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03/18/2004 02:12:47 PM · #176 |
Olyuzi,
I've assessed your reply - and it appears that we have common ground on several items.
1. Troop Support
2. Terrorism must be dealt with
3. Viet Nam Vets were poorly treated
4. Accountability and Responsibility are important
5. The current as well as previous administrations, were less than forthwright and should be more so.
What is different, is our means of address.
Flash
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03/18/2004 02:19:46 PM · #177 |
| I don't know anything about miltary or weaponry, but from what I have heard these attacks by al Qaeda require a great deal of sophistication. What I would like to know is just who is funding an organization like this because it must take a lot of money to do things as dastardly as this. Does anyone have any ideas? |
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03/18/2004 02:53:26 PM · #178 |
Historically, the funding credit has been given to Osama (Usama) Bin Laden. The US has contained millions of his assets and has sought cooperation from other governments around the globe to do the same. There was some discussions shortly after 9-11 about relatives here in the US and associations with the Saudi Royal family. I'm pretty certain that this was the basis for subsequent claims involving the current administration and various negligence assertions.
As you so validly mention, they have to have money. There are some that believe that due to our "pressence" in that part of the world, that we have favorably impacted other governments to back away from "public" support of extremist organizations. But again, someone has to be footing the bill.
The wire is reporting that #2 on the al-Qaeda list is surrounded.
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03/18/2004 04:29:08 PM · #179 |
| I have heard that 15 of the 19 9/11 hijackers were Saudi and that the Saudis were funding terrorism in many parts of the world...Anyone have any thoughts on this? |
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03/18/2004 04:32:59 PM · #180 |
Originally posted by Flash:
..I say that as one who used to believe, promote, and "fight" for the end of the Viet Nam war. In hind sight, a dis-service was done to those who were dying overseas. Our Congress was waffling and trying to walk a tightrope between accomplishing the objective and getting re-elected. The result was thousands more lives lost, due specifically to the voice from the street ... |
No, those deaths are the responsibility of the "wafflers" who chose political expediency over stopping an unjust and unwise war, NOT the responsibility of civic-minded citizens who felt that the war was wrong, and "assemble{d} ... to petition for redress of grievences" as permitted by the Constitution, and required by the Declaration of Independence ("there comes a time ..."). They are more the responsibility of those (both Democrats and Republicans) who promoted it out of economic interests and lied to us about the whole thing.
Message edited by author 2004-03-18 16:34:02. |
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03/18/2004 04:48:27 PM · #181 |
Actually, millions of deaths can be blamed on our failure on Viet Nam. Of course, those truly respnsible are the ones that pulled the trigger, but those that protect the despots of the world also carry blame.
Where is the web site that chronicles all the deaths causeed by Saddam, Castro, Stalin, Kim Jung Ill and the other despots around the world that the left loves to protect. Progressive - oh yeah.
Where is www.baathistbodycount.com www.communistbodycount.com?
The axis of weazels.
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03/18/2004 05:04:32 PM · #182 |
Originally posted by Zeissman:
Actually, millions of deaths can be blamed on our failure on Viet Nam. Of course, those truly respnsible are the ones that pulled the trigger, but those that protect the despots of the world also carry blame.
Where is the web site that chronicles all the deaths causeed by Saddam, Castro, Stalin, Kim Jung Ill and the other despots around the world that the left loves to protect. Progressive - oh yeah. |
Try here.
And here.
I found these in about 2 minutes; I only searched for a couple of examples searching on the term "Castro" although I'm sure we could find plenty more citations with a more systematic and diligent search.
One of the differences I see between the "Left" and the "Right" in this country is that people the Left sometimes change their ways when confronted with their own hypocrisy and act on their own rhetoric, like the ACLU helping Mr. Limbaugh with his legal troubles, even though he causes plenty of trouble for them. |
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03/18/2004 07:24:55 PM · #183 |
Just as a general interest thing - this is making headlines on Drudge right now:
KERRY: NO FOREIGN ENDORSEMENTS, PLEASE... Kerry Foreign Policy Advisor Rand Beers issued the following statement today: '...It is simply not appropriate for any foreign leader to endorse a candidate in America's presidential election. John Kerry does not seek, and will not accept, any such endorsements'...
Seems to me that Kerry's realizing that some foreign endorcements might just have the potential to hurt him!
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03/19/2004 02:42:19 PM · #184 |
I don't see any running death tolls. Of course, people would probably confuse it for a hit counter.
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by Zeissman:
Actually, millions of deaths can be blamed on our failure on Viet Nam. Of course, those truly respnsible are the ones that pulled the trigger, but those that protect the despots of the world also carry blame.
Where is the web site that chronicles all the deaths causeed by Saddam, Castro, Stalin, Kim Jung Ill and the other despots around the world that the left loves to protect. Progressive - oh yeah. |
Try here.
And here.
I found these in about 2 minutes; I only searched for a couple of examples searching on the term "Castro" although I'm sure we could find plenty more citations with a more systematic and diligent search.
One of the differences I see between the "Left" and the "Right" in this country is that people the Left sometimes change their ways when confronted with their own hypocrisy and act on their own rhetoric, like the ACLU helping Mr. Limbaugh with his legal troubles, even though he causes plenty of trouble for them. |
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03/19/2004 03:10:24 PM · #185 |
Originally posted by Zeissman:
I don't see any running death tolls. Of course, people would probably confuse it for a hit counter.
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Here's one for you ...
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03/19/2004 05:37:30 PM · #186 |
Originally posted by Zeissman:
I don't see any running death tolls. Of course, people would probably confuse it for a hit counter. |
I posted this (or something like it) in another thread:
Source List and Detailed Death Tolls for the Man-made Megadeaths of the Twentieth Century
The only "big" player you've named of course is Stalin, but I guess your point was that the "left loves to protect [them]". What a strange notion indeed!
We now return you to your irregularly scheduled bipolar political disorder. |
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03/27/2004 02:32:04 AM · #187 |
| okay, so i'm replying a little late for anyone to even read this, and it's getting a little off topic, but oh well. i live in b.c., and right before the terrorist attacks there was the hockey altercation where bertuzzi broke moore's neck. my problem is this: the day after the attacks, the first 10 pages of the newspaper i get was devoted to the bertuzzi incident, while the terrorist attack took up only one page after all that crap. i am disturbed by how backwards people's priorities can be! anyways, that's all i have to say |
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