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05/31/2008 04:49:33 PM · #51 |
This is an awful lot of fuss over the comment of one person who (gasp) did not recognize a white box on a wall as a video surveillance camera...
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05/31/2008 04:52:31 PM · #52 |
Apparently, despite being classed as "Rotary Wing Aircraft," helicopters do not have wings on DPC... |
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05/31/2008 05:13:20 PM · #53 |
| Was it Scarlett??? I bet it was... |
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05/31/2008 05:14:07 PM · #54 |
Originally posted by option:
Apparently, despite being classed as "Rotary Wing Aircraft," helicopters do not have wings on DPC... |
Wow! That's a great shot.
ETA - Just noticed that this was entered in the "Wings" challenge? Still a pretty good score considering.
Message edited by author 2008-05-31 17:16:53. |
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05/31/2008 05:19:33 PM · #55 |
Personally, if a voter failed to recognize a surveillance camera and voted accordingly, I'd have to say that the photographer did not convey the message he/she intended.
IMNSHO this is not a terrific shot composition or quality-wise, and not everyone would recognize the unit(s) if they weren't something of a tech-head.
I've seen a lot of video cameras, but truth be told, I've not seen a configuration exactly like this.
Looks really overkill.
BTW, I thought this thread's title was going to be more about the ppeople who leave comments like one I recently got on an entry that the commenter said that my image was over-sharpened.
Which was pretty funny when you consider that I went the exact opposite way, and pretty hard, too.
I hate it when I get comments that spell out faults with editing steps......that I did NOT do!
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05/31/2008 05:24:28 PM · #56 |
Just reading his comments, it was only one who didnt recognise it really, others thought it was an interesting take on the subject.. however, as another user here commented, it really aint that great a photo.. which is why it scored low.. I would of given it a 5 in voting, so really, it was slightly above what I predicted..
and 3 voters gave it a 9, and a 9 voters gave it an eight, which is a tremendous score..
Message edited by author 2008-05-31 17:24:48. |
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05/31/2008 05:30:33 PM · #57 |
Slippers in the footwear challenge, my second entry.
I assumed that, since they were in a footwear challenge, everyone would know they were footwear without me making it obvious. I mean, why would they be in that challenge otherwise?? I didn't know yet about shoehorns, OOB thinking, or full-out ignoring the challenge description.
So it bombed, mainly because I failed to convey something to the voters that was important. And I learned not to assume that because I see something in a photo everyone else will, too.
Your comment on this entry says, "Title is a bit bizarre..." Did you search to find out why it was appropriate? If not, don't get upset when someone doesn't do the same for your entries.
Message edited by author 2008-05-31 17:40:00. |
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05/31/2008 05:53:30 PM · #58 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
Personally, if a voter failed to recognize a surveillance camera and voted accordingly, I'd have to say that the photographer did not convey the message he/she intended.
IMNSHO this is not a terrific shot composition or quality-wise, and not everyone would recognize the unit(s) if they weren't something of a tech-head.
I've seen a lot of video cameras, but truth be told, I've not seen a configuration exactly like this.
Looks really overkill.
BTW, I thought this thread's title was going to be more about the ppeople who leave comments like one I recently got on an entry that the commenter said that my image was over-sharpened.
Which was pretty funny when you consider that I went the exact opposite way, and pretty hard, too.
I hate it when I get comments that spell out faults with editing steps......that I did NOT do! |
So let me get this straight. You're saying it's the photographer's fault for the voter not understanding that the security camera is indeed a camera. So I take it you're also blaming yourself (i.e. the photographer) for the voter not understanding that your photo wasn't oversharpened? I would assume so based on your logic. :)
Message edited by author 2008-05-31 17:55:11. |
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05/31/2008 06:05:34 PM · #59 |
Good gracious! I am not a tech head; as well I have lived in the boonies the last 20 years with my head stuck in the sand, but I recognized the video camera as a camera. As well, it was an interestingly composed picture.
Gertrude Stein repeats herself: a camera is a camera is a camera.
OH, and I really liked the phrase "correct camera" awhile back. (I have been trying to convey the message that all 2 of my cameras are correct cameras, but the voters don't always agree).
The question was should the OP dumb down (or up?) his titles? We said no. (Me and Gertrude anyway). |
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05/31/2008 06:32:05 PM · #60 |
If one voter doesn't get it, that's his fault. If the majority don't, that's the photographer's fault.
(but what do I know? :) ) |
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05/31/2008 06:37:19 PM · #61 |
Originally posted by BeeCee:
Slippers in the footwear challenge, my second entry.
I assumed that, since they were in a footwear challenge, everyone would know they were footwear without me making it obvious. I mean, why would they be in that challenge otherwise?? I didn't know yet about shoehorns, OOB thinking, or full-out ignoring the challenge description.
So it bombed, mainly because I failed to convey something to the voters that was important. And I learned not to assume that because I see something in a photo everyone else will, too.
Your comment on this entry says, "Title is a bit bizarre..." Did you search to find out why it was appropriate? If not, don't get upset when someone doesn't do the same for your entries. |
I agree and apologise, the title was so abstract to me that I didn't bother looking it up, now I have I realised that I should have done at the time I will do this on all titles I don't understand. At least I didn't say it wasn't a horse!
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05/31/2008 07:17:42 PM · #62 |
Originally posted by BeeCee:
If one voter doesn't get it, that's his fault. If the majority don't, that's the photographer's fault.
(but what do I know? :) ) |
You mean the same majority that thought an actual Ansel Adams' photo was only 11th best in the Ansel Adams challenge? He couldn't even get a freak'n star in his own challenge. :P
Message edited by author 2008-05-31 19:19:20. |
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05/31/2008 08:06:12 PM · #63 |
Originally posted by yanko:
Originally posted by BeeCee:
If one voter doesn't get it, that's his fault. If the majority don't, that's the photographer's fault.
(but what do I know? :) ) |
You mean the same majority that thought an actual Ansel Adams' photo was only 11th best in the Ansel Adams challenge? He couldn't even get a freak'n star in his own challenge. :P |
Cuz they didn't enter his best? :P
Ack... I quoted Yanko... damn, I'm supposed to wait until someone says the same thing before I quote... ;) |
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05/31/2008 08:10:07 PM · #64 |
| Btw, I do pretty much agree with the OP. If you don't know about something in a shot but the title gives an easy way to find out, either take a moment to find out or confine your comments to what you DO know. |
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05/31/2008 08:12:46 PM · #65 |
Originally posted by BeeCee:
Btw, I do pretty much agree with the OP. If you don't know about something in a shot but the title gives an easy way to find out, either take a moment to find out or confine your comments to what you DO know. |
Who decides what I know, you... or me?
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05/31/2008 08:18:00 PM · #66 |
Okay, I agree with the first half :P
I was replying from memory, forgot that he said "who doesn't know what a CCTV/security camera looks like?")
Sometimes you KNOW you don't know what you're looking at. If you don't, is it too hard to think that maybe, just maybe you're missing something?
Message edited by author 2008-05-31 20:19:20. |
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05/31/2008 08:23:31 PM · #67 |
Originally posted by BeeCee:
Btw, I do pretty much agree with the OP. If you don't know about something in a shot but the title gives an easy way to find out, either take a moment to find out or confine your comments to what you DO know. |
...and searching on the title "Who's Watching the Watchers..?" would help how???
I still say that most people anticipated a camera "camera"...twist the words how you want - yes, a video camera IS a camera in the absolute definition (and we all know how the challenge description is often overlooked). However, most people IMO were looking for a film/digital camera that ordinary people use to create photos with. Not saying that's right or wrong, just an expectation. For some (I say many), a video surveillance didn't seem like a "camera".
Doing a search on the title of this entry would not assist in discovering what the subject of the photo was, and even it it did, I could see some saying "psssh...that's not a 'camera'". :-) |
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05/31/2008 10:48:31 PM · #68 |
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Originally posted by BeeCee:
Btw, I do pretty much agree with the OP. If you don't know about something in a shot but the title gives an easy way to find out, either take a moment to find out or confine your comments to what you DO know. |
...and searching on the title "Who's Watching the Watchers..?" would help how???
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My bad, I didn't look at the title, I just took his word for it that "I have put what it is in the title, if you are unsure people, google it" means that he gave easily searchable info. I guess I illustrate my own point pretty well, eh? "If you're not sure, check it out if you can" :) |
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06/01/2008 09:34:01 AM · #69 |
Originally posted by BeeCee:
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Originally posted by BeeCee:
Btw, I do pretty much agree with the OP. If you don't know about something in a shot but the title gives an easy way to find out, either take a moment to find out or confine your comments to what you DO know. |
...and searching on the title "Who's Watching the Watchers..?" would help how???
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My bad, I didn't look at the title, I just took his word for it that "I have put what it is in the title, if you are unsure people, google it" means that he gave easily searchable info. I guess I illustrate my own point pretty well, eh? "If you're not sure, check it out if you can" :) |
Please actually read the post, I was talking about the boats challenge. |
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06/01/2008 09:36:03 AM · #70 |
Originally posted by yanko:
Originally posted by BeeCee:
If one voter doesn't get it, that's his fault. If the majority don't, that's the photographer's fault.
(but what do I know? :) ) |
You mean the same majority that thought an actual Ansel Adams' photo was only 11th best in the Ansel Adams challenge? He couldn't even get a freak'n star in his own challenge. :P |
Now that's funny! |
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06/01/2008 09:40:22 AM · #71 |
Originally posted by yanko:
Originally posted by BeeCee:
If one voter doesn't get it, that's his fault. If the majority don't, that's the photographer's fault.
(but what do I know? :) ) |
You mean the same majority that thought an actual Ansel Adams' photo was only 11th best in the Ansel Adams challenge? He couldn't even get a freak'n star in his own challenge. :P |
Actually Ansel did pretty well in his own challenge, when you consider we selected an atypical image (architecture, not landscape) and it was a not a very good reproduction to boot :-)
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06/01/2008 09:41:22 AM · #72 |
Originally posted by glad2badad:
I still say that most people anticipated a camera "camera"...twist the words how you want - yes, a video camera IS a camera in the absolute definition (and we all know how the challenge description is often overlooked). However, most people IMO were looking for a film/digital camera that ordinary people use to create photos with. Not saying that's right or wrong, just an expectation. For some (I say many), a video surveillance didn't seem like a "camera". |
That's not even a noun? :-P
To be honest, I knew there would be loads of old camera and DSLR shots, the only reason I went for a video camera is because the challenge description emphasised it (to me anyway). |
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06/01/2008 09:44:14 AM · #73 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by yanko:
Originally posted by BeeCee:
If one voter doesn't get it, that's his fault. If the majority don't, that's the photographer's fault.
(but what do I know? :) ) |
You mean the same majority that thought an actual Ansel Adams' photo was only 11th best in the Ansel Adams challenge? He couldn't even get a freak'n star in his own challenge. :P |
Actually Ansel did pretty well in his own challenge, when you consider we selected an atypical image (architecture, not landscape) and it was a not a very good reproduction to boot :-)
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Have you seen the Cartier Bresson shot on Flickr, even funnier!
//www.flickr.com/photos/andrerabelo/70458366 |
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06/01/2008 09:52:40 AM · #74 |
Originally posted by rob_smith:
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by yanko:
Originally posted by BeeCee:
If one voter doesn't get it, that's his fault. If the majority don't, that's the photographer's fault.
(but what do I know? :) ) |
You mean the same majority that thought an actual Ansel Adams' photo was only 11th best in the Ansel Adams challenge? He couldn't even get a freak'n star in his own challenge. :P |
Actually Ansel did pretty well in his own challenge, when you consider we selected an atypical image (architecture, not landscape) and it was a not a very good reproduction to boot :-)
R. |
Have you seen the Cartier Bresson shot on Flickr, even funnier!
//www.flickr.com/photos/andrerabelo/70458366 |
fixed link. And yes it's very funny.
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06/01/2008 10:32:10 AM · #75 |
Originally posted by rob_smith:
Originally posted by BeeCee:
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Originally posted by BeeCee:
Btw, I do pretty much agree with the OP. If you don't know about something in a shot but the title gives an easy way to find out, either take a moment to find out or confine your comments to what you DO know. |
...and searching on the title "Who's Watching the Watchers..?" would help how???
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My bad, I didn't look at the title, I just took his word for it that "I have put what it is in the title, if you are unsure people, google it" means that he gave easily searchable info. I guess I illustrate my own point pretty well, eh? "If you're not sure, check it out if you can" :) |
Please actually read the post, I was talking about the boats challenge. |
Ahhh, regarding the actual title part of the post - yes, I can see that.
I guess since that part is pertaining to a challenge still in voting, this discussion can be picked up tomorrow after rollover. :-)
As for depending on a title to make a connection to the challenge, that's usually going to flop. It's best to let the image do the bulk of the "describing". |
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