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11/23/2007 10:06:27 AM · #1
So we all know Jill Greenberg. We talked about her before but what I want to discuss now is her lighting. In a recent article in Rangefinder(I think) she talked about photos with crying kids and she said that her lighting setup is secret.

So how about we take a crack at it and try to figure out how her lights were setup in those photographs of those crying kids.

Website: //www.manipulator.com/
Gallery: End Times

What do you think?
11/23/2007 10:34:01 AM · #2
WOWOWOWOW... Now that's some work. I LOVE the whole thing, and I really am jealous envy... whatever... awesome awesome...

You got to see this one.
11/23/2007 10:34:35 AM · #3
The Crying Game
coolhunting
GMA

She likes that Ring Light, for sure. I was looking at a poster of hers (probably Cristine Applegate) and it appeared that she cloned in the hole from the catch light left by the ring.

From some footage I saw of her shooting it simply looks like she side lit and used the ring. Her PP skills really bring things out. She definitely doesn't adhere the Basic Editing rules.
11/23/2007 10:47:46 AM · #4
It reminds me of some of the post-processing I've seen in susi's portfolio;

11/23/2007 10:48:04 AM · #5
Ohhh, she's awesome, I've been following her for months... absolutely love the children photos she did.

I have no idea about her lighting... but would love to know ;)
11/23/2007 10:53:24 AM · #6
Her lighting system consists of this:

Two big brollies,
ringlight,
twin back/rimlights,
an overhead beauty dish and a background light

That's a lot of lights. And probably some baby oil too. It's like butterfly lighting taken to the extreme.
11/23/2007 10:56:34 PM · #7
Originally posted by Tez:

Her lighting system consists of this:

Two big brollies,
ringlight,
twin back/rimlights,
an overhead beauty dish and a background light

That's a lot of lights. And probably some baby oil too. It's like butterfly lighting taken to the extreme.


You sure those are brollies and not silver umbrellas? What do you think the light ratio is, approximatelly?
11/24/2007 07:56:12 AM · #8
A brolly is an umbrella...

As for lighting ratios: I've no idea. Trial and error could tell you the answer.
11/24/2007 08:21:04 AM · #9
whatever it is I'm sure she paid a lot of money for it all.
11/24/2007 09:21:33 AM · #10
I think her camera is one of the best brands Hasselblad, and cost around 30 G.
11/24/2007 10:43:46 AM · #11
Originally posted by FocusPoint:

I think her camera is one of the best brands Hasselblad, and cost around 30 G.


She could produce the same shots with a $300 D-Rebel...

Message edited by author 2007-11-24 10:44:02.
11/24/2007 11:30:43 AM · #12
Originally posted by doctornick:

Originally posted by FocusPoint:

I think her camera is one of the best brands Hasselblad, and cost around 30 G.


She could produce the same shots with a $300 D-Rebel...

She couldn't get beautiful large-format prints out of the shots though.
11/24/2007 11:57:25 AM · #13
My word that lawyer in the 'crying game' discussion was insufferable...
11/24/2007 01:02:00 PM · #14
Originally posted by Tez:

A brolly is an umbrella...

....


well almost

//www.white-lightning.com/images/brollybox2.jpg
//www.white-lightning.com/images/twbsquare.jpg

Are they really the same as far as light they produce? What are the differences?
11/24/2007 01:05:49 PM · #15
her photo's and especially the conceptual ones are great, but after looking at about 7 or 8 the gimmick she does becomes annoying :-) all the photo's are so shiny!

still...I wish I was in her shoes though ;-)
11/24/2007 01:08:37 PM · #16
Originally posted by Nikolai1024:

Are they really the same as far as light they produce? What are the differences?

Tez is British. In British slang, a "brolly" is an umbrella. Perhaps he was using the slang to describe a regular umbrella?
11/24/2007 01:22:14 PM · #17
Originally posted by Nikolai1024:

Originally posted by Tez:

A brolly is an umbrella...

....


well almost

//www.white-lightning.com/images/brollybox2.jpg
//www.white-lightning.com/images/twbsquare.jpg

Are they really the same as far as light they produce? What are the differences?


A brollybox isn't an umbrella. In case you're unaware, a 'brolly' is an english slang term for an umbrella... don't ask me why. Thanks to Louis for pointing that out too :).

A brolly box is supposed to offer the best of both an umbrella and a softbox by combining the two together, although you can get pretty much the same results by shooting through a soft white umbrella, and save yourself a lot of cash, i can only assume the box offers less spill of light outside the brolly because there's nowhere it can diffuse to, but then again, I can just get a snoot on a flash into a shoot through and ba da bing... but hey, if i had the spare cash it might be good fun.


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