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 06/09/2008 11:17:26 AM · #1
I really want to upgrade because I am moving into professional photography. I 'think' I am going to get the 40D for now and wait for the new 5D to be released and then bump up again. In order to get the best out of the 40D or 5D, I really should have good glass! So, I REALLY want to get the 24-105L and the 40D, but I don't think I can do both at once. So...is anyone out there using this lens in combination with the 350D? Can you direct me to some of your sample shots? Please! Thanks...help me make up my mind!!!
06/09/2008 11:25:22 AM · #2
DrAchoo used a 300D early on before upgrading to the 5D

This shot os his was made with the 300D and the 24-105L



So, get the glass now and the camera later.
 06/09/2008 11:37:46 AM · #3
I don't think you'll find much, if any difference in image quality between 350D and the 40D. The 40D just has more features and settings that allow you to take better photos.
 06/09/2008 12:23:44 PM · #4
Originally posted by scarbrd:
...This shot os his was made with the 300D and the 24-105L...


and bunch of dead bugs :P for the record LOL
 06/09/2008 12:32:12 PM · #5
I've always viewed the money spent on a body as wasted. The money spent on L-glass is invested. Personally I would go with the 350D and L-glass than a 40D and non-L-glass. Just my opinion though...
 06/09/2008 12:40:29 PM · #6
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
I've always viewed the money spent on a body as wasted. The money spent on L-glass is invested. Personally I would go with the 350D and L-glass than a 40D and non-L-glass. Just my opinion though...


Couldn't agree more.
 06/09/2008 12:44:39 PM · #7
I think most look like upgrading cameras are cheaper somewhat than upgrading glasses... and makes us feel better too in many ways.

Lenses are pretty darn expensive if you want to get good ones. I rather buy a camera with my 1200 bucks than a lens. If I had more money in my bank account though I probably would think different, and if that would be the case, I would have Mark 1Ds and better lenses :P
 06/09/2008 02:12:03 PM · #8
Originally posted by LoudDog:
I don't think you'll find much, if any difference in image quality between 350D and the 40D. The 40D just has more features and settings that allow you to take better photos.


I think the 40D provides better picture quality than the 350D...

The focus is quicker and more accurate...because of this, the lenses I have truly shine and perform at a higher level than with the 350D. This yields better image quality. The features and settings don't help me with better pictures...it is the focusing ability that allows the lenses to perform at the highest level.
 06/09/2008 02:21:02 PM · #9
Originally posted by slickchik:
Originally posted by LoudDog:
I don't think you'll find much, if any difference in image quality between 350D and the 40D. The 40D just has more features and settings that allow you to take better photos.


I think the 40D provides better picture quality than the 350D...

** Couldn't agree more. The image quality was one of the very first things I noted when I switched from the 350D to the 40D

The focus is quicker and more accurate...because of this, the lenses I have truly shine and perform at a higher level than with the 350D. This yields better image quality. The features and settings don't help me with better pictures...it is the focusing ability that allows the lenses to perform at the highest level.


** Ditto!

Thus far, those (I've spoken with) that have made that very leap (350D to 40D) have all had the same reaction to the image quality! That being WOW!!! Notice that all of the responses up to slickchik have been from non-40D photographers. :) IMHO...you would be very happy to upgrade to the 40D. I even like my kit lens again, lol!

Message edited by author 2008-06-09 14:29:40.
 06/09/2008 02:24:14 PM · #10
Just out of curiousity, why do you want the 24-105mm anyway? You already have the 24-70mm lens. Are you wanting the extra range?
 06/09/2008 02:39:30 PM · #11
I have the 350D and 24-105, and my biggest "wow moment" was using decent lighting... Not to throw in another factor. =)
 06/09/2008 03:00:13 PM · #12
Originally posted by bergiekat:

Thus far, those (I've spoken with) that have made that very leap (350D to 40D) have all had the same reaction to the image quality! That being WOW!!! Notice that all of the responses up to slickchik have been from non-40D photographers. :) IMHO...you would be very happy to upgrade to the 40D. I even like my kit lens again, lol!


While I like 40D, given the choice to shoot the 40 with the kit lens, or the 300D and prime L glass I would take the 300. I bet I would get fewer keeper shots, but the shots I did get would be of much better quality.

If you shoot news or sports, and the thing you are shooting will only happen once, and for a fraction of a second, then the body is paramount, but if you shoot landscapes, or still lifes where you can shoot over and over, then great glass with and OK body will make great shots.

That said, making L glass synonymous with quality glass is an error IMHO. Im a big fan of the tamron 28-75 XrDi and have heard good things about the tokina 100mm macro, as being lenses that fit in image qiality with the L line at a much lower price. If you have limitations on the money you can spend, then getting locked into the thought than any L lens will be much better than any non-L lens will drain your budget faster than a drug habit.
 06/09/2008 03:01:23 PM · #13
Thanks for the replies...it's helping, and I REALLY want the 40D for better quality images, better looking images! I shot a weddding this weekend and struggled with the 350D to get the shots I really wanted, but that is also with my old Tamron lens. Luckily, I only shadowing THE wedding photographer. I want the 24-105 because the 24-70 was a rented lens. I rented it a couple of different times. Most of the points you are making are exactly why I liked that lens, the pictures really were better IMO. Maybe, I can make the 24-105 work for now with the Rebel, sell my old bodies and then get the 40D by then end of the month.

If I could just talk hubby into selling that boat that has been in the water about 1x in 4 years!! lol
 06/09/2008 03:31:20 PM · #14
ditto on slickchick's comments.

I don't have the 450D, but the focusing on the 400D was hugely under par, especially in low light. the 40D is a breeze.
 06/09/2008 03:40:48 PM · #15
Image quality is always a function of the optics.

My killer glass has been with me through 3 bodies now and I am sure many more. Bodies come and go but great glass is forever...
 06/09/2008 03:47:00 PM · #16
Originally posted by LoudDog:
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
I've always viewed the money spent on a body as wasted. The money spent on L-glass is invested. Personally I would go with the 350D and L-glass than a 40D and non-L-glass. Just my opinion though...


Couldn't agree more.


Same here
 06/09/2008 04:01:30 PM · #17
I have a 400D and a Canon 70-200 F/4L. I love it! i also have the tamron 17-50, which is a great lens but when it comes to fast, quiet, accurate focusing the canon L is really what does it!!! Trust me, you will love the L glass. I used to think that I would get more out of a nicer camera but I have learned that with canon the glass is what does it. But then again if you are doing weddings, I would advise you get one of both. Find a used L glass and a used 40D and you would be well off.

Personally, I think that the glass is a little more important.
 06/09/2008 04:43:35 PM · #18
You know... in film it's easy... cheap body & great lens is far better as it's essentially a light box (ok metering & speed it can rip film are different). In digi... IMO anyway, they are not at that point. The body still makes a difference. Similar bodies as you mention are likely a wash unless you are in the area where features will be noticed (think MLU or spot meter or something) but I suspect the oldest digi (D30 or D60 or something) are nothing like the Mk3s in image quality with L's on the cheapie and chiepies on the MK3. Obviously better to have both if you can swing it :)
 06/09/2008 04:46:02 PM · #19
Originally posted by bergiekat:
Originally posted by slickchik:
Originally posted by LoudDog:
I don't think you'll find much, if any difference in image quality between 350D and the 40D. The 40D just has more features and settings that allow you to take better photos.


I think the 40D provides better picture quality than the 350D...

** Couldn't agree more. The image quality was one of the very first things I noted when I switched from the 350D to the 40D

The focus is quicker and more accurate...because of this, the lenses I have truly shine and perform at a higher level than with the 350D. This yields better image quality. The features and settings don't help me with better pictures...it is the focusing ability that allows the lenses to perform at the highest level.


** Ditto!

Thus far, those (I've spoken with) that have made that very leap (350D to 40D) have all had the same reaction to the image quality! That being WOW!!! Notice that all of the responses up to slickchik have been from non-40D photographers. :) IMHO...you would be very happy to upgrade to the 40D. I even like my kit lens again, lol!


Yes, the kit lens that came with my 40D is AMAZING!!! I LOVE IT!!!!

Edited because I typed in Kat's post LOLOL

Message edited by author 2008-06-09 16:47:30.
 06/09/2008 06:28:35 PM · #20
Just for grins...see this new thread.
 06/09/2008 06:28:46 PM · #21
I've used L glass on a D30, 10D and 1DMKII. In fact I still have the 70-200 4.0L that I bought when I was using the D30 and I still have the L glass I bought for the 10D. The only L glass I bought once I upgraded to the 1DMKII was the 17-40 4.0L. L glass will stay with you through a lot of bodies. But, I'm going to disagree a bit that a cheaper body will do just as good as a more expensive one. It really depends on what you use the camera for and what features you need. I upgraded to the 10D because that was the best body I could afford when it came out. I wanted it for better resolution, faster AF and more frames per second. I upgraded to the 1DMKII for better resolution, faster AF, more frames per second and higher ISO with less noise. I've not been dissapointed in any of the upgrades since I went digital with the D30. So yes, a cheaper body can do a lot of what the more expensive bodies can do... but the more expensive bodies can do a lot better in a lot of areas than the cheaper body can do.

Sometimes the equipment does make the photographer... especially when the equipment fills specific needs.

Mike
 06/09/2008 07:16:29 PM · #22
I'm still using a 300D and have one L lens (70-200 f/4)

Here are some samples.

06/09/2008 07:36:33 PM · #23
having not used the 40D I can't argue if it takes better photos then a 350xt. It has some great features so obviously if can do more, but will you miss the shot if you "just" have a 350xt? I doubt it. I've used a 300D, a 20D, and a 350xt and other then MP and features the difference in the results are not noticeable.

Note though, the difference between a quality pro lens like the 24-70 F2.8 and a consumer lens like the 28-135 IS is night and day. No comparison. After using the 17-40 F4L the 18-55 isn't any better then a low end point and shoot. I've used and have a lot of different lens, and having great lens makes all the difference in the world. Considering you add to your lens collection and replace bodies, my money goes to lens when I have it and body only when I need to replace it. No question.

Just my $.02

Edit to add, I'd love to see head to head the same photo taken with a 40D with the 28-135IS and the 350xt with the 24-70F2.8L. Anyone in the Seattle area with a 40D? I have the 350xt and both lens.

Message edited by author 2008-06-09 19:39:58.
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