Ever been 2 cautious when posting a photo?

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03/19/2008 01:58:08 PM · #1

I was going to post a photo from a series of shots I took at an airport. What caught my eye was a jet, solid white with not markings. I pulled into an area so I could get a few shots. What I got was pictures of detainees or prisoners being unloaded and loaded on this jet to and from two large white buses with total dark windows, also no markings. Each person was being lodged with paperwork, chained, and escorted in and out of the jet. At least three, maybe more, swat suited men with automatic riffles keeping lookout while the process was going on.

The personnel that was handling the detainees or prisoners were wearing purple or latex gloves while patting down each individual and shackling them (handcuffs on wrist and leg-cuffs with a chains hooking the to together). As I was leaving I noticed a van that appeared to have a GPS locater unit on to with a camera. The tag was a gov. tag with the small diagonal letters before the numbers that read D H S.

Do you think it was a wise decision not to post these pictures or should freedom of speech allow me to do so with no recourse. A fence stood between us with a sign saying "Restricted Area".

regards,
2Cautious

Message edited by author 2008-03-19 14:24:25.

trevytrev

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03/19/2008 02:01:45 PM · #2

It's been nice knowing you, best wishes:)

Yo_Spiff

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03/19/2008 02:01:52 PM · #3

I'd say not to tempt fate and whatever authority was in charge of this. However, their performing this operation at a public airport invites scrutiny.

Perhaps you could do a web search or check out some of the larger photo sharing sites and see if any similar shots have been posted.

Message edited by author 2008-03-19 14:02:10.

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03/19/2008 02:04:29 PM · #4

You could post them under someone elses name :-) and see what happens to them.

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03/19/2008 02:09:32 PM · #5

I search google and could not find anything or picture of this type of activity. It reminded me of the movie C.o.n...A.i.r. Sorry for the ".", trying to keep that word from being searchable on site.

I was going to post on shot into a challenge but 3 minutes before rollover I unsubmitted the photo.

Am I being paranoid?

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03/19/2008 02:11:31 PM · #6

What country are you in?

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03/19/2008 02:13:31 PM · #7

Originally posted by jhonan:

What country are you in?

Who's asking? :)

U>S>A

ryand

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03/19/2008 02:14:18 PM · #8

Originally posted by PhotoCatcher:

You could post them under someone elses name :-) and see what happens to them.

lol

AndyMac24

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03/19/2008 02:14:35 PM · #9

Originally posted by SDW:

I believe that any place viewable to the public is ok to soot and display from. Like with power plants, you can take pictures of anything you can see from public land.

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03/19/2008 02:17:54 PM · #10

Originally posted by SDW:

Originally posted by jhonan:
What country are you in?

Who's asking? :)

U>S>A

Then you made the right decision.

Message edited by author 2008-03-19 14:18:22.

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03/19/2008 02:19:29 PM · #11

Originally posted by AndyMac24:

Originally posted by SDW:
I search google and could not find anything or picture of this type of activity. It reminded me of the movie C.o.n...A.i.r. Sorry for the ".", trying to keep that word from being searchable on site.

I was going to post on shot into a challenge but 3 minutes before rollover I unsubmitted the photo.

Am I being paranoid?

I believe that any place viewable to the public is ok to soot and display from. Like with power plants, you can take pictures of anything you can see from public land.

Would taking on a public airport property outside the restricted area be consider "public property"? The area I took the pictures was non-restricted and accessible by roads leading in and out of the airport.

Strikeslip

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03/19/2008 02:21:57 PM · #12

Good quiestion. I contacted the a.u.t.h.o.r.i.t.i.e.s to get the answer straight from the horses mouth. They said it was fine and asked for your contact info., so I gave it to them.

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03/19/2008 02:23:28 PM · #13

Originally posted by Strikeslip:

Good quiestion. I contacted the a.u.t.h.o.r.i.t.i.e.s to get the answer straight from the horses mouth. They said it was fine and asked for your contact info., so I gave it to them.

lol

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03/19/2008 02:25:05 PM · #14

Go ahead and post those pic's, Scott. Maybe we'll see Ken in shackles! LOL!

Seriously, what's your concern about publishing those photos? You weren't in an illegal area when you took them, were you? Were you standing on public grounds? As a refresher, review the Photographers Bill of Rights.

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03/19/2008 02:32:58 PM · #15

Originally posted by AperturePriority:

Go ahead and post those pic's, Scott. Maybe we'll see Ken in shackles! LOL!

Seriously, what's your concern about publishing those photos? You weren't in an illegal area when you took them, were you? Were you standing on public grounds? As a refresher, review the Photographers Bill of Rights.

Thanks for the article. I not sure what constitutes public property when it comes to a metropolitan airport. I was not in a restricted area when I took the pictures. But the picture were of a restricted area clearly visible from where I was standing.

To put it another way if an event was to come to the same airport then cameras would be allowed.

My main concerns:
Posting pictures of gov. activity
Posting pictures that could identify a detainee/prisoner or gov. official doing his/her job
Posting pictures of a confidential activity taking place in a restricted area

If they went to the point of having an unmarked jet, buses, and doing this activity in a restricted place away from the terminals then they must want it to be at least unnoticeable, I would think.

AndyMac24

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03/19/2008 02:39:39 PM · #16

Originally posted by SDW:

If they went to the point of having an unmarked jet, buses, and doing this activity in a restricted place away from the terminals then they must want it to be at least unnoticeable, I would think.

I would say they failed, as you noticed. And I would consider it a public place.

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03/19/2008 02:46:51 PM · #17

Makes me wonder if these are news worthy photos since nothing has been mentioned in the media here about this activity?
And BTW the D/P were being unloaded and loaded via a door at the tail (not on the sides of the jet) that had its own ladder that went down to the tarmac. The jet would appear to hold about 150 or more D/P.

Message edited by author 2008-03-19 14:47:59.

Tez

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03/19/2008 03:05:32 PM · #18

I think you should post them. If they're relevant to the current political climate then go for it. You could send them to any number of news sites from a created email account and state that you do not want to be credited in any way but that you think people should see them... and mention the media hasn't made a deal out of it. If you don't, who will?

mgsmith53

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03/19/2008 03:09:18 PM · #19

It shouldn't surprise anybody that prisoners are moved around with the least amount of notice. There are extreme criminals and I can see where it might be wise to keep a low profile. I really doubt the "authorities" would come to haul you away...this isn't quite a police state, as some would have us believe. At the worst you might get a few questions asked, and that's doubtful. It sounds like a public place. Still the land of the free...for now, anyway.

tnun

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03/19/2008 03:21:06 PM · #20

Who knows? In Vancouver not so long ago someone took videos of an airport incident, and these ultimately proved that what happened did happen....

On the other hand, the unmarked white jet and vans actually seem like advertisements. In any case, MAKE COPIES and store them in different locations.

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03/19/2008 03:30:09 PM · #21

In the situation you describe, the photos should be legal and publishable (for editorial, not commercial use).

However, the current administration is not known for using applicable law as the ultimate criterion when deciding when to arrest and detain people indefinitely, so not publishing them at this time may have been a pragmatic choice.

If they were my pictures, before posting them i any way they could be found, I'd consider burning several CDs with them, and sending them with an explanatory letter to Amnesty International, the ACLU, the US Copyright Office (with fee), and the New York Times, not necessarily in that order ...

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