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06/06/2008 02:51:53 PM · #126 |
Originally posted by yanko:
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
I know this is a bit late, but it is nice to see Lord Stanley's cup back in Hockeytown. |
Back in Hockeytown? The cup is going to spend most of it's time in Sweden. :P |
How so? |
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06/06/2008 03:03:40 PM · #127 |
it'll be spending most of its time in canada, actually...
8 Justin Abdelkader USA
11 Dan Cleary CAN
13 Pavel Datsyuk "A" RUS
20 Aaron Downey CAN
17 Dallas Drake CAN
33 Kris Draper "A" CAN
51 Valtteri Filppula FIN
93 Johan Franzen SWE
44 Mark Hartigan CAN
Darren Helm CAN
96 Tomas Holmstrom SWE
26 Jiri Hudler CZE
82 Tomas Kopecky SVK
18 Kirk Maltby CAN
25 Darren McCarty CAN
Mattias Ritola SWE
37 Mikael Samuelsson SWE
40 Henrik Zetterberg "A" SWE
24 Chris Chelios USA
52 Jonathan Ericsson SWE
Jakub Kindl CZE
55 Niklas Kronwall SWE
22 Brett Lebda USA
5 Nicklas Lidstrom "C" SWE
3 Andreas Lilja SWE
14 Derek Meech CAN
28 Brian Rafalski USA
23 Brad Stuart CAN
39 Dominik Hasek CZE
30 Chris Osgood CAN
11 Canucks
9 Swedes
4 Yanks
3 Czechoslovaks
1 Slovack
1 Finn
1 Russian
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06/06/2008 03:10:33 PM · #128 |
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06/06/2008 03:16:28 PM · #129 |
now, how do we keep our unofficial national anthem????
da da daht da dah, da da daht da dah, da da da da daaaaaah, da dda dah dah DA daaaaaah...
Hockey Night in Canada Theme may not be used any more...
even if you don't watch hockey, even if you hate it, if you're canadian, you know and love this song...
Message edited by author 2008-06-06 15:27:29.
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06/06/2008 03:19:34 PM · #130 |
It seems some people are making such a big deal about Lidstrom being the first European captain to win a Stanley Cup and while it's a little surprising it's taken this long for that to happen I don't think anybody can really dispute that the region producing the most of the high end talent these days is Europe and not Canada.
Message edited by author 2008-06-06 15:26:58.
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06/06/2008 03:41:08 PM · #131 |
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Originally posted by yanko:
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
I know this is a bit late, but it is nice to see Lord Stanley's cup back in Hockeytown. |
Back in Hockeytown? The cup is going to spend most of it's time in Sweden. :P |
How so? |
I was referring to the fact that there are so many Swedes on the team and Europeans in general so they'll be taking it overseas when it's their turn to have the cup.
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06/06/2008 03:48:19 PM · #132 |
Originally posted by yanko:
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Originally posted by yanko:
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
I know this is a bit late, but it is nice to see Lord Stanley's cup back in Hockeytown. |
Back in Hockeytown? The cup is going to spend most of it's time in Sweden. :P |
How so? |
I was referring to the fact that there are so many Swedes on the team and Europeans in general so they'll be taking it overseas when it's their turn to have the cup. |
They each get 1 day. |
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06/06/2008 03:52:22 PM · #133 |
so, it'll be half in north america, half in europe, and a whole lot in transit...
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06/06/2008 03:57:27 PM · #134 |
Originally posted by yanko:
It seems some people are making such a big deal about Lidstrom being the first European captain to win a Stanley Cup and while it's a little surprising it's taken this long for that to happen I don't think anybody can really dispute that the region producing the most of the high end talent these days is Europe and not Canada. |
Really now... People like Crosby, the Stahl brothers, a certain goalie by the name of Fleury, would be considered what ... the dredges of the NHL.
If indeed what you suggest is true, how do you explain that the Canadian teams have won the Junior World Championship so many times in recent history. I would love to dole out some statistics on the matter, but unfortunately I am at work and do not have access to such information.
When one considers the size of Canada, I do believe that statistically we still continue to outshine other nations when it comes to producing quality hockey players.
Ray |
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06/06/2008 04:25:12 PM · #135 |
Originally posted by RayEthier:
Originally posted by yanko:
It seems some people are making such a big deal about Lidstrom being the first European captain to win a Stanley Cup and while it's a little surprising it's taken this long for that to happen I don't think anybody can really dispute that the region producing the most of the high end talent these days is Europe and not Canada. |
Really now... People like Crosby, the Stahl brothers, a certain goalie by the name of Fleury, would be considered what ... the dredges of the NHL.
If indeed what you suggest is true, how do you explain that the Canadian teams have won the Junior World Championship so many times in recent history. I would love to dole out some statistics on the matter, but unfortunately I am at work and do not have access to such information.
When one considers the size of Canada, I do believe that statistically we still continue to outshine other nations when it comes to producing quality hockey players.
Ray |
Well the World Championships (not juniors) has been won by a team overseas 8 out of the last 11 years including this year. The Czech Republic alone has won it more times than Canada during that stretch. The top goal scorer in the regular season was Ovechkin. The top five goal scorers in these playoffs Zetterberg, Franzen, Hossa, Datsyuk and Malkin (and that's even with his Cup flop). Granted Crosby was tied for first in points in the playoffs with Zetterberg and right behind those two was Hossa, Datsyuk and Malkin again. I don't think anybody can disagree that the best defensemen in the playoffs and in the regular season was Lidstrom and the best defensive forward Zetterberg. The best hitter Kronwall. Canada's best high end talent these days is in goal it seems with Luongo, Brodeur and the new kid Fleury so maybe I'll concede that Canada owns that position? ;)
Oh and btw, the Norris, Art Ross, Hart, Rocket Richard, Selke and the Conn Smythe Trophies (i.e. all the high skill trophies with the exception of the Vezina) will most likely go to Europeans. In fact I'm pretty sure of that without even looking at the nominees.
Message edited by author 2008-06-06 16:45:44.
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06/06/2008 04:31:57 PM · #136 |
Originally posted by yanko:
It seems some people are making such a big deal about Lidstrom being the first European captain to win a Stanley Cup and while it's a little surprising it's taken this long for that to happen I don't think anybody can really dispute that the region producing the most of the high end talent these days is Europe and not Canada. |
I do agree the European captain nonsense has been overplayed. As far as talent goes, while I personally do not care where a player was born (if he plays hockey, he is a hockey player - that's as deep as I consider the issue), I looked up some stats out of curiosity and it seems arguments can be made in many directions.
Chart of NHL Player Origins
But who cares about that?? As a season ticket holder, I'd like to point out that the Wings won the cup, have no salary cap issues, no major free agents to worry about signing and are in a great position to repeat!! This is, after all, a thread about the WINGS, right??!! |
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06/06/2008 04:39:37 PM · #137 |
Originally posted by Patents4u:
But who cares about that?? As a season ticket holder, I'd like to point out that the Wings won the cup, have no salary cap issues, no major free agents to worry about signing and are in a great position to repeat!! This is, after all, a thread about the WINGS, right??!! |
I agree. Plus they have yet another low round draft pick from Sweden that probably will become a star real soon in Jonathan Ericsson. With all the talk about the Lakers GM this year nobody really can compare to what Ken Holland has done in Detroit over a decade with no high round draft picks to work with.
Message edited by author 2008-06-06 16:41:24.
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06/06/2008 05:02:31 PM · #138 |
Originally posted by Patents4u:
...As a season ticket holder, I'd like to point out that the Wings won the cup... |
And as a person lacking season tickets I'd like to point out that I need a new season ticket holder friend :P |
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06/06/2008 08:27:46 PM · #139 |
The Red Wings are a very international team, no disputing that. However, home base during the hockey season is the Detroit metro area for team members.
Jeanne
Proud to be Red Wing fan and former Michigander (former in location only, always in heart matters).
Originally posted by xianart:
it'll be spending most of its time in canada, actually...
8 Justin Abdelkader USA
11 Dan Cleary CAN
13 Pavel Datsyuk "A" RUS
20 Aaron Downey CAN
17 Dallas Drake CAN
33 Kris Draper "A" CAN
51 Valtteri Filppula FIN
93 Johan Franzen SWE
44 Mark Hartigan CAN
Darren Helm CAN
96 Tomas Holmstrom SWE
26 Jiri Hudler CZE
82 Tomas Kopecky SVK
18 Kirk Maltby CAN
25 Darren McCarty CAN
Mattias Ritola SWE
37 Mikael Samuelsson SWE
40 Henrik Zetterberg "A" SWE
24 Chris Chelios USA
52 Jonathan Ericsson SWE
Jakub Kindl CZE
55 Niklas Kronwall SWE
22 Brett Lebda USA
5 Nicklas Lidstrom "C" SWE
3 Andreas Lilja SWE
14 Derek Meech CAN
28 Brian Rafalski USA
23 Brad Stuart CAN
39 Dominik Hasek CZE
30 Chris Osgood CAN
11 Canucks
9 Swedes
4 Yanks
3 Czechoslovaks
1 Slovack
1 Finn
1 Russian |
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06/06/2008 10:39:43 PM · #140 |
Originally posted by yanko:
...Well the World Championships (not juniors) has been won by a team overseas 8 out of the last 11 years including this year. The Czech Republic alone has won it more times than Canada during that stretch. |
I will grant you that, but you made specific reference to new talent, hence my reference to the juniors which is where young talent normally emanates from.
Ray |
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06/06/2008 11:31:12 PM · #141 |
Originally posted by bergiekat:
Pro basketball has never been a fave of mine...they travel, they cheat and it's a squeaky, boring game, lol! |
College basketball on the other hand is an art form... Go Green, Go White. |
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06/06/2008 11:41:39 PM · #142 |
Originally posted by JMart:
Originally posted by Patents4u:
...As a season ticket holder, I'd like to point out that the Wings won the cup... |
And as a person lacking season tickets I'd like to point out that I need a new season ticket holder friend :P |
You're too late!! Although, I can give you a good deal on my tickets to game 7 of the Finals... |
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