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Nikon AF-S NIKKOR 24-70mm f/2.8G ED

12/24/2007 04:39:10 PM · #1

''Looking'' ''at'' ''some'' ''challenge'' ''results'', ''I'' ''thought'' ''that'' ''quite'' ''a'' ''big'' ''portion'' ''of'' ''all'' ''voters'' ''don'''''t'' ''really'' ''care'' ''about'' ''whether'' ''a'' ''photo'' ''is'' ''really'' ''relating'' ''to'' ''the'' ''challenge'' ''topics'' ''when'' ''they'' ''vote''. ''Am'' ''I'' ''alone'' ''on'' ''this''?

Dr.Confuser

Nikon D800

12/24/2007 05:00:54 PM · #2

''I'' ''go'' ''back'' ''and'' ''forth'' ''on'' ''this'' ... ''when'' ''I'' ''shoehorn'' ''an'' ''entry'' ''into'' ''a'' ''challenge'', ''it'' ''seems'' ''that'' ''all'' ''the'' ''world'''''s'' ''a'' ''critic''. ''When'' ''I'' ''nail'' ''a'' ''challenge'', ''no'' ''one'' ''seems'' ''that'' ''exercized'' ''about'' ''fitting'' ''the'' ''theme''. ''Go'' ''figure''.

Yo_Spiff

Olympus OM-D E-M5 Mark III

Olympus 12-100mm f/4.0 M.Zuiko ED IS PRO

12/24/2007 05:10:25 PM · #3

''It'''''s'' ''a'' ''tough'' ''call'', ''and'' ''I'' ''think'' ''it'' ''is'' ''because'' ''whether'' ''or'' ''not'' ''something'' ''fits'' ''the'' ''challenge'' ''is'' ''such'' ''a'' ''subjective'' ''thing''. ''I'' ''vote'' ''based'' ''on'' ''the'' ''quality'' ''of'' ''the'' ''photo'', ''and'' ''my'' ''personal'' ''liking'' ''of'' ''it''. ''The'' ''appropriateness'' ''of'' ''the'' ''shot'' ''may'' ''have'' ''a'' ''minor'' ''bearing'' ''on'' ''my'' ''rating''. ''I'' ''will'' ''make'' ''mention'' ''in'' ''my'' ''comments'' ''If'' ''I'' ''feel'' ''it'' ''really'' ''did'' ''not'' ''fit'' ''the'' ''theme''.

''Maybe'' ''we'' ''need'' ''a'' "''shoehorn''" ''ribbon''?

''Message'' ''edited'' ''by'' ''author'' ''2007''-''12''-''24'' ''17'':''11'':''17''.

Wenders11

Canon EOS-40D

Canon EF 28-135mm f/3.5-5.6 IS USM

12/24/2007 05:10:44 PM · #4

''That'' ''has'' ''always'' ''frustrated'' ''me'' ''a'' ''little''. ''I'''''m'' ''always'' ''afraid'' ''being'' ''a'' ''DNMC'', ''so'' ''I'''''ve'' ''passed'' ''on'' ''several'' ''challenges'', ''only'' ''to'' ''look'' ''at'' ''the'' ''photos'' ''afterwards'' ''and'' ''realize'' ''that'' ''people'' ''were'' ''so'' ''liberal'' ''with'' ''the'' ''description'' ''that'' ''I'' ''had'' ''a'' ''ton'' ''of'' ''photos'' ''I'' ''could'' ''have'' ''used''. ''The'' ''Ebay'' ''one'' ''is'' ''a'' ''good'' ''example''. ''I'' ''couldn'''''t'' ''think'' ''of'' ''anything'' ''creative'' ''enough'' (''I'' ''was'' ''trying'' ''to'' ''think'' ''of'' ''something'' ''involving'' ''some'' ''creative'' ''item'' ''in'' ''a'' ''box'' ''or'' ''something'' ''and'' ''I'' ''just'' ''didn'''''t'' ''have'' ''enough'' ''time'' ''to'' ''think'' ''it'' ''all'' ''through''), ''so'' ''I'' ''passed'' ''on'' ''that'' ''challenge'', ''and'' ''then'' ''the'' ''second'' ''place'' ''winner'' ''is'' ''simply'' ''a'' ''photo'' ''of'' ''some'' ''Christmas'' ''ornaments''. ''Don'''''t'' ''get'' ''me'' ''wrong'', ''it'''''s'' ''an'' ''absolutely'' ''beautiful'' ''shot'', ''but'' ''it'' ''says'' ''nothing'' ''about'' ''Ebay'' ''to'' ''me'' ''at'' ''all''. ''If'' ''I'' ''had'' ''realized'' ''that'' ''we'' ''could'' ''pretty'' ''much'' ''get'' ''away'' ''with'' ''entering'' ''a'' ''pretty'' ''shot'' ''of'' ''any'' ''object'', ''I'' ''could'' ''have'' ''come'' ''up'' ''with'' ''all'' ''sorts'' ''of'' ''things'' ''to'' ''shoot''.

''I'' ''think'' ''I'' ''just'' ''read'' ''too'' ''much'' ''into'' ''the'' ''descriptions''. ''I'' ''agonize'' ''over'' ''the'' ''details'' ''too'' ''much''. ''But'' ''it'' ''will'' ''figure'' ''that'' ''the'' ''one'' ''time'' ''I'' ''decide'' ''to'' ''relax'' ''and'' ''just'' ''enter'' ''something'', ''I'''''ll'' ''get'' ''DNMC'''''d'' ''to'' ''death'', ''so'' ''I'' ''just'' ''keep'' ''on'' ''sticking'' ''close'' ''to'' ''the'' ''descriptions'' ''and'' ''grumbling'' ''when'' ''other'' ''people'' ''don'''''t'', ''lol''.

DistantColours

Canon EOS-7D Mark II

Canon EF 28-135mm f/3.5-5.6 IS USM

12/24/2007 05:20:41 PM · #5

''If'' ''it'' ''doesn'''''t'' ''meet'' ''the'' ''challenge'' ''I'' ''vote'' ''1'' ''no'' ''matter'' ''how'' ''good'' ''the'' ''picture'' ''is''.

Canon EF 24-105mm f/4.0L IS

12/24/2007 05:27:52 PM · #6

''Originally'' ''posted'' ''by'' ''Wenders11'':

''I'' ''am'' ''pretty'' ''new'' ''here'', ''but'' ''also'' ''the'' ''kind'' ''who'' ''is'' ''always'' ''worrying'' ''about'' ''breaking'' ''contest'' ''rules'', ''afraid'' ''of'' ''not'' ''fitting'' ''into'' ''the'' ''topics'':-)

''When'' ''I'' ''look'' ''through'' ''results'', ''I'' ''would'' ''kick'' ''myself'' ''in'' ''the'' ''you'' ''know'' ''where'' ''and'' ''ask'' ''myself'' ''why'' ''did'' ''I'' ''worry'' ''that'' ''much''. ''But'', ''I'' ''know'' ''I'' ''will'' ''do'' ''the'' ''same'' ''again'' ''when'' ''I'' ''start'' ''thinking'' ''about'' ''entering'' ''another'' ''contest''.

''If'' ''not'' ''many'' ''people'' ''care'' ''about'' ''topics'', ''why'' ''don'''''t'' ''we'' ''just'' ''skip'' ''the'' ''tricky'' ''titles'' ''and'' ''use'' ''simple'' ''ones'' ''like'' ''trees'', ''buildings'', ''boats'', ''men'' ''in'' ''black'', ''or'' ''lady'' ''in'' ''red'', ''etc''.?

Beetle

Canon EOS-5D Mark II

12/24/2007 05:34:00 PM · #7

''I'' ''care'' ''very'' ''much'' ''about'' ''topics'' (''as'' ''do'' ''plenty'' ''of'' ''other'' ''people''), ''and'' ''we'' ''have'' ''discussions'' ''like'' ''this'' ''one'' ''about'' ''every'' ''2'' ''months''.

''The'' ''ebay'' ''challenge'' ''probably'' ''isn'''''t'' ''a'' ''good'' ''example'' ''to'' ''pick'' ''for'' ''this'', ''since'' ''you'' ''truly'' ''CAN'' ''buy'' ''the'' ''craziest'' ''things'' ''on'' ''ebay'', ''so'' ''it'' ''just'' ''wouldn'''''t'' ''be'' ''right'' ''to'' ''hand'' ''out'' ''low'' ''scores'' ''just'' ''because'' ''the'' "''purchase''" ''is'' ''a'' ''weird'' ''one'', ''something'' ''you'' ''wouldn'''''t'' ''buy'', ''and''/''or'' ''something'' ''you'' ''wouldn'''''t'' ''normally'' ''find'' ''for'' ''sale''.

''Please'', ''DO'' ''keep'' ''caring'' ''about'' ''the'' ''topic'', ''that'' ''is'' ''what'' ''makes'' ''DPC'' ''special'', ''but'' ''be'' ''sure'' ''to'' ''allow'' ''for'' ''interpretations'' ''that'' ''are'' ''different'' ''to'' ''your'' ''own''.

raish

Olympus C-2500L

Nikon AF Nikkor 50mm f/1.4D

12/24/2007 05:53:35 PM · #8

''Originally'' ''posted'' ''by'' ''DistantColours'':

''If'' ''it'' ''doesn'''''t'' ''meet'' ''the'' ''challenge'' ''I'' ''vote'' ''1'' ''no'' ''matter'' ''how'' ''good'' ''the'' ''picture'' ''is''.

''and'' ''you'''''re'' ''never'' ''wrong'' :-)

Olympus OM-D E-M5 Mark III

12/24/2007 08:03:08 PM · #9

''Originally'' ''posted'' ''by'' ''raish'':

''While'' ''this'' ''way'' ''might'' ''be'' ''a'' ''little'' ''extreme'' ''to'' ''me'', ''but'' ''the'' ''other'' ''way'' (''don'''''t'' ''care'' ''about'' ''relevance'' ''at'' ''all'') ''is'' ''much'' ''worse

Yo_Spiff

Olympus 12-100mm f/4.0 M.Zuiko ED IS PRO

12/24/2007 11:59:45 PM · #10

''This'' ''has'' ''given'' ''me'' ''some'' ''thought''. ''It'''''s'' ''not'' ''right'' ''to'' ''give'' ''a'' ''high'' ''score'' ''to'' ''something'' ''that'' ''is'' ''clearly'' ''not'' ''on'' ''topic'', ''but'' ''it'''''s'' ''also'' ''shorting'' ''someone'' ''on'' ''their'' ''personal'' ''interpretation'' ''if'' ''I'' ''hand'' ''out'' ''a'' ''1'' ''to'' ''an'' ''otherwise'' ''great'' ''shot''.

''I'' ''may'' ''start'' ''giving'' ''a'' ''vote'' ''of'' ''1'' ''less'' ''than'' ''it'' ''would'' ''have'' ''otherwise'' ''received'' ''if'' ''I'' ''see'' ''a'' ''clear'' ''and'' ''obvious'' ''shoehorn'' ''attempt''. ''If'' ''I'' ''do'' ''this'' ''I'' ''will'' ''also'' ''make'' ''note'' ''in'' ''my'' ''comments''. ''The'' ''person'' ''will'' ''then'' ''at'' ''their'' ''discretion'' ''be'' ''able'' ''to'' ''explain'' ''to'' ''me'' ''why'' ''it'' ''does'' ''fit''.

''Think'' ''that'' ''would'' ''be'' ''fair''?

JBHale

Canon EOS-20D

Canon EF 24-85mm f/3.5-4.5 USM

12/25/2007 02:41:55 AM · #11

''I'' ''usually'' ''give'' ''people'' ''a'' ''2'' ''if'' ''it'''''s'' ''a'' ''shoehorn'' ''but'' ''all'' ''the'' ''technicals'' ''are'' ''good''.

Melethia

Canon EOS-80D

Canon EF 24-105mm f/4.0L IS

12/25/2007 02:57:44 AM · #12

''I'' ''think'' ''we'' ''need'' ''a'' ''shoehorn'' ''challenge''. :-)

Yo_Spiff

Olympus OM-D E-M5 Mark III

Olympus 12-100mm f/4.0 M.Zuiko ED IS PRO

12/25/2007 03:43:26 AM · #13

''Originally'' ''posted'' ''by'' ''Melethia'':

''I'' ''think'' ''we'' ''need'' ''a'' ''shoehorn'' ''challenge''. :-)

''Isn'''''t'' ''that'' ''called'' "''Free'' ''Study''"?

Melethia

Canon EOS-80D

Canon EF 24-105mm f/4.0L IS

12/25/2007 05:43:51 AM · #14

''No'', ''a'' ''shoehorn'' ''challenge''. ''We'' ''have'' ''to'' ''find'' ''clever'' ''ways'' ''to'' ''present'' ''an'' ''actual'' ''shoehorn''. :-)

JimiRose

Nikon D90

Nikon AF-S DX 18-105 f/3.5-5.6 ED VR

12/25/2007 10:16:41 AM · #15

''It'' ''is'' ''a'' ''toughy'' ''this'', ''however'', ''although'' ''i'''''ve'' ''not'' ''been'' ''with'' ''the'' ''site'' ''very'' ''long'', ''the'' ''top'' ''shots'' ''always'' ''seem'' ''to'' ''me'' ''to'' ''fulfill'' ''the'' ''criteria'' ''of'' ''revelance'' ''and'' ''quality'', ''so'' ''i'''''m'' ''not'' ''really'' ''complaining''!

levyj413

Apple iPhone 15 Pro Max

Tamron SP AF 17-50mm f/2.8 Di II LD Aspherical (IF) for Nikon

12/25/2007 11:15:34 AM · #16

''Originally'' ''posted'' ''by'' ''Melethia'':

''No'', ''a'' ''shoehorn'' ''challenge''. ''We'' ''have'' ''to'' ''find'' ''clever'' ''ways'' ''to'' ''present'' ''an'' ''actual'' ''shoehorn''. :-)

''Someone'' ''will'' ''put'' ''it'' ''in'' ''the'' ''hands'' ''of'' ''a'' ''half''-''naked'' ''gorgeous'' ''woman'' ''with'' ''a'' ''butterfly'' ''on'' ''her'' ''shoulder'', ''a'' ''puppy'' ''at'' ''her'' ''heels'', ''and'' ''a'' ''waterfall'' ''behind'' ''her''. ''Oh'', ''and'' ''they'''''ll'' ''mist'' ''water'' ''droplets'' ''on'' ''the'' ''shoehorn''. ''8''.''0''+!

''Not'' ''that'' ''I'' ''ever'' ''shoot'' ''DPC'' ''cliches''. ''Nope''. ''Not'' ''me''. *''whistles'' ''innocently''*

''Back'' ''to'' ''the'' ''topic'' ''at'' ''hand'', ''I'' ''encourage'' ''people'' ''to'' ''do'' ''two'' ''things'' ''simultaneously'': ''1'') ''Vote'' ''low'' ''on'' ''shots'' ''that'' ''don'''''t'' ''meet'' ''the'' ''challenge'' ''and'' ''2'') ''Vastly'' ''expand'' ''the'' ''possible'' ''interpretations'' ''and'' ''be'' ''aware'' ''that'' ''you'' ''may'' ''now'' ''know'' ''everything'' ''about'' ''how'' ''a'' ''global'' ''membership'' ''might'' ''interpret'' ''it''.

''If'' ''I'' ''just'' ''can'''''t'' ''find'' ''a'' ''way'' ''to'' ''fit'' ''an'' ''otherwise'' ''wonderful'' ''shot'' ''into'' ''the'' ''challenge'', ''I'' ''usually'' ''vote'' ''5'' ''or'' ''so''. ''On'' ''the'' ''other'' ''hand'', ''if'' ''someone'' ''finds'' ''a'' ''novel'' ''way'' ''of'' ''interpreting'' ''it'', ''I'' ''might'' ''bump'' ''the'' ''score'' ''a'' ''point'' ''or'' ''two''.

NikonJeb

Nikon D850

Nikon AF-S Nikkor 28-300mm f3.5-5.6G ED VR

12/25/2007 03:19:28 PM · #17

''Originally'' ''posted'' ''by'' ''DistantColours'':

''If'' ''it'' ''doesn'''''t'' ''meet'' ''the'' ''challenge'' ''I'' ''vote'' ''1'' ''no'' ''matter'' ''how'' ''good'' ''the'' ''picture'' ''is''.

''The'' ''problem'' ''is'' ''in'' ''the'' ''interpretation''.

''Take'' ''the'' ''Perspective'' ''challenge'' ''for'' ''instance''......''is'' ''a'' ''shot'' ''upwards'' ''of'' ''a'' ''Great'' ''Dane'' ''taken'' ''from'' ''laying'' ''on'' ''the'' ''ground'' ''any'' ''less'' ''meeting'' ''the'' ''challenge'' ''than'' ''the'' ''vanishing'' ''lines'' ''of'' ''a'' ''railroad'' ''track'' ''in'' ''a'' ''tunnel''?

''One'''''s'' ''visual'' ''perspective'', ''and'' ''the'' ''other'' ''is'' ''a'' ''different'' ''perspective'' ''on'' ''a'' ''visual''.

''Both'' ''definitely'' ''meet'' ''the'' ''challenge'', ''correct''?

''And'' ''either'' ''perspective'' ''could'' ''have'' ''a'' ''dramatic'' ''effect'' ''on'' ''the'' ''image'', ''done'' ''correctly''.

''It'''''s'' ''all'' ''too'' ''often'' ''difficult'' ''to'' ''ascertain'' ''what'' ''someone'' ''else'''''s'' ''interpretation'' ''may'' ''be'', ''so'' '''voting' ''someone'' ''else'' ''a'' ''1'' ''may'' ''not'' ''be'' ''fair''; ''it'' ''may'' ''simply'' ''mean'' ''that'' ''you'' ''missed'' ''their'' ''presentation'' ''entirely''.

Of course, the object is to be able to convey that in your image, but it's not always the fault of the photographer, if YOU don't get it!.....8>)

tnun

Ricoh GR III

Pentax DA 18-135mm F3.5-5.6ED AL [IF] WR DC

12/25/2007 03:45:38 PM · #18

''Maybe'' ''I'' ''will'' ''get'' ''a'' ''Great'' ''Dane'' ''AND'' ''a'' ''shoehorn'' ''for'' ''Xmas'', ''but'' ''then'' ''I'' ''would'' ''have'' ''to'' ''decide''....

Nikon AF-S NIKKOR 24-70mm f/2.8G ED

12/26/2007 08:12:19 AM · #19

''Originally'' ''posted'' ''by'' ''Beetle'':

''Any'' ''thoughts'' ''on'' ''the'' ''Hidden'' ''City ''challenge''?

Dirt_Diver

Nikon D3s

12/26/2007 08:30:17 AM · #20

''Originally'' ''posted'' ''by'' ''DistantColours'':

''If'' ''it'' ''doesn'''''t'' ''meet'' ''the'' ''challenge'' ''I'' ''vote'' ''1'' ''no'' ''matter'' ''how'' ''good'' ''the'' ''picture'' ''is''.

''In'' ''the'' ''eys'' ''of'' ''many'' ''that'' ''is'' ''not'' ''fair''. ''Not'' ''saying'' ''that'' ''I'' ''do'' ''or'' ''don'''''t'' ''that'' ''but'' ''in'' ''the'' ''rules'' ''of'' '''voting' ''that'' ''is'' ''not'' ''allowed''.

eschelar

Canon EOS-7D

Canon EF-S 17-55mm f/2.8 IS USM

12/26/2007 08:34:46 AM · #21

''Originally'' ''posted'' ''by'' ''Dr''.''Confuser'':

''Interesting''. ''Think'' ''of'' ''this'' ''like'' ''a'' ''bathroom''. ''if'' ''you'' ''walk'' ''into'' ''the'' ''wrong'' ''bathroom'', ''people'' ''are'' ''going'' ''to'' ''say'' ''something''. ''If'' ''you'' ''walk'' ''into'' ''the'' ''correct'' ''bathroom'', ''nobody'' ''says'' ''a'' ''thing''.

''The'' ''challenge'' ''descriptions'' ''are'' ''there'' ''as'' ''a'' ''basic'' ''definition'' ''of'' ''what'' ''ought'' ''to'' ''be'' ''there''. ''Nobody'' ''really'' ''should'' ''get'' ''excited'' ''about'' ''fitting'' ''it''. ''Sometimes'' ''there'' ''are'' ''some'' ''that'' ''go'' ''really'' ''well'' ''together'' ''because'' ''the'' ''challenge'' ''description'' ''has'' ''a'' ''trickier'' ''wording'', ''but'' ''generally'' ''you'' ''either'' ''fit'' ''the'' ''description'' ''or'' ''not''.

''Incidentally'', ''I'' ''put'' ''an'' ''idea'' ''a'' ''while'' ''back'' ''on'' ''web'' ''site'' ''suggestions'' ''that'' ''outlined'' ''a'' ''very'' ''clear'' ''and'' ''simple'' ''solution'' ''for'' ''this'' ''problem''. ''The'' ''idea'' ''met'' ''with'' ''very'' ''little'' ''opposition'' ''and'' ''was'' ''regarded'' ''by'' ''many'' ''as'' ''a'' ''pretty'' ''decent'' ''idea''. ''The'' ''SC'' ''responded'' ''directly'' ''that'' ''there'' ''was'' ''a'' ''plan'' ''in'' ''motion'' ''that'' ''was'' ''similar'' ''but'' ''not'' ''quite'' ''the'' ''same'' ''for'' ''the'' ''challenges''. ''The'' ''idea'' ''is'' ''here ''if'' ''anyone'' ''cares''.

''I'''''ve'' ''not'' ''seen'' ''anything'' ''to'' ''reflect'' ''this'' ''and'' ''my'' ''interest'' ''in'' ''the'' ''challenges'' ''is'' ''at'' ''a'' ''new'' ''low''.

''Message'' ''edited'' ''by'' ''author'' ''2007''-''12''-''26'' ''08'':''56'':''41''.

eschelar

Canon EOS-7D

Canon EF-S 17-55mm f/2.8 IS USM

12/26/2007 08:38:03 AM · #22

''Originally'' ''posted'' ''by'' ''Dirt_Diver'':

''Originally'' ''posted'' ''by'' ''DistantColours'':
''If'' ''it'' ''doesn'''''t'' ''meet'' ''the'' ''challenge'' ''I'' ''vote'' ''1'' ''no'' ''matter'' ''how'' ''good'' ''the'' ''picture'' ''is''.

''In'' ''the'' ''eys'' ''of'' ''many'' ''that'' ''is'' ''not'' ''fair''. ''Not'' ''saying'' ''that'' ''I'' ''do'' ''or'' ''don'''''t'' ''that'' ''but'' ''in'' ''the'' ''rules'' ''of'' '''voting' ''that'' ''is'' ''not'' ''allowed''.

''You'' ''might'' ''want'' ''to'' ''read'' ''the'' ''rules'' ''again'' ''then''.

'''Voting' ''as'' ''you'' ''see'' ''fit'' ''is'' ''entirely'' ''the'' ''purpose'' ''of'' '''voting'. ''Additionally'', ''using'' ''your'' ''interpretation'' (''impractical'' ''to'' ''use'' ''anyone'' ''else'''''s'') ''to'' ''adjust'' ''your'' ''votes'' ''according'' ''to'' ''meeting'' ''the'' ''challenge'' ''is'' ''SPECIFICALLY'' ''what'' ''you'' ''ARE'' ''supposed'' ''to'' ''do''. ''If'' ''that'' ''means'' '''voting' ''it'' ''a'' ''1'', ''then'' ''so'' ''be'' ''it''.

''What'' ''isn'''''t'' ''fair'' ''is'' '''voting' ''1'' ''for'' ''no'' ''particular'' ''reason'' ''no'' ''matter'' ''how'' ''good'' ''the'' ''picture'' ''is''.

''The'' ''ability'' ''of'' ''the'' ''picture'' ''to'' ''fit'' ''the'' ''challenge'' ''description'' ''is'' ''a'' ''legitimate'' ''reason''.

''Originally'' ''posted'' ''by'' ''the'' '''Voting' ''Rules'' ''Page'':

''You'' ''should'':
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''consider'' ''the'' ''challenge'' ''topic'' ''when'' '''voting', ''and'' ''adjust'' ''your'' ''score'' ''accordingly''.
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''Message'' ''edited'' ''by'' ''author'' ''2007''-''12''-''26'' ''08'':''44'':''03''.