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03/18/2008 11:58:24 AM · #1 |
An interesting watch, though weighted with propaganda to support it, there is some truth to it. I know her mining speech was pretty far off. The consumerism part made me think of us at DPC always upgrading our gear, and my wife, who is into "Retail Therapy".
If you have 20 minutes.... What do you think?
The Story of Stuff with Annie Leonard
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03/18/2008 12:02:54 PM · #2 |
| Impressions so far: "More than fifty percent of [American citizens'] federal tax money is going to the military." YIKES! |
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03/18/2008 12:42:14 PM · #3 |
Originally posted by Louis:
Impressions so far: "More than fifty percent of [American citizens'] federal tax money is going to the military." YIKES! |
Blowing up stuff around the world is expensive business. |
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03/19/2008 09:12:26 AM · #4 |
I didn't expect many people would have 20 minutes free, but thought this "story of stuff" might get some interesting comments. I'm especially interested in comments supporting or debunking her propaganda. But, it is a long time to watch a single thing on the web. :-(
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03/19/2008 11:40:10 AM · #5 |
I just watched it and I'm pretty amazed. I felt like the consumption section was so obvious I could hit myself in the head but its stuff you never think about... this disposable craze. Everything is freakin disposable now because its just sooo hard to reuse stuff right? I mean we've only been using reusable items since the dawn of man is all.
lol. oh boy. |
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03/19/2008 11:41:15 AM · #6 |
Originally posted by Strikeslip:
If you have 20 minutes.... What do you think?
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I want my 20 minutes back. LOL When I guessed the 1 percent figure that she used for items still in service after six months I knew most of the figures in this movie were pulled out of someones' anus. The message is nice and we need to work toward sustainability.. but sustainability is not really achievable without one little thing that wasn't mentioned: population control.
Unfortunately with any foreseeable technology, the linear process she described is what we're stuck with. This means there is a maximum number of humans mother earth can provide for. The higher the number we decide, the lower the quality of life. You'd be surprised to discover the best sustainable lifestyle. That of aboriginal Indians. With that lifestyle almost all the goals of sustainability are realized. This lifestyle could exist theoretically century after century. It probably did! But one thing put a fly in the ointment: the human mind. Inarguably the most dangerous weapon in our known universe. It won't be satisfied with the same thing over, and over. And that my friend leads us to where we are today. We either wait around meekly while populations increase to the point that mother nature collapses and 99.9 percent of humans die, (if we're lucky) or we utilize our minds
as the Indians did and find a solution. When your resources are gone, (as the movie indicated) there is one obvious solution: migrate. Where the heck would we go? This is screwing up the whole earth! Space. In the US, NASA's budget hasn't gone up in real dollars in 20 years. This needs to be remedied. One good thing of late is the massive move to privatize space exploration.
Once one of those evil companies described in the film, figure out how to exploit space for profit, migration will quickly become a reality. Then we have a place where the linear process described in the film works nicely. Space. Infinity. Trashed your world? Simply find a new one. The one you find doesn't exactly meet your needs? Terra form it to exactly what you need.
So.. we could stay on earth and become sustainable. All the while waiting for that big rock from space to end all existence on earth, or we could do what we were destined to do: Trash the entire universe!
(My apologies to anyone who read all this. I should have taken my meds before going on the forums. I think I'll do that now before I post anything else. heheh) |
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03/19/2008 11:57:20 AM · #7 |
Heh, thanks for the post  fir3bird! :-D
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03/19/2008 12:36:15 PM · #8 |
Originally posted by fir3bird:
Originally posted by Strikeslip:
If you have 20 minutes.... What do you think?
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I want my 20 minutes back. LOL When I guessed the 1 percent figure that she used for items still in service after six months I knew most of the figures in this movie were pulled out of someones' anus. The message is nice and we need to work toward sustainability.. but sustainability is not really achievable without one little thing that wasn't mentioned: population control.
Unfortunately with any foreseeable technology, the linear process she described is what we're stuck with. This means there is a maximum number of humans mother earth can provide for. The higher the number we decide, the lower the quality of life. You'd be surprised to discover the best sustainable lifestyle. That of aboriginal Indians. With that lifestyle almost all the goals of sustainability are realized. This lifestyle could exist theoretically century after century. It probably did! But one thing put a fly in the ointment: the human mind. Inarguably the most dangerous weapon in our known universe. It won't be satisfied with the same thing over, and over. And that my friend leads us to where we are today. We either wait around meekly while populations increase to the point that mother nature collapses and 99.9 percent of humans die, (if we're lucky) or we utilize our minds
as the Indians did and find a solution. When your resources are gone, (as the movie indicated) there is one obvious solution: migrate. Where the heck would we go? This is screwing up the whole earth! Space. In the US, NASA's budget hasn't gone up in real dollars in 20 years. This needs to be remedied. One good thing of late is the massive move to privatize space exploration.
Once one of those evil companies described in the film, figure out how to exploit space for profit, migration will quickly become a reality. Then we have a place where the linear process described in the film works nicely. Space. Infinity. Trashed your world? Simply find a new one. The one you find doesn't exactly meet your needs? Terra form it to exactly what you need.
So.. we could stay on earth and become sustainable. All the while waiting for that big rock from space to end all existence on earth, or we could do what we were destined to do: Trash the entire universe!
(My apologies to anyone who read all this. I should have taken my meds before going on the forums. I think I'll do that now before I post anything else. heheh) |
Hmmm yes. Can't fix it, why try? Lets all get neutered, buy, use, and throw out all the disposable stuff we want and live on the moon! It will be so cool! And with less gravity we can all pretend we aren't getting fatter too! In fact we can just float and bounce around and barely have to walk at all! Wooo hooo!
Sounds way more reasonable then consume less, waste less, recycle, spread the message. Have educated offspring that will do the same and be part of a better future. Oh imagine if all of our adds were about sustainability. **dream sequence begins** Woman is in clothes that look old, eclectic and well-worn. She is gardening and picking fresh tomatoes off the vine. Her kids are playing in the yard and she looks into the camera and says "Have you been outside today?" (and they aren't trying to sell pesticides or anything at all for that matter) ***dream sequence ends**
But no its buy! buy! buy! Buy disposables! You are just not COOL if you don't have_____, if you don't buy_____. Your armpits will stink and you'll have no friends if you don't use_________.
lol. But I guess I'm an idealist... ;)
Message edited by author 2008-03-19 12:37:34. |
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03/19/2008 01:25:26 PM · #9 |
[provocatively]As is often the case, there are plenty of grains of truth in this otherwise simplistic clichéd pap aimed at the wide-eyed naiveté of those with at best a 7th grader education. Too bad the glib and condescending style complete with cutesy cartoons will turn off thinking adults who could actually make a difference except that the style made them ignore the grains of truth. Maybe we need a version for adults â€Â¦ maybe The Story of Stuff with Peter Drucker? Oh, wait â€Â¦ that’s what Al Gore tried to do! Guess that won’t work.[/provocatively]
[seriously]It̢۪s a thought provoking message and worth reflecting on.[/seriously]
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03/19/2008 01:49:34 PM · #10 |
Originally posted by Dr.Confuser:
[provocatively]As is often the case, there are plenty of grains of truth in this otherwise simplistic clichéd pap aimed at the wide-eyed naiveté of those with at best a 7th grader education. Too bad the glib and condescending style complete with cutesy cartoons will turn off thinking adults who could actually make a difference except that the style made them ignore the grains of truth. Maybe we need a version for adults â€Â¦ maybe The Story of Stuff with Peter Drucker? Oh, wait â€Â¦ that’s what Al Gore tried to do! Guess that won’t work.[/provocatively]
[seriously]It̢۪s a thought provoking message and worth reflecting on.[/seriously] |
lol... :D
I think it is for adults... you know the ones that want all their information spoon fed to them in 30 seconds or less. besides, a lot of adults aren't very educated. I think it's great, even if it is propaganda. We get it all the time from all over for stupid things, why not provide a little competition for a good message? (not that this can compete in the slightest with 30-million dollar add campaigns to get you to spend 600 bucks on a purse...)
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03/19/2008 01:58:06 PM · #11 |
Originally posted by escapetooz:
... besides, a lot of adults aren't very educated. |
I do find this hard to believe... perhaps there are statistics out there to support this claim.
Ray |
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03/19/2008 02:03:40 PM · #12 |
wow. just so true, and not only for the US of course, as this is a worldwide doom loop.
thanks for posting this, slippy! |
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03/19/2008 05:19:46 PM · #13 |
Originally posted by escapetooz:
Hmmm yes. Can't fix it, why try? Lets all get neutered, buy, use, and throw out all the disposable stuff we want and live on the moon! It will be so cool! And with less gravity we can all pretend we aren't getting fatter too! In fact we can just float and bounce around and barely have to walk at all! Wooo hooo!
Sounds way more reasonable then consume less, waste less, recycle, spread the message. Have educated offspring that will do the same and be part of a better future. Oh imagine if all of our adds were about sustainability. **dream sequence begins** Woman is in clothes that look old, eclectic and well-worn. She is gardening and picking fresh tomatoes off the vine. Her kids are playing in the yard and she looks into the camera and says "Have you been outside today?" (and they aren't trying to sell pesticides or anything at all for that matter) ***dream sequence ends**
But no its buy! buy! buy! Buy disposables! You are just not COOL if you don't have_____, if you don't buy_____. Your armpits will stink and you'll have no friends if you don't use_________.
lol. But I guess I'm an idealist... ;) |
No. You just need your medications too! |
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03/19/2008 05:34:54 PM · #14 |
Originally posted by fir3bird:
Originally posted by escapetooz:
Hmmm yes. Can't fix it, why try? Lets all get neutered, buy, use, and throw out all the disposable stuff we want and live on the moon! It will be so cool! And with less gravity we can all pretend we aren't getting fatter too! In fact we can just float and bounce around and barely have to walk at all! Wooo hooo!
Sounds way more reasonable then consume less, waste less, recycle, spread the message. Have educated offspring that will do the same and be part of a better future. Oh imagine if all of our adds were about sustainability. **dream sequence begins** Woman is in clothes that look old, eclectic and well-worn. She is gardening and picking fresh tomatoes off the vine. Her kids are playing in the yard and she looks into the camera and says "Have you been outside today?" (and they aren't trying to sell pesticides or anything at all for that matter) ***dream sequence ends**
But no its buy! buy! buy! Buy disposables! You are just not COOL if you don't have_____, if you don't buy_____. Your armpits will stink and you'll have no friends if you don't use_________.
lol. But I guess I'm an idealist... ;) |
No. You just need your medications too! |
Whispers *I hide them under my bed so they don't know I'm not taking them*.
You won't tell will you? |
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03/19/2008 05:47:30 PM · #15 |
Originally posted by RayEthier:
Originally posted by escapetooz:
... besides, a lot of adults aren't very educated. |
I do find this hard to believe... perhaps there are statistics out there to support this claim.
Ray |
I guess you didn't grow up in the south... you give people too much credit. ;) this was more an opinion based on my encounters with people in my life time, I wasn't trying to pass it off as hard fact. I don't see what your issue is with it.
So no, I don't have any statistics. "educated" could have so many broad interpretations. I know people who scored genius levels on IQ tests and read constantly, know a lot, care a lot about the issues, but never went to college so by statistics they wouldn't be very "educated". Then there are people who can graduate from college and still aren't very bright, don't read up on anything, don't care to, but statistics might list them as educated individuals.
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