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05/15/2008 06:22:31 PM · #26 |
Just FYI, this was the moth nearby (as in on the wall next to the door).
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05/15/2008 06:24:18 PM · #27 |
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05/15/2008 07:08:48 PM · #28 |
Oooh, he's CUTE!
*scurries off to follow the next clue*
Okay, only 2 minutes into searching but I suspect a species of tiger moth, which would make those one of the woolly bear caterpillars. They look like a really early instar, so they might not bear any resemblance at that stage to the mature caterpillar.
But I'll be back when (if) I figure out more. :)
eta; Arghh, I'm not getting anywhere! I can't find anything with that combination of antennae, colouration and body/wing shape. (YET)
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05/15/2008 07:57:25 PM · #29 |
Okay, now I'm leaning toward possibly a southern flannel moth. The antennae don't look feathery enough but maybe they can flatten them or something? The leg patterning, wing shape, etc, seems to most closely match that genus, at least.
Yup, pretty sure that's what it is.
this shot looks most like it of any pics I've found
I have no clue if the caterpillars are related, but if you see any very furry, brown wedge-shaped caterpillars around the yard in a while, they're the ones, and do NOT touch 'em! Apparently stinging nettles have nuthin' on these guys :)
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05/15/2008 09:01:54 PM · #30 |
Originally posted by BeeCee:
Okay, now I'm leaning toward possibly a southern flannel moth. The antennae don't look feathery enough but maybe they can flatten them or something? The leg patterning, wing shape, etc, seems to most closely match that genus, at least.
Yup, pretty sure that's what it is.
this shot looks most like it of any pics I've found
I have no clue if the caterpillars are related, but if you see any very furry, brown wedge-shaped caterpillars around the yard in a while, they're the ones, and do NOT touch 'em! Apparently stinging nettles have nuthin' on these guys :) |
It looks like it, except for the antennae but that could be because it's not the same sex. |
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05/15/2008 09:19:22 PM · #31 |
| I think those are insects, probably, little ones. Little insects, yep, that's what those are. Could call em bugs too, bugs and insects are pretty much the same thing. Spelled differently of course. |
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05/15/2008 09:22:14 PM · #32 |
Originally posted by Jac:
It looks like it, except for the antennae but that could be because it's not the same sex. |
*slaps forehead* You're right, or course :)
Togtog, I believe you're right too! |
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05/15/2008 10:00:12 PM · #33 |
Originally posted by Jac:
Originally posted by knowvak:
look almost like baby house centipedes. Here |
WOW! Never seen one of those before. How big do these get? |
I saw a huge 3" one in my house once (shortly before selling it). I thought it must have been some Chinese import.
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05/15/2008 10:05:00 PM · #34 |
Originally posted by theSaj:
Originally posted by Jac:
Originally posted by knowvak:
look almost like baby house centipedes. Here |
WOW! Never seen one of those before. How big do these get? |
I saw a huge 3" one in my house once (shortly before selling it). I thought it must have been some Chinese import. |
I *HATE* those things. I've only ever had them while living in apartments. And my cat was terrified of them, so I had to kill them every time. (shudder) |
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05/15/2008 10:11:58 PM · #35 |
IF THEY'RE STILL THERE...DON'T TOUCH THEM!!!
If they are flannel moths & their caterpillars. Apparently they are extremely poisonous (or at least some are). Read many descriptions of stings which essentially equated to a bee sting on the finger that reaches up to the armpit and shoulder. And one smaller woman went unconscious.
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05/15/2008 10:30:43 PM · #36 |
That's good to know. The caterpillars didn't move at all and was in a web. Is that normal after a hatching or did a spider get to it? I didn't see one at the time.
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05/15/2008 10:33:35 PM · #37 |
| Since we still haven't actually ID'ed them yet I think you have discovered a new species. I think we should call them Yanko worms, which shows that even though I may be 30 I still am quite immature:) |
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05/15/2008 10:42:19 PM · #38 |
exerpt from here;
"Puss Caterpillar (Megalopyge opercularis)
The puss caterpillar (the adult is called southern flannel moth) is our most "dangerous" stinging caterpillar. Contact may produce severe reactions including: intense burning and nettling of the skin; severe pain; reddening and inflammation; development of pustules and other lesions; numbness; swelling, which may sometimes be extensive; and nausea. Pain may persist from one to twelve or more hours. In some instances, victims have required medical attention. The larva is urticating in all stages, but severity of the reaction is generally proportional to size. Also, newly molted skins retain stinging capabilities.
The caterpillar is thickly covered with fine, long, tan, grayish to brown hairs, among which are hidden venomous setae. Hairs peak roof-like over the back and taper rearward to form a "tail". Hairs along the "ridge" of the back occur in small tufts; on each side are small patches of white. The full-grown larva is about 1 inch long, but with its hairy coat, appears to be much larger. The overall length of the specimen shown at left in Photo 7 is 15/8 inches."
Actually, I'm not convinced that the larvae match the moth, mainly because I finally found, in the above-linked article, mention that these caterpillars have 7 pairs of prolegs and I can only see 3 pair on yours. Tell you what, pet a couple and see if you have any reaction :)
I'm going to search some more on the webbing ones, see if I can figure anything out.
btw, the scientific name for the southern flannel moth is Megalopyge opercularis
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05/15/2008 10:46:40 PM · #39 |
Thanks for the help well except for the petting suggestion. :P
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05/15/2008 11:02:58 PM · #40 |
Looking through my photos I noticed I had taken a photo of another I assume to be moth. I believe it was on that same wall as the other moth.
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05/15/2008 11:20:13 PM · #41 |
I had yet another blonde moment; counted the legs instead of the prolegs.
Those are harder to see, but there mayyyyyy be 7 pair...
Hey, these little guys are dead and small, they won't kill ya, probably won't even cause a reaction :) But if they DO cause any little bit at least you'll know!
But from what I can find, butterfly larvae often make those webs that they use during their early instars for protection but I don't see mention of caterpillars using ones of the type you show.
I suspect that those you have are non-survivors and the rest have dispersed. I thought maybe they were the remains of the first moult but they look intact.
And Jac is right, your pretty moth is a female :)
Nowwww, to identify the second moth!
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05/15/2008 11:41:19 PM · #42 |
Originally posted by yanko:
Looking through my photos I noticed I had taken a photo of another I assume to be moth. I believe it was on that same wall as the other moth.
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Painted lichen moth, Hypoprepia fucosa
Now to see what their caterpillars are like.... |
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05/15/2008 11:43:37 PM · #43 |
Stinging caterpillars! I'm afraid to ask what the butterflies do to defend themselves.
3 inch long bugs!
Insects that scare cats!
Extremely poisonous!
I'm kinda glad I live up north where insects are of the normal variety like flies, mosquitoes, non-stinging caterpillars and such.
BTW, I ate white worms at the Insectarium here a few years back. But they were refined into flour and baked as cookies so I didn't see actual worms in them. They then offered me a nice huge fried locust, which I immediately refused. It still looked like a locust, yuk. People were gulping these back like they were candy. Maybe with a beer...after 20 beers. ;\ |
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05/15/2008 11:57:06 PM · #44 |
Originally posted by Jac:
Stinging caterpillars! I'm afraid to ask what the butterflies do to defend themselves.
3 inch long bugs!
Insects that scare cats!
Extremely poisonous!
I'm kinda glad I live up north where insects are of the normal variety like flies, mosquitoes, non-stinging caterpillars and such.
BTW, I ate white worms at the Insectarium here a few years back. But they were refined into flour and baked as cookies so I didn't see actual worms in them. They then offered me a nice huge fried locust, which I immediately refused. It still looked like a locust, yuk. People were gulping these back like they were candy. Maybe with a beer...after 20 beers. ;\ |
So I guess these are out of the question? Maybe I should put these caterpillars in some candy and sell them. I could call them Yanko Worms. Although the name doesn't quite fit. :P
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05/15/2008 11:57:09 PM · #45 |
Originally posted by Jac:
Stinging caterpillars! I'm afraid to ask what the butterflies do to defend themselves.
3 inch long bugs!
Insects that scare cats!
Extremely poisonous!
I'm kinda glad I live up north where insects are of the normal variety like flies, mosquitoes, non-stinging caterpillars and such.
BTW, I ate white worms at the Insectarium here a few years back. But they were refined into flour and baked as cookies so I didn't see actual worms in them. They then offered me a nice huge fried locust, which I immediately refused. It still looked like a locust, yuk. People were gulping these back like they were candy. Maybe with a beer...after 20 beers. ;\ |
Lol, I can't even eat the kalamari pieces that have the legs... I'd rather not be reminded what I'm chowing on, thankyouverymuch! |
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05/15/2008 11:59:48 PM · #46 |
Okay Yanko, I think I've gotten about as far as I can wif yer buglets. Sorry I can't tell you what kind of caterpillars, but at least we got the adult moths done for you :)
Just be on a look-out now for those "puss caterpillars" (and get us some good shots of them without touching!). |
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05/16/2008 12:07:02 AM · #47 |
I think you are safe. Here is a shot of the flannel moth catipillar.
Flannel moth larva
Another Flannel Moth
Flannel moths look like tribbles.
I don't know what you have there.
I send all my mystery insect photos to bugguide.net
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05/16/2008 12:09:18 AM · #48 |
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05/16/2008 12:28:18 AM · #49 |
Originally posted by BlueZamia:
I think you are safe. Here is a shot of the flannel moth catipillar.
Flannel moth larva
Another Flannel Moth
Flannel moths look like tribbles.
I don't know what you have there.
I send all my mystery insect photos to bugguide.net |
The trouble is that in the first instar most caterpillars look almost alike.
I don't think those are "tribbles", though. But if he's got the moth around he may have the 'pillars somewhere.... shudder....
And Yanko, you're very welcome. Thanks for the challenge! :D |
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05/16/2008 01:38:16 AM · #50 |
Ah my friends the search is over!
I grew up in Texas and what you have here is the seasonal webworm. They hatch at this time of the year.
These are a few weeks older but they are indeed one and the same.
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