Did a "DPC Revolution" just start?

01/23/2008 01:49:48 PM · #1

I am looking at the new threads lately, and I am afraid to see bunch of villagers moving into Langdon-town with their torches and pitchforks to demand extreme changes here... no, not to burn the village, but demand changes... big ones.

Message edited by author 2008-01-23 14:36:07.

yanko

Carl Zeiss 50mm ZE f/1.4 Planar T for Canon

01/23/2008 02:19:02 PM · #2

This happens every so often and it's good otherwise there would never be improvements.

Wildcard

Canon EOS-20D

Tamron AF 55-200mm F4-5.6 LD Di-II for Canon

01/23/2008 02:19:54 PM · #3

We can only hope.

01/23/2008 02:33:56 PM · #4

"I'm annoyed"
"Anyone else getting bored with DPC?"
"Attracting new members"

Recent posts,

...and I don't blame any of them. Changes are good, and there are changes being made lately... (Still no mugs shirts or hats, but that's ok). Maybe we are asking to EXPEND a little more. Maybe we just can't fit in this little house anymore, too many members, too many little changes, patches... a renovation should do good but, a big "BUT", unfortunately Langdon is almost alone writing the code himself. It takes more time :/

I don't know. All I know is people might be asking more excitement, better changes... Maybe putting some sort of leagues to DPC and start from the bottom, go all the way up. Earn your place in the league, still get ribbons, in your own league, and jump to earn more at higher levels, nothing like "DPL" but something within DPC itself.

Too much to ask?

Canon EF 24-105mm f/4.0L IS

01/23/2008 05:21:21 PM · #5

Damned, start challenges once or twice a month which only "no ribboners" can enter. I am sick and tired of hearing "Yeah but why are we punishing ribbon winners" that's not true, I don't punish them NOT everyone here enters to every challenges anyway, why can't we just have once or twice a month "no ribboner challenge" and give opportunity and enthusiasm to other people for god's sake? I don't see DrAchoo or Scalvert entering every challenge, or other ribbon hogs... so? what's the big idea?

I am asking and demanding once or twice a month "no ribboner" members only challenge to encourage membership and photography to new comers.

:(

robs

Canon EOS R6 Mk II

01/23/2008 05:32:00 PM · #6

Originally posted by FocusPoint:

That works for me but then so does the "master" challenges that we had briefly (I'm old enough here to remember) - not a popular one by doing the opposite of what you suggest either, so I don't think it's likely [and would need coding to enforce anyway] :-/

01/23/2008 05:35:38 PM · #7

Originally posted by robs:

Originally posted by FocusPoint:
Damned, start challenges once or twice a month which only "no ribboners" can enter. I am sick and tired of hearing "Yeah but why are we punishing ribbon winners" that's not true, I don't punish them NOT everyone here enters to every challenges anyway, why can't we just have once or twice a month "no ribboner challenge" and give opportunity and enthusiasm to other people for god's sake? I don't see DrAchoo or Scalvert entering every challenge, or other ribbon hogs... so? what's the big idea?

I am asking and demanding once or twice a month "no ribboner" members only challenge to encourage membership and photography to new comers.

:(

That works for me but then so does the "master" challenges that we had briefly (I'm old enough here to remember) - not a popular one by doing the opposite of what you suggest either, so I don't think it's likely [and would need coding to enforce anyway] :-/

I think that's a great idea. Coding? I don't think so, just DQ the person who enters has ribbon, if entered "no ribboner" challenge, and other way you DQ if the person has less than 5 ribbons at the entry time... very simple... Still same ribbons, same rules, different subject... I don't see no reason we even have to write code for that!

Canon EF 28-135mm f/3.5-5.6 IS USM

01/23/2008 05:39:30 PM · #8

You want to encourage people to become member, and have them show you better photos, you open the road for them instead of having them race with muscle cars... that's what I am saying... Let them build that muscles first without getting crushed.

Wenders11

Canon EOS-40D

01/23/2008 05:41:11 PM · #9

Ooh, I would love to have a no-ribboner challenge every once in a while! I think that's a great idea. Have a no-ribboner challenge and a masters challenge at the same time. I think change is good, let's shake things up a bit around here!

Simms

Canon EF 24-70mm f/2.8L USM

01/23/2008 05:43:09 PM · #10

Originally posted by FocusPoint:

I am so for having a non-ribboners challenge.. and it would be great if those with ribbons tried to comment on a large % of the entries.. and no, I dont think it would devalue the worth of the ribbon.. You have a good idea there focuspoint, something that has been run a few times.. and on the slip side, whats wrong with a few `masters` challenges every 3 months or so.. invitationals..

Nikon AF-S NIKKOR 24-70mm f/2.8G ED

01/23/2008 05:46:14 PM · #11

Bump.. BUMP all the way.. BUMP until SC locks this thread... BUMP and more BUMP

citymars

Nikon D700

01/23/2008 05:49:16 PM · #12

Originally posted by FocusPoint:

I am asking and demanding once or twice a month "no ribboner" members only challenge to encourage membership and photography to new comers.

We can make demands? Cool!

Nikon AF-S NIKKOR 24-70mm f/2.8G ED

01/23/2008 06:00:02 PM · #13

Ideas like this also encourage people... so, do you have any ideas that "you" can do for new people here?

citymars

Nikon D700

01/23/2008 06:14:48 PM · #14

Originally posted by FocusPoint:

Ideas like this also encourage people... so, do you have any ideas that "you" can do for new people here?

Who, me? I do what I can. I was gently (hopefully) ribbing you about your use of the word "demanding", that's all. No offense intended, Leo.

01/23/2008 06:20:46 PM · #15

Sometimes people like "demands"... asking, requesting doesn't show enough "will"... Not everything demanded came through but there is no harm to demand things anyway... shows strong "will", shows that you really mean it... and I damn do mean it this time.

Beetle

Canon EF 24-105mm f/4.0L IS

01/23/2008 06:38:56 PM · #16

Originally posted by FocusPoint:

unfortunately Langdon is almost alone writing the code himself.

This is something I don't understand.

If improvements can be made for the good of DPC, but it takes some coding and time, then why not do it?

We have about 2700 paid members, the SC doesn't get paid, so that brings in about $67500 per year.
Surely they could afford to pay someone for a few hours of coding!

Langdon (and Drew, if he still exists) aren't providing this site to make us happy.

DPC is a business, and as such it needs to take care of its customers in order to keep them.

Canon EF 200mm f/2.8 L II USM Lens

01/23/2008 06:53:48 PM · #17

Originally posted by Beetle:

DPC is a business, and as such it needs to take care of its customers in order to keep them.

That's where "demanding" comes in ;)

skewsme

Canon EOS-6D

01/23/2008 06:55:02 PM · #18

Originally posted by Wenders11:

that would be cool ;-)

01/23/2008 07:16:16 PM · #19

BUMP

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Damned, start challenges once or twice a month which only "no ribboners" can enter. I am sick and tired of hearing "Yeah but why are we punishing ribbon winners" that's not true, I don't punish them NOT everyone here enters to every challenges anyway, why can't we just have once or twice a month "no ribboner challenge" and give opportunity and enthusiasm to other people for god's sake? I don't see DrAchoo or Scalvert entering every challenge, or other ribbon hogs... so? what's the big idea?

I am asking and demanding once or twice a month "no ribboner" members only challenge to encourage membership and photography to new comers.

:(

Nikon AF-S DX Zoom-Nikkor 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 ED

01/23/2008 08:57:15 PM · #20

BUMP

BeeCee

Nikon D40

01/23/2008 09:03:00 PM · #21

Maybe if the ribbons were labeled "novice" or something. But if the ribbons appeared all the same whether it was won as the best of the best or won as the best of the lesser skilled, that really ISN'T fair to the best of the best.

Conversely, I wouldn't feel the same about winning a ribbon against lower scorers as I did competing against all skill levels.

It would be kind of like the Olympics deciding that every so often they'd not allow the best athletes to compete, so that those with lesser skill/talent could have a chance at a medal.

You can demand, FocusPoint, but you'll get plenty demanding we don't!

Message edited by author 2008-01-23 21:03:53.

Canon EF 24-105mm f/4.0L IS

01/23/2008 09:20:17 PM · #22

I disagree with "novice" idea. What if a pro, new member with no ribbon would enter? or maybe a long time member which enters less, which whom could have very nice photos? As I said before, not everybody enters to every challenge (I am referring to so called more experienced ribbons winners not entering all the challenges). I don't think ribbons should be labeled novice or expert... We don't want to downgrade ribbons, we want to encourage people to do their best and have them get excited because three of them will win ribbons first time. I am not talking about giveaway, no, still a challenge, still needs to be earned.

Here is other thing. Ribbons are encouragement. People win ribbons will enter to regular challenges and will be with big boys... it really doesn't make much of a different but start a nice competition between first timers and encourage people to become members.

scalvert

Canon EOS-5D Mark III

01/23/2008 09:34:59 PM · #23

Whatever you call it, a challenge that prevents past ribbon winners from entering *IS* a downgrade. Most of the regular ribbon winners had modest beginnings (check out

elsapo or

goodman) and honed their skills by competing against everyone. That's the only true measure of progress. Seeing how the top guns approached the same challenge you entered is an important learning tool, and winning a ribbon against a handicapped field is a hollow victory at best. I don't see how winning a ribbon with an asterisk after it encourages anybody... if my best photo appeared in a challenge like that, I'd be disappointed at not knowing how it would have fared in a "real" challenge. :-/

De Sousa

Canon EF 50mm f/1.4 USM

01/23/2008 09:42:40 PM · #24

Originally posted by FocusPoint:

I am asking and demanding once or twice a month "no ribboner" members only challenge to encourage membership and photography to new comers.

This sounds like Paralympics. I think it's a great idea!