differences between 40d and 5d? - DPChallenge Forums

06/21/2008 05:32:33 PM · #1

Are there huge differences between the two?

I am looking at upgrading and trying to decide which to buy.

also...what is a fair price for USED on either of them?

Message edited by author 2008-06-21 17:32:54.

dwterry

Canon EOS-1D Mark III

06/21/2008 05:35:18 PM · #2

I consider them to be hitting two completely different markets. Go for the 40D if you primarily need a sports shooter and secondarily a candid/portrait camera. Go for the 5D if you primarily need a portrait or landscape camera.

You can get the 40D for under $1000 now. And the 5D is jut shy of $2000.

ETA:
This isn't to say that the 40D can't be a portrait camera. Just that the 5D is even *better* at it. I don't consider the reverse to be true... I'd hate to use the 5D for sports.

Message edited by author 2008-06-21 17:36:40.

06/21/2008 05:37:31 PM · #3

Originally posted by dwterry:

so 5d would be better for weddings and other events?

kiwiness

Canon Canon 1d x Mark II

06/21/2008 05:45:59 PM · #4

The 5D is full frame, the 40D has a 1.6 focal length multiplier, I think that says it all.

hanneke

06/21/2008 05:48:58 PM · #5

kiwiness and I have the answer under our username

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06/21/2008 05:50:13 PM · #6

How much of a price drop will the 5D's probably get after the new ones roll out in a few months>?

kiwiness

Canon Canon 1d x Mark II

06/21/2008 05:52:46 PM · #7

Originally posted by biteme:

kiwiness and I have the answer under our username

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Ahh you too Hanneke? Kewl! You still got that old Hasselblad as well? (sorry, trying not to hijack the thread here).

hanneke

06/21/2008 05:54:47 PM · #8

Originally posted by kiwiness:

Originally posted by biteme:
kiwiness and I have the answer under our username

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Ahh you too Hanneke? Kewl! You still got that old Hasselblad as well? (sorry, trying not to hijack the thread here).

uhm, allready got it for like 1/2 year ;)

Still got the HB too :D Gonna work with it soon again!

TLL061

Canon EOS-5D Mark III

Olympus 12-40mm f/2.8 Pro

06/21/2008 05:55:51 PM · #9

depends on what you are looking for , The 5d is slower but is better in low light . the 40d has live view 5d does not, The 5d is a great camera but you can own 2 40ds at the same price

slickchik

OM System OM-1

06/21/2008 05:56:32 PM · #10

40D has a built-in flash but the 5D does not.

Message edited by author 2008-06-21 17:58:41.

06/21/2008 05:59:09 PM · #11

Originally posted by slickchik:

40D has a flash but the 5D does not.

I have an external...does the 5D have a hotshoe?

06/21/2008 05:59:51 PM · #12

btw...thanks for all the info guys...

kiwiness

Canon Canon 1d x Mark II

Canon EF 70-200mm f/2.8L IS USM

06/21/2008 06:01:03 PM · #13

Originally posted by slickchik:

40D has a built-in flash but the 5D does not.

Does anyone ever use built in flashes?

Mick

Canon EOS-5D

06/21/2008 06:01:13 PM · #14

If you really want to compare the two cameras in detail, check out these two pages and see for yourself...

Canon 5D vs Canon 40D

Olympus 12-40mm f/2.8 Pro

06/21/2008 06:48:11 PM · #15

Originally posted by Mick:

If you really want to compare the two cameras in detail, check out these two pages and see for yourself...

Canon 5D vs Canon 40D

THANKS! :)

slickchik

OM System OM-1

06/21/2008 07:09:45 PM · #16

Originally posted by kiwiness:

Originally posted by slickchik:
40D has a built-in flash but the 5D does not.

Does anyone ever use built in flashes?

That is not the question...he asked for the differences :)

Built in flashes stink.

Prof_Fate

06/21/2008 08:21:13 PM · #17

I own a couple of 40D's and used a 5D for awhile...

New you can get a 40D for $940 and a 5D for $1900 (so I hear). Used should be cheaper.

5D is FF - so you can't use EF-S or other 'digital' lenses and cheap lenses are not recommended as the edges of the images will show the lens' weakness. A 40D is a crop body- so it only uses the sweet spot of a lens, the center. This difference can be costly - teh EF-10-22 is a great lens for the 40D and is about $700. For the 5D you'll want the 16-35 L for about twice the price. The 17-40 will show weaknesses...

The 40D is much newer and faster to process, faster FPS, etc. If speed matters you want this body. It's also weather proof, better/faster to focus and I believe the batt will last longer. IQ is about the same as is noise at higher ISO's. It has as many if not more custom functions, Live View, Sensor Cleaning and you can control an external flash from the camera's menu system - and you can make a custom menu with your most used functions, a real time saver. You also get HTP - highlight tone priority - a life saver at a wedding with the white dress and all.

The real question IMO is, why would you want a 5D over a 40D? It's better with the 15mm fisheye and 70-200 lenses, the viewfinder being larger (mirror, etc) will be brighter and allow better manual focus. Not being a crop sensor means DOF will be 1 stop shallower at the same given F stop but it can be real tough to shoot at 1.2 or even 1.8 with a FF body.

DrAchoo

Panasonic Lumix DMC-LX5

Canon EF 24-105mm f/4.0L IS

06/21/2008 08:21:52 PM · #18

Originally posted by egamble:

How much of a price drop will the 5D's probably get after the new ones roll out in a few months>?

I'm anticipating very little price drop as the new camera is rumored to cost about $3,500. Almost a different market.

Prof_Fate

06/21/2008 08:21:56 PM · #19

Originally posted by slickchik:

Built in flashes stink.

Sniff sniff...mine smells fine.

kirbic

Canon EOS R5

Canon RF 24-70mm f/2.8 L IS

06/21/2008 08:54:14 PM · #20

Originally posted by Prof_Fate:

...The 40D is much newer and faster to process, faster FPS, etc. If speed matters you want this body. It's also weather proof, better/faster to focus and I believe the batt will last longer. IQ is about the same as is noise at higher ISO's. It has as many if not more custom functions, Live View, Sensor Cleaning and you can control an external flash from the camera's menu system - and you can make a custom menu with your most used functions, a real time saver. You also get HTP - highlight tone priority - a life saver at a wedding with the white dress and all.

40D is newer, yes. Faster frame rate, but not substantially faster to process. It may have a deeper buffer, but 5D response is pretty much instantaneous in review, whether the buffer is still clearing or not.
40D has *some* weather sealing, so it is a step above 5D in this regard, but it's not 1-series weatherproof either.
IQ is *not* about the same. 5D files require significantly less sharpening in post (acuity is better). This does come at somewhat greater risk of moire. High ISO noise is probably a wash between them, though the characteristics of the noise are somewhat different.
All in all, 5D, after 3 years on the market (come September), still holds it's own against the best of the best.
Like Jason, I don't anticipate much price drop on 5D bodies when MkII is released. There will be some drop in used prices as supply increases due to folks upgrading.

PhotoDave

Canon EF 70-200mm f/2.8L IS USM II

06/21/2008 09:19:52 PM · #21

Originally posted by egamble:

Originally posted by Mick:
If you really want to compare the two cameras in detail, check out these two pages and see for yourself...

Canon 5D vs Canon 40D

THANKS! :)

Or just put the two on the same page ;)

PhotoDave

Canon EF 70-200mm f/2.8L IS USM II

06/21/2008 09:32:12 PM · #22

Originally posted by Prof_Fate:

Um this is the only comment Im going to make on this but looking at a lot of the photos here that were taken with the 17-40 and on FF sensors what "weakness" are you referring to? IMO after looking at these what ever weakness that may be Im more than willing to put up with it ;)

and on the camera bodies, I absolutely LOVE my 40D but Im also currently looking at a used 5D, IMO both are awesome bodies it boils down to your budget and what you want out of it. For me it was the FPS but even thats a toss up for me as Im not shooting a lot that requires the high FPS and ATM its cheeper to rent a 40D than a 5D ;)

-dave

pineapple

Canon EOS-5D

Canon EF 50mm f/1.4 USM

06/21/2008 10:44:05 PM · #23

Can you afford good lenses?

The Canon EF-S 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 USM II you have will not work on the 5D. When I bought my 5D (which is what I use even though the camera under my pseudonym says 350XT), I sold my 28-135mm Canon lens and bought a 24-70mm f/2.8 Canon lens immediately. Mating the 5D with less than good glass is a travesty. I also sold off my $75 50mm Canon lens to get something better. Living in NYC as I do, I also rent good lenses from Adorama when I need them, the Canon 135mm f/2.0 and etc. I still use my 350XT from time to time for small vignette photos which are useful when compositing 16 x 20 posters etc. But it is the 5D which is my main camera and will be so until I can afford a full frame 22 mp Canon. Buying a 5D really commits you to buying a 580EX II flash, a 24-70mm f/2.8 and etc. So figure that into the budget.

ace flyman

06/21/2008 11:02:00 PM · #24

Below and I have my zoom lens on all the time is why I went with the 40D. (1.6 crop). I have a studio but really don't do any portrait work. (cost was cool). I think the bottom line between the two is what is the main type of photography you do. Been following all these 40D/5D threads and this is what it came down to for me.

Originally posted by dwterry: