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10/11/2007 12:18:36 AM · #103

Originally posted by jonejess:

Originally posted by zeuszen:

Originally posted by jonejess:
...I've seen this argument several times previously about how much the "commentator learns by the act of commenting". The assumption, I guess, is that writing and sharing is better than just thinking about it.

I haven't seen any evidence that any comment I've ever left made a damn bit of difference to either me or the recipient. I would love anyone to share an example of how this "altruism" benefitted the commentator, especially in an instance where the recepient of the comment didn't even bother to acknowledge the comment by checking a little box.

When (you can substitute "if") it is evident from the comment that someone has actually looked at an image and considered it sincerely, chances are, IMO, that he/she is wealthier for a bit of experience already. When he goes out to articulate what he has gathered, he shares a little of it, i.e. he gives us a lil something too. If he does this a few times, he'll likely get better at both seeing and writing, and everyone's share increases, whether any boxes are checked or not.

If everything goes well, and there aren't too many yahoos, you have a bunch of tiny seeds you can use to grow a kulchur with.

I seem to recall someone using the term "pollyannaish" here. Seems appropriate. I appreciate your idealism.

But you're making it even more convoluted to my simple mind. Do you have an example of how you have viewed a comment left by person X regarding photo Y that affected you?

Such comments are rare, as are those who appreciate them for what they are. The best way to recognize them is to make them first.

10/11/2007 03:17:49 AM · #104

Originally posted by glad2badad:

It's overkill and IMO not something to pursue any farther.

As you likely know, I'm not a big fan of "it's not a big problem, so let's ignore it."

Sounds way too much like the US government.

yanko

Carl Zeiss 50mm ZE f/1.4 Planar T for Canon

10/11/2007 05:10:22 AM · #105

I missed out on this thread. Can someone fill me in? Did it go something like this?

OP suggests a new site feature... Said idea gets slammed because it turns out that it will cause a 1,001 disasters one of them being the extinction of human life... OP disagrees but is drowned out by a sea of naysayers (actually a couple of people who keep talking) hellbent on keeping the status quo because the status quo is what holds the universe together and only the naysayers know this.

Was that pretty much it?

Message edited by author 2007-10-11 05:11:35.

Art Roflmao

Canon EOS-6D Mark II

Canon EF-S 17-55mm f/2.8 IS USM

10/11/2007 05:12:20 AM · #106

Originally posted by yanko:

nay.

edit: I mean "yes." :P

Message edited by author 2007-10-11 05:12:51.

eschelar

Canon EOS-7D

10/11/2007 05:30:07 AM · #107

What I don't understand is what specifically has sparked all of this. There seems to be a lack of an actual problem for this idea intended as a solution. It's not that the problem is minor, it's that the problem doesn't seem to exist at all.

Scenario 1 - a comment is posted which is negative, but not overtly spiteful. The photographer disagrees, and may or may not be emotionally worked up by the situation.

Result - SC does nothing. Image has a black smudge on it.

Scenario 2 - a comment is placed which is insubstantial, pointless and empty (ie "..." or "uh huh" etc...)

Result - SC does nothing. Image bears no specific negative weight since anyone reading the comments can simply skip over the empty space. Negative impact is increased database space - ie no serious problem for a system with many terrabytes available.

Scenario 3 - a comment is placed which is hurtful and pointless.

Result - SC removes said comment or edits to remove specific parts.

Scenario 4 - a comment is placed which is positive but not specifically helpful ("nice")

Result - SC does nothing.

This is a rough description of how things are currently. Which scenario is specifically causing the grief? I spend a fair bit of time commenting and going through the forums, but I just don't see this one come up all that often and when it does come up it's pretty much taken care of.

Care to share some images which the SC has refused to take care of which really display an actual problem?

Surely they wouldn't mind if there has already been a report made and the choice has consciously been made to ignore it.

What seems to be forgotten is that 'Editorial Control' concerns more than one form of media and expression. If you want to have editorial control over your picture, I want to have editorial control over my comments. If I take the time to write a comment, thenI want it to stick unless it breaches rules. If it hurts someone's feelings, then I can choose to either apologize, try to make it better or simply let it go in the event that the other person is just being too sensitive.

Don't like negative, comments? Try printing them out and putting them in an album, then sending it to your mother. Don't send them to mine as she gives me negative comments sometimes...

Originally posted by FFMan:

Originally posted by eschelar:
Right now, insulting comments are fairly rare.

That's like telling someone they have a rare disease, that is curable, but since everyone doesn't have it, we will just ignore your case too.

PS. wrong context. I was saying that if you start having people remove comments on their own pictures, it will be subject to abuse almost instantly. people will start 'scrubbing' their pics. THOUSANDS of comments will be removed within a very short period of time. Each comment could easily turn into a multi-page debate.

The change wouldn't just be from a place with free commenting to a place with censored commenting at the discretion of the photographer, it would also become DPC - the comment removal debate station. Yech.

My point was that this would be a very major negative result of implementing this just because of a very small handful of insulting comments. ESPECIALLY when there is already a rather active group of people working on keeping things clean.

Yanko. read the first post. You'll see what it's about.

MikeJ

Canon EOS-1D Mark II

Canon EF 24-70mm f/2.8L USM

10/11/2007 09:25:41 AM · #108

Originally posted by eschelar:

You don't see any supporting evidence of a problem because the SC's keep deleting the evidence.

;)

Mike

Spork99

OM System OM-1

Canon EF 100mm f/2.8 USM Macro

10/11/2007 09:32:44 AM · #109

I dunno, but it looks like somebody took their ball and went home mad.

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idnic

Canon EOS-60D

Canon EF-S 17-55mm f/2.8 IS USM

10/11/2007 09:47:36 AM · #110

Well at least no one is overreacting. *sigh*

eschelar

Canon EOS-7D

Canon EF-S 17-55mm f/2.8 IS USM

10/11/2007 10:52:12 AM · #111

Seems strange to me that someone who worked in journalism for 16 years feels a need to walk away from a group of people because of either a handful of negative comments or being denied the ability to influence others' freedom of speech on his own photographs as placed on a public space.

I even made a suggestion that seems to be getting fairly decent reception in the opening hours that might allow the photographer to have a more detailed say on their opinion of received comments as an indirect result of this thread.

More than one way to skin a cat LeRoy. My ideas have been shot down far more harshly than this. And I'm still thinking of new ways to try to improve the DPC experience for whoever... (ok, so the last two were old ideas I resurrected and revamped... but who's counting)

We'll still be here when ya simmer down. There have been bumps before (you know what I mean) and we still accepted ya. Might not be open arms, but at least a friendly handshake awaits your return.

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De Sousa

Nikon AF Nikkor 85mm f/1.8D

Canon EF 50mm f/1.4 USM

10/11/2007 11:37:37 AM · #112

One big reason assists to the photographerâ��s rights to have the control to delete any comments glued to his photos.

- Is his work!

A Delete Comment function should be available. I hope Langdom has the time to create it.

Louis

Nikon D800

10/11/2007 11:38:37 AM · #113

Originally posted by eschelar:

... being denied the ability to influence others' freedom of speech on his own photographs as placed on a public space.

How wonderfully tunnel-vision-like.

karmat

Apple iPhone 7

Canon EF 70-200mm f/4.0L USM

10/11/2007 12:22:59 PM · #114

If ya'll only knew how many requests we get to delete/edit comments, you would understand why I, for one, am against the "delete" button.

This comment is just wrong. Of course it is one light source, why else would I have entered it. Please delete it."

"That is a grungy looking building." I find this comment on my picture of the abandoned building very offensive. What if the owners sees it? He might be offended, or mad at me for taking a picture of his property and grunging it up. Please delete it.

I do not agree with this comment at all (the comments says the picture is too dark, too light, too centered, doesn't follow the rule of thirds, or the best one, dnmc), please remove it."

Words have been changed to protect the innocent. :) But the message is still the same.

If you only want comments on pictures that you like/agree with/can tolerate/don't bother you, perhaps Leroy has a pretty good idea about putting them elsewhere.

As it stands, if a comment is truly derogatory, it will be dealt with, as will the "offender." News flash -- the initial comment that started this whole bruhahahah is gone, and was as such fairly quickly after the complaint was made.

It is the INTERNET, people are going to have an opinion, and they are going to voice it. If you don't want people commenting on your pictures, don't post them where comments can be left!

RayEthier

Canon EF-S 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 USM

10/11/2007 12:33:39 PM · #115

Originally posted by karmat:

It is the INTERNET, people are going to have an opinion, and they are going to voice it. If you don't want people commenting on your pictures, don't post them where comments can be left!

Perhaps one issue that truly needs to be considered in this instance is that what some consider as opinions could very well be construed as "Libelous" statements by others and subject to litigation.

In such a scenario, it is quite conceivable that the host of the thread, (DPC) could be held accountable.

I do believe that there is currently a case before the Courts in California, and should the Courts rule in favour of the plaintiff, then I fear that mind sound the death knell for threads.

Ray

wavelength

Nikon D300

Nikon AF Nikkor 50mm f/1.8D

10/11/2007 12:39:55 PM · #116

You know, I wonder how all these other less advanced sites and forums get along with these options.

I mean, gawd, giving people control over what nasty comments get placed on their own portfolio images which we pay for the ability to upload. I mean, I totally understand. We, as the artists are completely too stupid to make our own decisions here. We really do need the SC to handhold us and make sure we're not making the biggest mistakes of our lives deleting those comments for which we pay for the ability to receive.

You're right. Nanny state it shall remain.

Get your head out of challenge comments and into our portfolios. Start acting like customer service instead of our parents.

wavelength

Nikon D300

Nikon AF Nikkor 50mm f/1.8D

10/11/2007 12:40:49 PM · #117

Originally posted by RayEthier:

I do believe that there is currently a case before the Courts in California, and should the Courts rule in favour of the plaintiff, then I fear that mind sound the death knell for threads.

Ray

uh really? you have a link to that story?

10/11/2007 12:55:13 PM · #118

Ya know, it's not that I want only positive comments. If you look through my comments received, I have most of the negative comments marked helpful, excepts for those few that I truly thought were unhelpful.

Anyway, they are my images, and I do have the right for full editorial control of them. If not granted that ability at DPC, I have no other choice but to exercise my right to pull them from my portfolio.

Anyone can make "take your ball and go home" remarks all they want. Still doesn't change my stance on removing my portfolio until such features are enacted.

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Steve (wavelength) made a comment earlier about not including said delete button on challenge entries. I'm in full support of that. Challenge entries are entered to be judged and comments should reflect why an imaged scored. The status quo works there.

However, it does not work in the portfolio space, simply because any user at will can pull his/her image if only to remove unfavorable comments. Arguably, the portfolio space is a paid feature and in such full editorial control should be granted.

Flickr, which gives me unlimited space, for $25 a year, gives me that control and MUCH more exposure. For now, my images will only be visible there and on my web site.

10/11/2007 01:04:13 PM · #119

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Message edited by author 2007-10-11 13:08:17.

silverscreen

Leica 35mm f/1.4 Summilux M Aspherical MF - Black

10/11/2007 01:16:21 PM · #120

Originally posted by fotomann_forever:

Steve (wavelength) made a comment earlier about not including said delete button on challenge entries. I'm in full support of that. Challenge entries are entered to be judged and comments should reflect why an imaged scored. The status quo works there.

What about comments made after the challenge ends? Should you be able to delete those?

I fail to see the logic here I'm afraid...

scarbrd

Leica M10

10/11/2007 01:19:33 PM · #121

Originally posted by fotomann_forever:

Anyway, they are my images, and I do have the right for full editorial control of them. If not granted that ability at DPC, I have no other choice but to exercise my right to pull them from my portfolio.

You own full editorial control over your image, but you don't own editorial control over my opinion of your image. I don't think your arguement here holds up. However, you are perfectly within your right to pull your image (and the comments along with it) if you so choose.

10/11/2007 01:22:55 PM · #122

Originally posted by silverscreen:

Originally posted by fotomann_forever:

Steve (wavelength) made a comment earlier about not including said delete button on challenge entries. I'm in full support of that. Challenge entries are entered to be judged and comments should reflect why an imaged scored. The status quo works there.

What about comments made after the challenge ends? Should you be able to delete those?

I fail to see the logic here I'm afraid...

Challenge entries can't be removed from the server. The ToS states they will remain on the server. In theory, they are entered to be judged. So, I have no qualms about challenge entries being left delete button free, including post challenge.

Portfolio space is a feature I pay for. And as such, should have full control of any content related to my image in that space.

10/11/2007 01:29:44 PM · #123

Originally posted by scarbrd:

You own full editorial control over your image, but you don't own editorial control over my opinion of your image.

I can't control your opinion, no. But, I can control if your opinion is visible now. But, /I have to throw out the baby with the bath water. It's stupid.

As I mentioned a few times before, DPC is one of few sites that don't have the ability. That says a lot about the lack of that feature. It's, quite frankly, stupid to think DPC isn't dropping the ball by excluding such control.

silverscreen

10/11/2007 01:29:53 PM · #124

Originally posted by fotomann_forever:

Portfolio space is a feature I pay for. And as such, should have full control of any content related to my image in that space.

I bet there are lots of things you pay for but don't have full control of - and apparently this is one of them.

Imo. it's entirely up to the owners of this site how they want to run it and what the users (including paying ones) should be allowed to do - and it's up to the the users if they can live with those rules or not.

And if they decide they can't they are free to leave...