Did a "DPC Revolution" just start?

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01/23/2008 09:49:04 PM · #27

Personally.... I want to compete against the best or the ribbon means nothing....

LanndonKane

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01/23/2008 09:50:36 PM · #28

Originally posted by FocusPoint:

Originally posted by robs:

Originally posted by FocusPoint:
Damned, start challenges once or twice a month which only "no ribboners" can enter. I am sick and tired of hearing "Yeah but why are we punishing ribbon winners" that's not true, I don't punish them NOT everyone here enters to every challenges anyway, why can't we just have once or twice a month "no ribboner challenge" and give opportunity and enthusiasm to other people for god's sake? I don't see DrAchoo or Scalvert entering every challenge, or other ribbon hogs... so? what's the big idea?

I am asking and demanding once or twice a month "no ribboner" members only challenge to encourage membership and photography to new comers.

:(

That works for me but then so does the "master" challenges that we had briefly (I'm old enough here to remember) - not a popular one by doing the opposite of what you suggest either, so I don't think it's likely [and would need coding to enforce anyway] :-/

I think that's a great idea. Coding? I don't think so, just DQ the person who enters has ribbon, if entered "no ribboner" challenge, and other way you DQ if the person has less than 5 ribbons at the entry time... very simple... Still same ribbons, same rules, different subject... I don't see no reason we even have to write code for that!

I don't see how this will work.... after each new person wins a ribbon, we'll have less and less people able to enter the no ribbon challenges. Eventually everyone will have a ribbon, and that defeats the purpose of winning ribbons.

LanndonKane

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01/23/2008 09:52:39 PM · #29

And don't forget people will be winning ribbons in the regular challenges, which further reduces the number of people allowed to enter these special challenges, and speeds up the rate of ribboning.

Message edited by author 2008-01-23 21:52:50.

Mydee1

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01/23/2008 09:54:53 PM · #30

Speaking for myself....I've never won a ribbon...check out my mediocre photo's and verify!!!

Anywho, I want to compete with the Judi's, the Dr. Achoo's and the many best of the best that participate on dpchallenge. Improvement comes by watching the best in ANY business, skill, and or art form and applying their methods and adding your own touches.

Just my thoughts.

01/23/2008 09:57:02 PM · #31

I know from myself when I didn't have ribbons, and if anyone thinks a better idea, I think all SC and Langdon open to suggestions.

I would not say anything if I didn't like this website, and people in it. I don't want nothing more than to have photographers give their best... encourage people to take photos. "fun" is good, but not good enough, winning ribbons, or winning something what fuels us... actually that statement true for life.

I really don't think people here waiting for other ribbon magnets to retire or quit DPC so they will have better chances... they go to the other places, do you think Langdon would want that.

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01/23/2008 10:01:23 PM · #32

Originally posted by LanndonKane:

...Eventually everyone will have a ribbon, and that defeats the purpose of winning ribbons.

If you have 12 challenges, which is once a month, and we are talking about tops 36 people getting ribbon a year... I don't think there will be any shortage of "no ribboners" around here... My goal is to encourage people, not give ribbons away, even it might look that way. They will be as quality as normal challenges, I can bet on it.

Beetle

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01/23/2008 10:05:00 PM · #33

Leo, I really appreciate your efforts.

I"m not sure if your idea is necessarily a really good one, but it is fabulous that you're trying to fix something that at least to some DPC members DOES appear "broken".

I, for one, have given up totally on the ribbon idea, and I'm ok now to just enjoy my photos anyway.

Not everyone can relax enough to get to this point, and it sure would be nice if there some mechanism was in place that would give them a slightly better chance.

oscarthepig

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01/23/2008 10:12:14 PM · #34

Being new and a non-ribboner, maybe I'm out of line but...

I don't see anything wrong with a no-ribbon challenge. It just gives newcomers the same playing field that the original participants had years ago. To see what I mean, just check out the early ribboners in the challenge history. No offense to

drewmedia, but--in my opinion--I don't think

would be considered a blue ribbon winner these days.

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01/23/2008 10:13:23 PM · #35

1-Let's get more ideas that would work, 2-my idea is not bad, because I KNOW people will do their best and more, to win that ribbon... and it won't be that easy... and winners will have as good as photos as the normal challenges.

My other idea was to have different leagues and climb up the league by getting better votes for your entries. Start from league C, climb up to league A... it is easy but still some coding needed which I know Langdon is busy right now with other things. What would be the easiest way to encourage others?

I also insist on hats, mugs and shirts, even they look like jokes to some, they are good ideas, they are glues. If you don't want to give ribbons, give DPC printed hats as awards to "none ribboner" challenges... which also would make ribbon hogs jealous :P

Anyway, yes I am trying, because I have time, and I know they are not bad ideas, someone will think about it someday, or thought about it in the past, we debate on them, talk about them... demand for them.. Whatever necessary to turn heads and make SC and Langdon say "hmmm, maybe I should try this" or just totally ignore it.

oscarthepig to answer to you on that, there were not many people by then, and the people were here were not good as people here now honestly. New places always starts from bottom, but you can't compare past to present, it wouldn't be fair.

Message edited by author 2008-01-23 22:16:09.

Quasimojo

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01/23/2008 10:13:41 PM · #36

Place: 1 out of 9...

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01/23/2008 10:14:32 PM · #37

Originally posted by FocusPoint:

Originally posted by LanndonKane:
...Eventually everyone will have a ribbon, and that defeats the purpose of winning ribbons.

If you have 12 challenges, which is once a month, and we are talking about tops 36 people getting ribbon a year... I don't think there will be any shortage of "no ribboners" around here... My goal is to encourage people, not give ribbons away, even it might look that way. They will be as quality as normal challenges, I can bet on it.

It would look like this: "Hey Deb congrats on your ribbon!" I say "thanks, but it was the non ribboner's challenge" They say "it's still a ribbon though! congrats!" I say "no, I remember when a ribbon was a real ribbon"

I just recently broke a 6! ...and I am a novice photographer. Please don't water down the ribbons; it just won't feel the same when I win one.

wavelength

Nikon D300

01/23/2008 10:17:57 PM · #38

Originally posted by dsterner:

Originally posted by FocusPoint:

Originally posted by LanndonKane:
...Eventually everyone will have a ribbon, and that defeats the purpose of winning ribbons.

If you have 12 challenges, which is once a month, and we are talking about tops 36 people getting ribbon a year... I don't think there will be any shortage of "no ribboners" around here... My goal is to encourage people, not give ribbons away, even it might look that way. They will be as quality as normal challenges, I can bet on it.

It would look like this: "Hey Deb congrats on your ribbon!" I say "thanks, but it was the non ribboner's challenge" They say "it's still a ribbon though! congrats!" I say "no, I remember when a ribbon was a real ribbon"

I just recently broke a 6! ...and I am a novice photographer. Please don't water down the ribbons; it just won't feel the same when I win one.

Yay! I was Elected president! (California, New York, Florida, and Texas votes were excluded in this meeting of the electoral college, and Pennnsylvania, Ohio, Michigan and Illinois. )

01/23/2008 10:21:29 PM · #39

dsterner, none paid users cannot enter to member challenges and if one of the registered users has the best shot but doesn't have money to pay to enter, or simply just don't want to enter, now he/she is still one of us, and he/she probably would win if he/she was a member not only register user... would that make the members only challenges weak challenges thinking not everyone can enter.

Message edited by author 2008-01-23 22:23:11.

glad2badad

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01/23/2008 10:23:06 PM · #40

Originally posted by dsterner:

... Please don't water down the ribbons; it just won't feel the same when I win one.

Well said. I agree.

01/23/2008 10:29:18 PM · #41

Well, I tried...

My last words for those didn't win ribbon for months and years, don't give up. Take your best shots, and be a hog. Don't worry about low scores, think about the next challenge, be creative. There is a tip for you, keep it clean simple and sharp. you will win :)

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01/23/2008 10:33:12 PM · #42

Originally posted by FocusPoint:

It's $25 to be a member, so I think their loss is by choice and they are simply feeling the place out before joining. I love watching my dismal percentile get better. Not long ago my profile page was full of single digit percentile finishes. I'm geting better, but then I have reached out to other members and talk to Teresa, Michelle, Tim, Peter, Rich, Tommy & others regularly. Leroy, Brad, Judy, and Roz have offered some great advice and even reworked images for me. Side challenges work well to get a feeling for how to get better and you can make some great friends that way too. JMHO I want a REAL ribbon one day.

skewsme

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01/23/2008 10:34:35 PM · #43

Originally posted by FocusPoint:

There is a tip for you, keep it clean simple and sharp. you will win :)

But you won't respect yourself in the morning.

01/23/2008 10:36:15 PM · #44

Originally posted by skewsme:

Originally posted by FocusPoint:
There is a tip for you, keep it clean simple and sharp. you will win :)

But you won't respect yourself in the morning.

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01/23/2008 10:36:26 PM · #45

Originally posted by FocusPoint:

You'd think I'd be on your side given my scores...but I'd like to speak up for those who work hard and want the REAL deal. I want the real deal....any one with me?

colorcarnival

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01/23/2008 10:36:43 PM · #46

Originally posted by dsterner:

JMHO I want a REAL ribbon one day.

Hmmm... I do have your mailing addres... now I just have to find a ribbon... :D

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01/23/2008 10:38:56 PM · #47

Originally posted by colorcarnival:

Originally posted by dsterner:
JMHO I want a REAL ribbon one day.

Hmmm... I do have your mailing addres... now I just have to find a ribbon... :D

I did have a bit of an opinion there - didn't I...whew! I was on a rant...where is SC?

slide12345678

Canon EOS-5D

01/23/2008 10:40:00 PM · #48

why don't we just give everyone a ribbon?

isn't that how the world works these days? don't little league baseball teams still get trophies for mediocre second and third place teams? doesn't every kid get a smiley face on their homework? "at least you put in the effort! we're all winners!"

here's my 48th place teal ribbon!

mpeters

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01/23/2008 10:40:33 PM · #49

Originally posted by FocusPoint:

Well, I tried...

My last words for those didn't win ribbon for months and years, don't give up. Take your best shots, and be a hog. Don't worry about low scores, think about the next challenge, be creative. There is a tip for you, keep it clean simple and sharp. you will win :)

I think your idea has merit, however, as many others have said--competing against the whole field makes a ribbon that much cooler.

Believe me, about 1 year into my DPC experience I started a thread about being stuck in mediocrity. A few members, one a 'hog', encouraged me to keep pushing.

I've highlited some good stuff from your quote above.