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11/09/2007 05:02:09 PM · #1 |
I'm selling a large number of cityscape prints and recently I have received some requests for fire truck prints. I stopped by a local firehouse and spoke with some guys who directed me toward the local Fire Chief. We are trying to work something out that will work for both of us like maybe a fundraiser from part of the proceeds. If the deal goes good I will have access to shoot whatever trucks wherever I want. I already have photos that I took of the trucks if the deal goes south can I use the photos in my collection or does the city own the rights to the photos. I am in a similar position of a local Jazz district the city owns the buildings can I profit off of the buildings without a property release? These photos are only to be used as fine art photography if this is any help. Thank You Also if someone knows a source where I can read up on the laws that would be nice.
Message edited by author 2007-11-09 17:38:29. |
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11/09/2007 07:35:40 PM · #2 |
You generally dont need a property or model release until an image has a use. The method in which an image is to be used generally determines if a release is needed or not.
In the case of a fire truck, if it has any recognizable manufacturers logos etc they would likely be the people that need to give you permission and not the actual fire dept itself.
If the image and content of the image is going to be used in an editorial fashion, which can include books, newspaper etc, then a release isnt needed at all and falls under fair use.
check out Dan Hellers site he has some good info on releases. |
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11/09/2007 07:55:19 PM · #3 |
Originally posted by Snake:
These photos are only to be used as fine art photography if this is any help. Thank You Also if someone knows a source where I can read up on the laws that would be nice. |
Sold as individual "fine art prints" you should only need permission from the head of the Fire Department* -- the logos on the truck should not matter unless you clearly make them the main subject of the photo. You should get model releases from any identifiable people (if any).
Good resources for copyright and IP law information are the US Copyright Office and Nolo Press.
I'm curious as to how this project goes -- I've been considering an idea which involves photographing local fire trucks, and wasn't sure how to approach the Fire Department.
*... or the head of the Department of Homeland Security ...
Message edited by author 2007-11-09 19:57:10. |
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11/09/2007 08:30:24 PM · #4 |
One thing my industry tends to do, when we are not striking, is when in a public area, and releases are impossible because there are tons of civilians walking about, signs are put up, in big bold, easy to read sentences, stating that there is a film, video, or photography shoot happening.... " by entering the area where the production crew is shooting, you, the civilian, non production personnel, has given the right to use your image, or the likeness of your person to use in any production weather it be print, televised, or internet."
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11/09/2007 08:45:43 PM · #5 |
Originally posted by Man_Called_Horse:
One thing my industry tends to do, when we are not striking, is when in a public area, and releases are impossible because there are tons of civilians walking about, signs are put up, in big bold, easy to read sentences, stating that there is a film, video, or photography shoot happening.... " by entering the area where the production crew is shooting, you, the civilian, non production personnel, has given the right to use your image, or the likeness of your person to use in any production weather it be print, televised, or internet." |
Would printing that on my business card and sticking it in my hatband constitute fair notice? ;-) |
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11/09/2007 08:58:08 PM · #6 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
*... or the head of the Department of Homeland Security ... |
Well, if we hear about your release from Gitmo in 10 years or so, we'll know it went poorly. |
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11/09/2007 09:07:28 PM · #7 |
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Originally posted by GeneralE:
*... or the head of the Department of Homeland Security ... |
Well, if we hear about your release from Gitmo in 10 years or so, we'll know it went poorly. |
¡Si Señor! |
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11/09/2007 09:19:33 PM · #8 |
Dan hellers site was very helpfull My photos are only selling as fine art. I think I will be ok. I will keep reading up on this thread.
I think the only way you get released from Gitmo is feet first.
Originally posted by Kaveran:
You generally dont need a property or model release until an image has a use. The method in which an image is to be used generally determines if a release is needed or not.
In the case of a fire truck, if it has any recognizable manufacturers logos etc they would likely be the people that need to give you permission and not the actual fire dept itself.
If the image and content of the image is going to be used in an editorial fashion, which can include books, newspaper etc, then a release isnt needed at all and falls under fair use.
check out Dan Hellers site he has some good info on releases. |
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