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 05/14/2004 10:33:13 PM · #26
It's not.

Interchangable lenses have nothing to do with it. It's HOW the cam takes a pic that matters. Adrian's post is dead on right.

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 05/15/2004 02:07:04 AM · #27
Originally posted by glimpses:
is the Sony F828 male or female?


Depends on if it's broken or not.
 12/22/2004 03:59:32 PM · #28
The SONY's are NOT SLRs. The Olympus E-10 and E-20 are SLRs. (Actually, if I recall they used a slightly different but innovative method for the reflexing.)

However, the Olympus E-10/20 are both "fixed" lens. And therefore are described as "Pro-sumer" level.

As for those who are arguing whether SLR or Viewfinder is the best. Your point is moot. Within 10 yrs (if not 2006) you will see hybrids. Enhanced overlays of the LCD atop of SLR.

:)
 12/22/2004 04:04:59 PM · #29
Originally posted by theSaj:
The SONY's are NOT SLRs. The Olympus E-10 and E-20 are SLRs. (Actually, if I recall they used a slightly different but innovative method for the reflexing.)

However, the Olympus E-10/20 are both "fixed" lens. And therefore are described as "Pro-sumer" level.

As for those who are arguing whether SLR or Viewfinder is the best. Your point is moot. Within 10 yrs (if not 2006) you will see hybrids. Enhanced overlays of the LCD atop of SLR.

:)


I thought we had cleared this up! Fixed lens is nothing to do with wether its a SLR or not. SLR's can have fixed lens as well as interchangealbe.


12/22/2004 04:05:53 PM · #30
My understanding is that SLR simply means Single Lense Reflex, which describes the method of viewing your subject.

You are looking through the viewfinder and your view is reflected off of a mirror down the 'barrel' of the single lense in the camera. To put it another way.

SLR or DSLR does not mean that the main lense is interchangeable, it just so happens that most are in fact interchangeable and historically a camera called a DSLR or SLR has, for the most part, been a camera with an interchangeable lense.

In my opinion, if you are looking through the 'barrel' of the main lense via a reflection through a mirror when you are lining up your shots, then yes, the camera is a DSLR or SLR camera, whether or not it has an interchangeable lense.
 12/22/2004 04:34:30 PM · #31
Originally posted by cpanaioti:
Originally posted by glimpses:
is the Sony F828 male or female?

Depends on if it's broken or not.

No no, that defines wether it's a virgin or not :)
 12/22/2004 04:39:24 PM · #32
Back when I first got into photography I really wanted an SLR because all I had was a "rangefinder". Focus was hard because you were not seeing the same light path as the exposure. Going from my old rangefinder to my first SLR was a great experience.

I have had the Sony F505 and F717 cameras - they have been great, but going to the D70 was as big a jump as my first SLR - for exactly the same reason - I am seeing, optically, what I am getting. I can focus on a spider web with my D70 and except under good conditions, I didn't have a chance with any Sony I've every had.

For me, the connotation of "SLR", "D" or not, is that you are seeing, optically, what you are getting - and that has been worth it to me.
 12/22/2004 04:57:05 PM · #33
SLR stands for Single-lens reflex. That means there's one lens, and what you see throught the viewfinder is reflecting off a mirror. The F828 does not do this. Its sensor is exposed to the light at all times. The information gathered by it is displayed via EVF or LCD at a much lower resolution than the sensor is picking it up at.

A DSLR's sensor is exposed to light only while the picture is being taken. While composing, light is recieved through the lens, bounced off a mirror, and onto the prism. The prism bounces it into the viewfinder and into your eye.

It is true, EVF's will replace SLR's some day. SLR's take up more space and have moving parts, setting them at risk for mechanical malfunction. As soon as EVF's can legibly display the same resolution as the sensor can pick up, the SLR's will be outdated.
 12/22/2004 05:10:52 PM · #34
Originally posted by Plexxoid:
It is true, EVF's will replace SLR's some day. SLR's take up more space and have moving parts, setting them at risk for mechanical malfunction. As soon as EVF's can legibly display the same resolution as the sensor can pick up, the SLR's will be outdated.


I think that a lot of people are underestimating the size of the market whom prefer a direct optical relation from the eye to the subject.
An EVF is simply not what you really see and will never be able to show the full reality (especially including dynamic range and color reproduction). Personally I'd always prefer an optical viewfinder, I have yet to see the EVF that performs even better than the optical viewfinder of a Canon A60 (and that is a pretty lowgrade optical viewfinder).
Another small advantage of optical: You can still see trough, frame and manual focus with an optical viewfinder when the power of the camera is off. May sound silly, but I do it all the time.

12/22/2004 07:52:30 PM · #35
I don't understand why EVFs are an inherently better design than optical viewfinders. I don't think they'll ever replace the SLR viewfinder.
 12/22/2004 08:16:57 PM · #36
Originally posted by joebok:
Back when I first got into photography I really wanted an SLR because all I had was a "rangefinder". Focus was hard because you were not seeing the same light path as the exposure. Going from my old rangefinder to my first SLR was a great experience.

I have had the Sony F505 and F717 cameras - they have been great, but going to the D70 was as big a jump as my first SLR - for exactly the same reason - I am seeing, optically, what I am getting. I can focus on a spider web with my D70 and except under good conditions, I didn't have a chance with any Sony I've every had.

For me, the connotation of "SLR", "D" or not, is that you are seeing, optically, what you are getting - and that has been worth it to me.


I agree with Joe. I have had the same experience. The biggest issue for me in moving from and EVF viewer to and SLR viewer is the sharpness of focus in what I'm seeing. I could never use manual focus reliably with my EVF style camera. That and chip size are the two biggest advantages without including interchangeable lenses.
 12/22/2004 11:02:55 PM · #37
To say that EVFs will never replace optical viewfinders is being pretty narrow minded if you ask me (even if no one actually asked me...)

It doesn't seem that far fetched to think that at some point, resolution will be high enough to give you a crystal clear image and that color reproduction will be properly decoded.

Like Azrifel said, "I have yet to see the EVF that performs even better than the optical viewfinder of a Canon A60 (and that is a pretty lowgrade optical viewfinder).".
The important word here is "yet". ;)

10 years ago, who would've thought that you could watch ESPN in high definition...?


12/22/2004 11:12:10 PM · #38
5 years ago, you would have said, "I have yet to see a CCD that performs even better than a 35mm negative."

EVF's will improve. Just you wait and see. EVF's can do so many things that optical viewfinders don't.
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