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 12/07/2007 06:01:02 PM · #26
I'm all for equality and political correctness but this he/she/partner talk is all a bit pedantic...

Back on topic:

Originally posted by dknourek:
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Originally posted by Jib:


does this ever piss anyone else off, or is it just me?


It's just you.


Yup have to agree with Spazmo99 and most of the others, sorry its you buddy...

Just a side thought though, was your knowledge of photography genetically encoded in to your mind? Or did you actually learn how to use your camera from a book or someone else? I'm not trying to be snarky here but we all have to start somewhere...

-dave


For me the frustration lies not with beginners (and I include myself in that bracket though unlike my friend I have a basic knowledge of aperture, shutter speed, ISO etc.) but with seeing really fantastic equipment not being used to its full potential. Some people do believe that the most expensive equipment is going to give them the best photos, and they would IMO do better to learn on S3's or G9's or similar...

12/07/2007 06:36:48 PM · #27
Originally posted by BeeCee:
Then just change the word "husband's" to "partner's" and all is good, and we can get back to original topic :)

Btw, the use of the masculine when gender is unknown is still proper grammar...


Oh, absolutely. Mother + partner = in all likelihood husband was my thinking. I got no problem with same-gender marriages; in fact, I am about to feed such a couple some killer chili momentarily...

R.
 12/07/2007 06:56:33 PM · #28
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by BeeCee:
Then just change the word "husband's" to "partner's" and all is good, and we can get back to original topic :)

Btw, the use of the masculine when gender is unknown is still proper grammar...


Oh, absolutely. Mother + partner = in all likelihood husband was my thinking. I got no problem with same-gender marriages; in fact, I am about to feed such a couple some killer chili momentarily...

R.


While Massachusetts might allow "marriages" ... Same-gender partnerships don't enjoy benefit of marriage in all states...cause you know, some states might run out or something...
 12/07/2007 07:53:31 PM · #29
Originally posted by Bear_Music:

Oh, absolutely. Mother + partner = in all likelihood husband was my thinking. I got no problem with same-gender marriages; in fact, I am about to feed such a couple some killer chili momentarily...

R.


Need help with the bodies?? Or should I just alert the FBI to your sneaky ways?? ;)
 12/08/2007 10:44:12 PM · #30
about the husband thing... she is a single mother... no child support... a piolet actually... i am friends with her im just kind of moreenvious i guess is what all you call it... in fact im kind of happy she has it... cause her son is a good friend of mine... and she knows i have an SLR and askes me for advice, which i giveout willingly... i was out snowboarding when i recieved a call from a strange cell number... it was her she is sick and needs someone to fill in for her to take pictures of the wrestling team and im the only one she trusts with her camera....so i feel kind of bad now wish i could tke a few words back... but i gladly accepted her request... so liiks like im going to have a 1D Mark II on my hands for 2-3weeks !
 12/09/2007 11:23:29 PM · #31
Hey, the more people buy cameras, the cheaper they get, so I'm all for it. If they can't use them, they are still helping the world of photography, because it makes the gear more affordable for people who can use it well. :) And hey, if you help her out, she might lend you stuff sometime.
12/10/2007 12:17:10 AM · #32
I can understand the OP's frustration. Many of us have to scrape and save loose change for every new piece of gear, so seeing someone who went out and bought top-of-the-line equipment and has no idea how to use it would irritate me, too. Perhaps it's silly (snobbish), but I'd grumble and roll my eyes.

Now granted, if they were going to learn photography and work at it, that's one thing. But if she's just a soccer-mom who had to have something "better than" a P&S, then she's a snob too. And I'm a firm believer that people who do not know how[i/] to operate a piece of equipment should not be [i]allowed to use it.
 12/10/2007 07:02:12 AM · #33
Originally posted by Jib:
about the husband thing... she is a single mother... no child support... a piolet actually... i am friends with her im just kind of moreenvious i guess is what all you call it... in fact im kind of happy she has it... cause her son is a good friend of mine... and she knows i have an SLR and askes me for advice, which i giveout willingly... i was out snowboarding when i recieved a call from a strange cell number... it was her she is sick and needs someone to fill in for her to take pictures of the wrestling team and im the only one she trusts with her camera....so i feel kind of bad now wish i could tke a few words back... but i gladly accepted her request... so liiks like im going to have a 1D Mark II on my hands for 2-3weeks !

You should marry her, that way you'll have access to the 1D Mark II all the time.
 12/10/2007 07:54:29 AM · #34
Originally posted by OdysseyF22:
... And I'm a firm believer that people who do not know how[i/] to operate a piece of equipment should not be [i]allowed to use it.


If indeed this was a mandated pre-requisite, I am of the opinion that our roads would be much safer, but alas, such is not the case.

I am somewhat intrigued by your comment. Does this mean that you are fully cognizant of the operations of every single item you use in your daily life.

I have found that during emergency situations, the number of people that can fend for themselves is rather limited and that at the onset of such scenarios they must rely on the intervention of others.

Ray
 12/10/2007 12:12:56 PM · #35
Originally posted by RayEthier:
If indeed this was a mandated pre-requisite, I am of the opinion that our roads would be much safer, but alas, such is not the case.

I am somewhat intrigued by your comment. Does this mean that you are fully cognizant of the operations of every single item you use in your daily life.

I have found that during emergency situations, the number of people that can fend for themselves is rather limited and that at the onset of such scenarios they must rely on the intervention of others.

Ray

Alas, it is not the case, although I agree with you, the roads would be MUCH safer. (For instance, 4-wheel drive does NOT mean you can do 40 mph through the snow and still be in control...)

I wish I could claim that I was a master of every single item I use, although that would probably be impossible. But I do make a decided effort to, at the very least, understand the theory behind the equipment I use. I know how an internal combustion engine works, I know how most of the systems in my car operate, even if I couldn't necessarily repair them myself. Likewise with aircraft, boats, computers, cameras, microwaves, whatever. But then again, I like knowing how things work.

During emergency situations, most people panic, which is a good first step to dying. Panic never helped anyone, and I believe that if most people were able to stop and think clearly for a moment, they'd be able to do at least some fending for themselves. And if they understood how equipment around them worked, it would doubtlessly be more useful to them.


12/10/2007 12:20:10 PM · #36
Originally posted by OdysseyF22:

Alas, it is not the case, although I agree with you, the roads would be MUCH safer. (For instance, 4-wheel drive does NOT mean you can do 40 mph through the snow and still be in control...)


Lies! Damned lies! 4 wheel drive lets you race through snow at any speed you wish.

The subsequent inability to stop is the only problem.
 12/10/2007 01:39:33 PM · #37
Originally posted by OdysseyF22:
During emergency situations, most people panic, which is a good first step to dying. Panic never helped anyone, and I believe that if most people were able to stop and think clearly for a moment, they'd be able to do at least some fending for themselves.

I highly recommend an old story/novella by Theodore Sturgeon called The (Widget), The (Wadget) and Boff for an alternative perspective on this particular phenomenon.
 12/10/2007 02:58:32 PM · #38
Who gives a damn about if she is single/married or what ever.

What pisses me off is your attitude toward a friends mother. A kind young kid of "mine" who is knowledgible about photographic stuff, had better help a friend's mom. Or I would ground him and take his camera away until he learns respect. I guess it a generation gap or something. I would spend time helping her, just because its a friend's mom. I do it all the time with my daughter's friends parents who are just getting to digital photography. I remember when I was 12, I taught a friend's mother how to play chess. After three months of lessons, she was able to compete locally in tournaments and win. Next time just be kind and help someone who maybe trying.
 12/10/2007 03:06:22 PM · #39
lol this thread is still going....

I would have helped her out...lol it would not have bothered me that she had top of the line equipment or that her gear was better than mine and she knew nothing at all about how to use it.

lol... it may have been a gift or she may have been one of those people whom like to buy the best stuff but who knows.... anyway I would have helped her and telling her "hey thats an awesome camera" and the showed her some settings to use or some pointers. Lets all remember their was a time when we did not know our camera.

And also we all help each other out here. So I would have helped her and it would not have bothered me at all
 12/10/2007 03:07:15 PM · #40
Originally posted by digitalpins:

And also we all help each other out here. So I would have helped her and it would not have bothered me at all


The real question here is - is she hot?
 12/10/2007 03:30:20 PM · #41
Originally posted by routerguy666:
Originally posted by digitalpins:

And also we all help each other out here. So I would have helped her and it would not have bothered me at all


The real question here is - is she hot?


it was just a matter of time for that question to surface... ;)

-dave
 12/10/2007 03:38:37 PM · #42
Originally posted by dknourek:
Originally posted by routerguy666:
Originally posted by digitalpins:

And also we all help each other out here. So I would have helped her and it would not have bothered me at all


The real question here is - is she hot?


it was just a matter of time for that question to surface... ;)

-dave


lol... sooner or later that was coming
 12/10/2007 04:19:00 PM · #43
Originally posted by vtruan:
Who gives a damn about if she is single/married or what ever.

What pisses me off is your attitude toward a friends mother. A kind young kid of "mine" who is knowledgible about photographic stuff, had better help a friend's mom. Or I would ground him and take his camera away until he learns respect. I guess it a generation gap or something. I would spend time helping her, just because its a friend's mom. I do it all the time with my daughter's friends parents who are just getting to digital photography. I remember when I was 12, I taught a friend's mother how to play chess. After three months of lessons, she was able to compete locally in tournaments and win. Next time just be kind and help someone who maybe trying.


Originally posted by digitalpins:
lol this thread is still going....

I would have helped her out...lol it would not have bothered me that she had top of the line equipment or that her gear was better than mine and she knew nothing at all about how to use it.

lol... it may have been a gift or she may have been one of those people whom like to buy the best stuff but who knows.... anyway I would have helped her and telling her "hey thats an awesome camera" and the showed her some settings to use or some pointers. Lets all remember their was a time when we did not know our camera.

And also we all help each other out here. So I would have helped her and it would not have bothered me at all


Apparently you both missed the part where he said that "he was happy to help her out" and then his subsequent post where he said that she called him to do some work for her since he had helped her out earlier...
 12/10/2007 04:20:23 PM · #44
thanks yes I missed that..oops....sorry about that... lol

Message edited by author 2007-12-10 16:20:52.
 12/10/2007 04:51:07 PM · #45
Then why was he pissed?

Message edited by author 2007-12-10 17:06:39.
 12/10/2007 05:16:05 PM · #46
Originally posted by vtruan:
Then why was he pissed?

he was pissed at the fact that his friend's mom has the money to go out and buy pro-level stuff without even knowing how to use its potential ... meanwhile he is "making due" with his XTi and consumer-grade lenses as a more advanced photographer.
 12/10/2007 05:18:38 PM · #47
Still no answer to the hotness factor, and I feel this information weighs heavily both on the question of how much assistance to provide and possibly providing a resolution to your own gear envy...
 12/10/2007 07:23:57 PM · #48
Originally posted by Creature:
Originally posted by vtruan:
Then why was he pissed?

he was pissed at the fact that his friend's mom has the money to go out and buy pro-level stuff without even knowing how to use its potential ... meanwhile he is "making due" with his XTi and consumer-grade lenses as a more advanced photographer.


I think I finally get it, a car dealer type person talked her into buying what she really needed. I can see why he was pissed now, she was taken by a commissioned saleman. I'd be pissed too if that was what was the point. ;)
 12/10/2007 07:45:23 PM · #49
Originally posted by routerguy666:
Still no answer to the hotness factor, and I feel this information weighs heavily both on the question of how much assistance to provide and possibly providing a resolution to your own gear envy...


Yes, determination of MILF status is essential.
 12/11/2007 11:08:51 PM · #50
she is MILF material...myspace-linkage time...

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