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03/14/2004 01:55:26 PM · #1 |
I've been doing some reading on the history of photography, etc, and came across something I didn't know, that is, film companies use gelatin in the base of film and printing paper. As you may or may not know, they make gelatin (the same stuff that's in Jell-O and marshmallows) from boiled bones, tendons, and skin of farm animals. I've just found a site to petition Kodak from using gelatin in their film, as there are non-animal alternatives available. Here is the link if anyone is interested.
//www.ethical-business.com/default.asp?sect=detail&pet=590
I realize Kodak has just decided to invest all future revenues in digital imaging, but they will continue to make film and disposable cameras in the meantime.
On a side note, I was wondering if anyone knew of how Linda McCartney (animal activist and photographer) reconciled these issues during her heyday as a photographer. |
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03/14/2004 02:09:33 PM · #2 |
| If people are against killing animals I respect their opinion. And partly a am my self though I eat meet and animal products. But I cant see the reson not for using stuff that othervise would be thrown away. Film making companies probably get this for a low price and if it is good for its purpose then why not use it? |
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03/14/2004 02:19:17 PM · #3 |
What ever drops the price is cool with me (within reason of course).
I don't understand how the use of bones from farm animals could offend anyone. Why throw away something perfectly usefull!
BTW: what does being an animal activist have to do with this issue. Now if you could PROVE they were raising animals just to kill them for their bones I would think differently, otherwise it's kinda sad that people waste valuable time and effort over something so pointless!
Message edited by author 2004-03-14 14:21:25.
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03/14/2004 02:21:31 PM · #4 |
Originally posted by garlic:
If people are against killing animals I respect their opinion. And partly a am my self though I eat meet and animal products. But I cant see the reson not for using stuff that othervise would be thrown away. Film making companies probably get this for a low price and if it is good for its purpose then why not use it? |
Hi garlic, thanks for your response, this is one of my first threads that I've started since I've joined the site. I'll try to respond to your questions as best I can. The way products are manufactured by large companies are by supply/demand. If the film buying public (us) demands less gelatin based film, and more non-gelatin based film, or digital, than the companies supplying the film will have no choice but to change to the alternative, rather than risk going out of business. The film will not be thrown away, it will most likely be liquidated (made into cash) by selling at very low prices during the changeover.
Kodak has already taken steps to go all digital (although not for animal rights purposes, for fear of becoming obsolete, since digital is obviously going to be THE way to take photos in the future). The petition I have linked in my previous link was simply me presenting an option for those who wish to pursue it. It's not a force of my opinion on anyone who reads this, simply an option worth reading about.
Thanks. |
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03/14/2004 02:27:40 PM · #5 |
| I guess there's an issue here much greater than the savings in price. |
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03/14/2004 02:29:20 PM · #6 |
Originally posted by Russell2566:
BTW: what does being an animal activist have to do with this issue. Now if you could PROVE they were raising animals just to kill them for their bones I would think differently, otherwise it's kinda sad that people waste valuable time and effort over something so pointless! |
I assumed that this link would generate a little bit of controversy, and that's not what I meant by posting it. I was not intending to turn all meat eating photographers into hardcore vegan digital users. Obviously, the first step towards living a vegetarian/vegan lifestyle isn't to cut out buying film, since you are right, they would just throw away the bones. The first step is to cut out eating/wearing animal products, so that they don't have to raise the animals for their meat, and then use their bones. That's the progression.
I didn't mean to start a debate over being a vegetarian or not, I simply was providing another opinion of why I think it's great that photographers are going digital, and if there are some vegetarians on this site, then they can further their knowledge of what they consume, and how they live. Please don't take my link as passing judgement.
Thanks |
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03/14/2004 02:29:39 PM · #7 |
Thats your opinion matiscro and as I said before, I respect it though I may not agree with you compleatly.
Gelatin or not, I´ve not bought films for many weeks and dont think I will soon.
But you know gelatin and many other stuff made out of animal-tissues are all over and I think thats almost impossible not to be in touch with it in our daily lives. |
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03/14/2004 02:36:05 PM · #8 |
Originally posted by garlic:
Thats your opinion matiscro and as I said before, I respect it though I may not agree with you compleatly.
Gelatin or not, I´ve not bought films for many weeks and dont think I will soon.
But you know gelatin and many other stuff made out of animal-tissues are all over and I think thats almost impossible not to be in touch with it in our daily lives. |
Yes, garlic, you are correct, it is impossible not to be in touch with it, which is why I choose to learn as much as possible about the products I consume and use in order to live what I consider the most non-invasive responsible lifestyle I can. Believe, me it's difficult, I grew up in an all Italian, meatballs on Sunday, eating household, and my family gives me grief about it every chance they can get. :) |
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03/14/2004 02:37:50 PM · #9 |
Originally posted by garlic:
Thats your opinion matiscro and as I said before, I respect it though I may not agree with you compleatly.
Gelatin or not, I´ve not bought films for many weeks and dont think I will soon.
But you know gelatin and many other stuff made out of animal-tissues are all over and I think thats almost impossible not to be in touch with it in our daily lives. |
By the way garlic, I really like your work, where are you from (that street sign has some beautiful language on it). |
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03/14/2004 02:54:41 PM · #10 |
Linda McCartney was a fantastic photographer. Her photos from the 60's and 70's were (and are) terrific.
I doubt back in those days she was the activist she was before she died. But If you are going to go as far as making a big deal out of film, you should be a vegitarian, beacuse if your not, then you are being a bit of a hypocrite, because all that other junk after you eat your steaks has to go somewhere.
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03/14/2004 02:58:15 PM · #11 |
Originally posted by Riggs:
Linda McCartney was a fantastic photographer. Her photos from the 60's and 70's were (and are) terrific.
I doubt back in those days she was the activist she was before she died. But If you are going to go as far as making a big deal out of film, you should be a vegitarian, beacuse if your not, then you are being a bit of a hypocrite, because all that other junk after you eat your steaks has to go somewhere. |
I agree, she is amazing. I have her print "Portrait of an Era" hanging in my bedroom. And, yes, I am a vegetarian.
Message edited by author 2004-03-14 15:00:09. |
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03/14/2004 03:03:20 PM · #12 |
| Sorry, I missed that, and I have alot of respect for you for doing what you feel is just and right. I may not choose the same lifestyle, but I certainly applaud your convictions. |
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03/14/2004 03:34:16 PM · #13 |
| Thanks Riggs, nice to know people can hold different opinions on this site (as I have said, I'm a newbie), without getting their heads torn off. |
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03/14/2004 03:51:29 PM · #14 |
Film, it's what's for dinner....
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03/14/2004 03:56:00 PM · #15 |
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Film, it's what's for dinner.... |
Nice...or Kodak, the other white meat |
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