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03/28/2004 07:08:18 AM · #1 |
Hi
any one ever been in army ?
Reason i am asking is that, i was keen to be in army but could not because i am flat footed.
Now i am starting my business, i was keen to study what is popularly called Military Science, well i simply want to learn , what is taught to a cadet during training for an officer( not figting part i.e weapons etc ) .
Reason, well i believe army traing is best management training and if i could incorporate same approach in personal life and career , it will be great.
Any one who could guide me how i would be able to learn what they teach to cadets before being commisioned in army .
I know we have couple ex marines and army perssonel on this site, i will be really obliged if some could guide me in this field as i did search net , you have like zillion books written, but i don't which is right.
I will be really obliged
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03/28/2004 08:48:37 AM · #2 |
You already know about Sun Tzu and "The Art of War". Even after more than 2,000 years it is still the most applicable book on the matter. Many of the lessons in the book can also be applied to business.
Some hillbilly whittled one of the lessons down to, "whoever gets there the firstest with the mostest....WINS". That is Logistics and Planning, and it is the key to success for any military operation or business. Can you deliver your product? Can you deliver it where, when, how, etc....to the satisfaction of your customer.
P.S. There are no ex-Marines. The change is for life.
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03/28/2004 09:34:23 AM · #3 |
thanks for the input,
Well i was just browsing and i came across this line," Fix aim , first principal of war ", i am not saying i need to be army cadet to know something basic as that but just that always was fascinated by whole srmy set up thought might learn it in more organized manner
any ways thanks for input.
Still would like if any can contribute any more
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03/28/2004 09:38:03 AM · #4 |
Originally posted by scrum8:
P.S. There are no ex-Marines. The change is for life. |
Yes, it's a shame, but brain damage is irreversible. :^)
(Sorry, but such comments are mandatory from ex-Navy people.)
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03/28/2004 10:11:34 AM · #5 |
OK.. first of all, lets end the fantasticle imagination you have...
Officers, are not the best leaders nor are they trained to be good leaders. OCS is a joke and I highly suggest that maybe you look elsewhere.
Now, sticking with the Army thing. You may look at Primary Leadership Development Course (PLDC), Basic NonCommissioned Officer Course (BNCOC) or Advanced NonCommissioned Officer Course (ANCOC). This is the training they give for NCOs. An NCO is a NonCommissionedOfficer, a working man.. This is the kind of leadership training you will want.
This is the hands on working with the troops kind of thing, Where as any bloke and sit back and do nothing like officers. Only reason they get to be an officer is when they enlisted they had a degree... Monkeys have degrees.
There are several books and whatnot to read. Although it is a lot more than something you can read in a book.
There are several management therists out there that are much better reading than DOD books. Also, the act of 'living it' helps with NCO training. Basicly its not something you can read from a book and gain some great knowledge from.. It is the way you live with your troops, interact with your troops, dig, eat , sleep, breathe, party, live, die with your troops. It is a structure you maybe born with, or adapt into. But, not everyone has it.
The best suggestion I have is if you have the time take a course in Management. Or if you don't.. Try to atleast pic up a CollegeLevel Management Textbook... This book will lead you in other direction, and also help you narrow down what kind of Management you are looking for, and also give you Management theorys that you could try and see which ones work best for you.
Management is a tricky thing, Something that may work for one company will fail 100% for another. Finding out which Management style you need is your biggest battle.
Im not gonna go into anymore detail about this... Its a lot to type. Less ya want L()L.
Anyway, best thing to do would be look at different books of Management styles, theorys and whatnot. Military does have good leadership training, but like I said, its hard to understand the comeraodery that forms just by reading a DOD manual.
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03/28/2004 10:31:41 AM · #6 |
Originally posted by micknewton:
Originally posted by scrum8:
P.S. There are no ex-Marines. The change is for life. |
Yes, it's a shame, but brain damage is irreversible. :^)
(Sorry, but such comments are mandatory from ex-Navy people.) |
LOL! The same holds true for current Navy...
:)
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03/28/2004 11:27:50 AM · #7 |
Originally posted by littlegett:
OK.. first of all, lets end the fantasticle imagination you have...
Officers, are not the best leaders nor are they trained to be good leaders. OCS is a joke and I highly suggest that maybe you look elsewhere.
Now, sticking with the Army thing. You may look at Primary Leadership Development Course (PLDC), Basic NonCommissioned Officer Course (BNCOC) or Advanced NonCommissioned Officer Course (ANCOC). This is the training they give for NCOs. An NCO is a NonCommissionedOfficer, a working man.. This is the kind of leadership training you will want. |
Littlegett, were you in the Army? As an NCO perhaps? |
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03/28/2004 11:42:25 AM · #8 |
I heard General Colon Powel wrote a good book that may have some ideas in it for you. He put Military tactics to business pratices and in some of the "corporate training" i have had over the years many of the instructors have referenced his book.
Not sure if this is what you are looking for, but it may be a good source of pratical info.
James
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03/28/2004 11:55:17 AM · #9 |
To borrow a partial quote from the Army PR campaign combined with my own ...
Help your employees to be the best that they can be in ALL areas of life, and they will help you and your company be the best, and most successful that it can be. |
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03/28/2004 12:57:42 PM · #10 |
Originally posted by richterrell:
Originally posted by littlegett:
OK.. first of all, lets end the fantasticle imagination you have...
Officers, are not the best leaders nor are they trained to be good leaders. OCS is a joke and I highly suggest that maybe you look elsewhere.
Now, sticking with the Army thing. You may look at Primary Leadership Development Course (PLDC), Basic NonCommissioned Officer Course (BNCOC) or Advanced NonCommissioned Officer Course (ANCOC). This is the training they give for NCOs. An NCO is a NonCommissionedOfficer, a working man.. This is the kind of leadership training you will want. |
Littlegett, were you in the Army? As an NCO perhaps? |
You could say that.
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03/28/2004 02:42:28 PM · #11 |
| We say back home in Romania that who ever serves in the army is a MAN. Who ever doesn't serve in the army is a SMART MAN. I guess is the disavantage of being conscript. Served for the Socialistic Republic of Romania Army for a year and a half. Corporal scouts batallion. Happy that is was that short. |
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03/28/2004 03:47:12 PM · #12 |
Originally posted by micknewton:
Originally posted by scrum8:
P.S. There are no ex-Marines. The change is for life. |
Yes, it's a shame, but brain damage is irreversible. :^)
(Sorry, but such comments are mandatory from ex-Navy people.) |
Brain damage isn't so bad. It allows me to converse with Swabbies, whether they're Active duty or Recovering.
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03/28/2004 04:19:37 PM · #13 |
Originally posted by littlegett:
Originally posted by richterrell:
Originally posted by littlegett:
OK.. first of all, lets end the fantasticle imagination you have...
Officers, are not the best leaders nor are they trained to be good leaders. OCS is a joke and I highly suggest that maybe you look elsewhere.
Now, sticking with the Army thing. You may look at Primary Leadership Development Course (PLDC), Basic NonCommissioned Officer Course (BNCOC) or Advanced NonCommissioned Officer Course (ANCOC). This is the training they give for NCOs. An NCO is a NonCommissionedOfficer, a working man.. This is the kind of leadership training you will want. |
Littlegett, were you in the Army? As an NCO perhaps? |
You could say that. |
Message edited by author 2004-03-28 16:28:56. |
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03/29/2004 07:33:14 AM · #14 |
I did not have any specific reason for trying to study what cadets are taught, not to learn leadership quality or anything.
Simply speaking if some one asked me , hey you graduted in BA so what all subjects did you study , what books did you study.
i can tell them hey i studied economics , i studied micro economics, macro economics( it is just an example to make members understand what kind of information i am looking for)
So my question is, can some one tell me what all subjects are taught to a cadet, and where can i get these books
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03/29/2004 09:43:48 AM · #15 |
Most DOD books are not avalible to the general public. If you are lucky, Army Surpuss might have something, or garage/yard sells. Really scabby bookstores might, the kind that buy and sell used books.
What kind of books... well. Basic Marksmenship, First aid, Weapon Manuals, Survival guides, than you can identify with whatever job you have and do manuals for cooking, mechanincs, radio operation, chartography, interigation (Obsquire foriegn langage), Computer sciences, Visual Comunitcations, semstress, so on and so on.
But you could allso just go throw your self out of a perfectly good plane a few hundred times.. than you can tie a rope around your waste and do it again.
Thats not an insult. thats just Air Assult, and AirBorn.
Like i said.. there is nothing that is spectatuar or magical about the training or books they read. It is the atmosphere.
I have a degree in Business.... WHat did I study???
Business Law, Business Statistics, Finacials, Economics, Accounting, Marketing,ect. ect. That doesn't sound boring.. that sounds very well rounded.
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