you take action to ensure your own safety.
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07/15/2008 04:37:54 PM · #147 |
Originally posted by Mick:
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
And when that squirt gun looks just like a real weapon? How do you propose dealing with that? Should the cop watch the "innocent" kid pull the trigger and wait to see if he gets wet or dead? |
So, do you think it's better that the cop kill an innocent child rather than take the risk of being shot himself? |
Which do you think the cop's family would prefer? Do you really think the officer should take a bullet because the gun might be a toy? What if that dead officer were your uncle or your friend?
How much risk do you think police officers should take?
Originally posted by Mick:
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
As for non-lethal means, all of the police officers I know would much rather taser/pepper spray or otherwise incapaciate a suspect rather than use lethal force. They aren't going to take an un-necessary risk that could mean they get a ride to the morgue in a bag to do so. |
Yes, why should a cop take any risk? Some police cars may say "To protect and serve", but police are not required to risk their lives to protect anyone. But what if there's a better way? Shouldn't we try to find one? Maybe we haven't invented it yet, but humans are endlessly inventive creatures. I'm confident that we could find a way for officers to do their job safely without killing innocent children. However, we'll never find it if all we concentrate on is band-aid, knee-jerk solutions. Let's say we did ban toy guns. Is that going to solve the problem? Will that prevent cops from shooting kids with sticks or cell phones? Of course it won’t. So, why don't we do something that actually solves the problem? |
What makes you think people aren't trying? Do you think that just because we wish for a non-lethal, harmless means to deal with suspects that would make the sidearm obsolete it magically exists, but the police won't use it because they'd rather kill people?? |
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07/15/2008 06:22:18 PM · #148 |
Originally posted by theSaj:
Originally posted by Mick:
but police are not required to risk their lives to protect anyone. |
Hence why WE need our own firearms. No one is going to protect you but you. No one is going to protect my family but me.
I've called 911 for emergencies three times. Zero responses.
We had a convicted felon in my mom's 2nd floor apartment who was actively engaged in his crimes. And we could get the police, courts, or postal inspector to do anything about it.
I now know better. Courts, cops, and the like are useless. They are simply there to make stupid people believe they're safe. If you think you're safe thanks to these government agents: YOU = STUPID
Sorry....and I pray circumstances are kind enough to you that you never realize it or that you take action to ensure your own safety. |
If you directed this at me, then you're preaching to the choir. My parents started teaching me to shoot when I was eight or nine years old. I got my first rifle, a Ruger .22 semi-auto, for my fourteenth birthday. I currently own several rifles, shotguns, and pistols. I got a concealed weapon permit as soon as we moved from California to Oregon. I like my Glock 9mm.
We also started teaching our kids about guns and gun safety when they were very young. My son really enjoys shooting and has several guns of his own now. He also has a CCW pernit. He recently got a silencer (with permit) for his AR15. He and some of his friends come out to our place to shoot. Our daughter likes to shoot occasionally, but she hasn't bought any guns for herself yet.
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07/15/2008 11:36:40 PM · #149 |
Originally posted by Mick:
I like my Glock 9mm.
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I like my Glock too. Only mine is a .40
Message edited by author 2008-07-15 23:37:11. |
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07/16/2008 12:19:55 AM · #150 |
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Originally posted by Mick:
I like my Glock 9mm.
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I like my Glock too. Only mine is a .40 |
Glock is nice but S&W is better:) |
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Toys in the attic. Toys... 
