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 02/03/2008 09:23:29 PM · #76
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02/03/2008 09:26:30 PM · #77
Here is the story of this photo:

Jim (the pants falling down guy) and his buddies, Todd, Rob and Lisa. Were out helping some less forunate people repair their home. It was a hot day, so the boys took off their shirts. Suddenly, from down the street they hear a woman screaming. Jim reacts first seeing the screaming womans baby carriage bouncing away down the street, with her 6 month old child inside. The boys and Lisa dart off to save the poor child.

After saving the child, Todd, Rob and Lisa all kid Jim about how if he'd bought better fitting pants they probably could have gotten to the child sooner- not that anything bad happened. They all agree to go to A&F the next day and help Jim pick out some better fitting pants.

Thats the story, four young people trying to help people. All you people that are getting some kind of sexual undertone to this image are just sick. :)
 02/03/2008 09:29:24 PM · #78
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02/03/2008 09:32:49 PM · #79
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02/03/2008 09:51:29 PM · #80
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02/03/2008 09:58:42 PM · #81
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02/03/2008 10:33:04 PM · #82
OMG, some buttcrack!! Call out that National Guard!!!! Circle the wagons!! Praise Jesus! Smite the Sinners!!

Oh wait, it's just the plumber...


Message edited by author 2008-02-03 22:33:34.
 02/03/2008 10:36:29 PM · #83
Charlene, when you put together your Va-JJ exhibit, I want tickets!
 02/03/2008 10:38:41 PM · #84
Originally posted by BeeCee:
We wonder why 10-year-olds are dressing like prostitots?

Um.....they don't around here that I've seen.

And neither does my 13 year old daughter, as she's got style, taste, and good sense.....nor do her friends, the kids I see around the middle school she attends, or the cheerleaders where she participates as a cheerleader.

She was on another team that skirted the edges of decency, the operative word there being WAS.......we moved on.

If you see a ten year old dressed completely inappropriately, that is NOT the little girl's doing.....that's LEARNED behavior and the parents are completely to blame.

Originally posted by BeeCee:
I can see how it COULD suggest that the 3 men are pulling up their pants after having the one woman, who is still nude.

Wow! That's both a stretch that I sure wouldn't have made and projection. I hope you wouldn't transfer that train of thought to an impressionable youngster. It sure sounds like you're reading way too much into things.

Originally posted by BeeCee:
Which would be more disturbing to display in a shopping mall; a shot of a topless woman covering her nipples with her hands or two women in lingerie, one with her face buried in the crotch of the other?

Where do you get this stuff?????

I just don't see this ridiculously scandalous advertising. My wife even gets Victoria's Secret e-mail specials all the time because she will occasionally buy the odd item that my kid can wear. Most of it's definitely for a more suggestive look, but not all of it, and as to A&F????? I'm sorry, but this is a store that's been a high end store for a long, long time and they just really don't push the line that hard IMO.

Originally posted by BeeCee:
Like it or not, there DOES have to be a line drawn somewhere. But who gets to decide where that line is?


That line that you need is at home. YOU draw it, YOU enforce it.

You don't like that advertising in that mall?

Go elsewhere, vote with your dollar. It IS that simple.

You can run away and hide and not deal with it, but your children will suffer if you don't.

I'm not trying to be harsh, but I believe that I am wholly responsible for my daughter's outlook and perspective in life, and asking someone else to cater to her isn't reasonable. She has most probably experienced more at her age than many young women, but that goes for the good as well as the bad. Children need guidance and direction, but they also need to see the real world, and to know how to deal with the INEVITABLE shock to their sensibilities....and to have you there to lean on when this happens.
 02/03/2008 10:41:53 PM · #85
Seriously. I've been to Virginia Beach. I only live a few hours from there.
Completely ignore this bru-ha-ha about 1 sq. inch of tittie. That's not even close to the real problem here. They've got a serious crime problem there. Much of it gang and drug related. I'm ABSOLUTELY SURE that the local police had something better to do with their time. If this story was posted on Fark the STUPID tag, would be seriously fighting with the ASININE tag to cover this story. Farkers would be wildly demanding a VIRGINIA tag. Oh wait, I missed it. They did cover it on Fark. Apparently the ASININE tag kicked the STUPID tags ass.
 02/03/2008 10:44:23 PM · #86
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02/03/2008 10:44:47 PM · #87
Oops... Judging by the title, I thought this thread was about the Patriots...
 02/03/2008 10:49:14 PM · #88
Originally posted by alanfreed:
Oops... Judging by the title, I thought this thread was about the Patriots...


Good one! If you're gonna hang in here don't stand to close to sneezy. You might step in sumpin.
 02/03/2008 10:55:18 PM · #89
Originally posted by shutterpuppy:
The A&F pictures? = The least of our problems.


Are you saying that since it isn't the biggest of all problems that we shouldn't address it.

Originally posted by shutterpuppy:
It's natural, normal and healthy. Get over it.


I disagree, first off I think it is supposed to be saved for marriage and I would hardly call all of the STD's floating around out there, normal or healthy.

02/03/2008 11:18:15 PM · #90
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
f you think that is "over the line" then you agree there is a line. And once you agree there is a line, then someone who feels the line belongs in a different place is on equal philosophical ground. Ultimately the society decides. If the community of Virginia Beach wants to draw the line on the conservative side of A&F's ads, then more power to them. Having the discussion is a worthwhile endeavor, but both sides are, in effect, trying to force their view on the other.


Well said.

Originally posted by ryand:
I disagree, first off I think it is supposed to be saved for marriage and I would hardly call all of the STD's floating around out there, normal or healthy.


I happen to agree 100%. However, I don't expect everyone else to. Personally, I hate the store based on it's advertising, obnoxious music and preppy clothes. Therefore, I avoid them when I go to the mall... Unfortunately, many younger people aren't taught how to form beliefs -- let alone stand up for theirs. That's why there are laws in the US prohibiting them from drinking, driving and voting. These laws (for the most part) exist to make up for poor morals and bad values being instilled in the next generation. But now we're delving into a whole realm of issues far beyond A&F.
 02/03/2008 11:20:26 PM · #91
Originally posted by ryand:
first off, I think it is supposed to be saved for marriage

Butt cracks? I'm confused.
 02/03/2008 11:21:38 PM · #92
Originally posted by ryand:
I disagree, first off I think it is supposed to be saved for marriage and I would hardly call all of the STD's floating around out there, normal or healthy.

The operative words being "You think".

Don't project your fundamentalist mores on us especially when you make an outrageous statement based on a complete lack of care and selection in a partner or a behavior.

You can choose a partner carefully, think VERY hard about any decision you make, and engage in safe sex if you do make that choice.

Extra-marital means neither promiscuous nor unsafe; don't imply such.
 02/03/2008 11:21:48 PM · #93
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
Originally posted by DrAchoo:

Of course I'm joking with this, but it makes a point. Why not allow A&F to post a huge vagina as an ad? I mean the size of a volkswagon. Maybe you could have a tagline "Get some with every pair of A&F jeans!" or something.


One: it's false advertising and two: Nobody wants to see a vagina that is THAT big!


I should hope that the current ad is false advertising too. Otherwise, all they're saying is that their pants don't stay up. By that mentality, you'd have to be somewhat odd if you purposely bought their clothes. Unless of course you enjoy looking like a plumber (or a 16 year old boy with pants around his thighs).
 02/03/2008 11:25:20 PM · #94
This is not directed at anyone in particular, but remember we're that same bunch of caring folks who are banding together to support hotpasta (with $$$ or just moral support) and help him buy a new camera. Let's keep the respect going despite our differing opinions.
 02/03/2008 11:29:04 PM · #95
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
Originally posted by ryand:
I disagree, first off I think it is supposed to be saved for marriage and I would hardly call all of the STD's floating around out there, normal or healthy.

The operative words being "You think".

Don't project your fundamentalist mores on us especially when you make an outrageous statement based on a complete lack of care and selection in a partner or a behavior.

You can choose a partner carefully, think VERY hard about any decision you make, and engage in safe sex if you do make that choice.

Extra-marital means neither promiscuous nor unsafe; don't imply such.


Please take your own advice and don't project your views on us who do view extra-marital sex as promiscuous... By stating "You can..." you are telling the original poster that they are capable and should be willing to do so -- clearly not the case.

You see -- for every person who feels one way, another feels the exact opposite. Hence, a thread like this where people are voicing their opinion and prefacing statements with "I think" or "I believe" will never come to any single, shared conclusion. However, a good debate will theoretically benefit all parties -- at least enlightening them to the other sides views. Attacking, or telling people to hold their views back does not accomplish this at all.

We're clearly off topic at this point with regards to the original post.
 02/03/2008 11:34:24 PM · #96
Originally posted by mjwood0:
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
Extra-marital means neither promiscuous nor unsafe; don't imply such.

Please take your own advice and don't project your views on us who do view extra-marital sex as promiscuous...

It is not a "view", it is a fact. You would be wrong to call extra-marital sex "promiscuous" when two unmarried individuals of either the same or the opposite gender engage in it with one another exclusively.

Message edited by author 2008-02-03 23:35:13.
 02/03/2008 11:36:33 PM · #97
If you let kids watch things like the Discovery Channel, then the A&F ads are simply an extension of all those cool shows on animals and birds. The young men are showing off their tail feathers in hopes of attracting a female of the species with which to mate. Only it's probably best to let the kids know that in addition to a cool set of tail feathers (on either gender of the species), they may want to check out what's behind the eyes of that particular specimen. If you use this analogy, younger children will see the shots and giggle. Older teens will just smile. And many of the females will wonder how they'll ever attract a mate with nice tail feathers if they don't look like the female in the shot, but that's a whole 'nuther story.

What *I* get from the A&F ads: I don't look like that, I've never looked like that, so I don't need to shop there. Besides, they're way too freakin' expensive for clothes that look pre-worn and apparently don't fit well.

From a DPC perspective - nice shots, but hasn't the guy heard of USM? :-)
 02/03/2008 11:39:31 PM · #98
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
Charlene, when you put together your Va-JJ exhibit, I want tickets!


It's so TOTALLY on the my list of photography projects to be completed once I'm good enough that people won't think I'm joking.

In regards to the rest - if the ad violated decency laws in the area it was posted, there you have it. Like someone else said, change the law if it ticks of you off so much.

I just really hope that those of you out there talking about your kids know full well that they're (well, most, maybe not the little-littles) are already familiar with this stuff and have probably seen worse. Let's not pretend that these ads are going to be any kind of new information for them.
 02/03/2008 11:39:46 PM · #99
Originally posted by Louis:
Originally posted by mjwood0:
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
Extra-marital means neither promiscuous nor unsafe; don't imply such.

Please take your own advice and don't project your views on us who do view extra-marital sex as promiscuous...

It is not a "view", it is a fact. You would be wrong to call extra-marital sex "promiscuous" when two unmarried individuals of either the same or the opposite gender engage in it with one another exclusively.


From Miriam Webster, extra-marital implies that a married person is having sex with someone other than their spouse. To many (myself included), this means promiscuous.
 02/03/2008 11:40:46 PM · #100
I too can't believe that a thread started about reaction to A&F's choice of advertising images is now about extra-marital sex. This is a photography site - let's get some perspective here. Who sleeps with who and how isn't even close to relevant to the practice of photography...and whatever anyone's personal view is, what we all share is photography. Thus endeth the sermon.

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