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09/20/2007 07:22:48 PM · #1 |
As if there hadn't been enough debate about Canon Vs. Nikon!
I've been drooling over the upgrade to a D200 for a long time and now that the D300 has been announced my credit card is burning a hole in my wallet!
What I'm really torn about is the price point: the D300 is going to release at $1800 and the 5D can now be had (body only) for about $2200. The D300 looks incredible, but the smaller sensor is still really going to hinder the high-iso performance. I'd love to shoot for the D3, but I'll already be going into debt for the 5d or D300 so that's way out of reach.
Hopefully without sparking too much of the Nikon vs. Canon debate, I'd love to hear how people think the D300 will stack up against the 5D. All the reviews compare the D300 with the 40D, but the 5D is probably a little more comparable (at least as price point goes).
Any opinions would be greatly appreciated. |
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09/20/2007 07:25:15 PM · #2 |
I suspect full frame 5D maybe better. I would wait for official reviews and lots of sample images.
If you going to make the switch do it now while you don't have much good glass.
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09/20/2007 07:27:35 PM · #3 |
Don't see how they are comparable really. One is full frame, the other isn't.
The 5D is great, but you are really going to put the hurt on that plastic when you start pricing out glass to take full advantage of the camera. |
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09/20/2007 07:28:08 PM · #4 |
5d all the way, for the full frame, and pure amazingness
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09/20/2007 07:29:51 PM · #5 |
That's why I'm really hesitating on getting the D300. I don't have much Nikon Glass right now, at least not any expensive glass. I don't want to get the D300 and find myself 6 months later wanting the 5D. I made the switch from Canon to Nikon when I went from the 300D rebel to my D80 (which has been an incredible switch, I greatly prefer my D80 to the rebel XT and XTI I've played with). Now I'm pondering whether it's time to make the switch back.
At the same time, Canon is due for an upgrade to the 5D. Damn photography! |
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09/20/2007 07:30:32 PM · #6 |
Save for the D3. Or completely switch systems. Like router said you can't compare the two.
Me, I love my D80 but I have some really mean glass that I want to be able to take full advantage of so it is the D3 for me. No more APS-C sensors. I will just shoot what I got until I got 5 grand saved then LOOK OUT! :-D |
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09/20/2007 07:39:50 PM · #7 |
| in my opinion you cant beat full frame. |
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09/20/2007 07:42:51 PM · #8 |
| another option would be to wait for the 5d upgrade and pic up a used 5d, the used price should drop a bit by then, I will be selling mine. |
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09/20/2007 07:58:34 PM · #9 |
| Ha! Thanks Jeff, I'll keep that in mind! Any useless rumors as to how long it'll be before the 5d upgrade? |
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09/20/2007 08:04:38 PM · #10 |
Originally posted by valkner:
Ha! Thanks Jeff, I'll keep that in mind! Any useless rumors as to how long it'll be before the 5d upgrade? |
Perhaps Feb. 2008. There have been rumors, but nothing solid. It has been 2 years... in 8 days it will be two years since I received mine :-)
but 5D still has no direct competition. D3 will probably be very comparable in image quality, but at a very high premium.
Also, FWIW, you can use older Nikon lenses on Canon bodies, in Av or M modes. Must set aperture and focus manually on the lens, of course. |
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09/20/2007 08:30:48 PM · #11 |
| If the debate is between the 5D or D300, the 5D is the clear choice. (if you don't plan to shoot sports or face paced objects) |
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09/20/2007 08:34:44 PM · #12 |
Originally posted by breadfan35:
If the debate is between the 5D or D300, the 5D is the clear choice. (if you don't plan to shoot sports or face paced objects) |
And the 5D works wonderfully for sports if one does not rely on "Fire away & hope" for shot timing. |
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09/20/2007 08:39:39 PM · #13 |
i would wait to see what the images from the d300 look like until you decide.
the d300 is supposed to be about 1.5 stops worse in noise than the d3...which is still pretty dang good. (ie iso 1000 will be about iso 3200 on the d3...and if you've seen d3 samples this is pretty good and definitely better than usable).
So, unless you need the full frame I would wait to see what the samples look like.
You are looking at possibly equal image quality and for sure a more sturdy body from the d300, but that depends on how rough you are on your camera.
you are also getting a faster camera and probably much better autofocus than the 5d.
if the images are comparable the only thing the 5d has going for it is the fact that the control over DOF can be more precise.
I don't even think the wide angle thing is much of an argument anymore as lenses are pretty crazy wide now, and wide angle is kinda abused to me anyways. The reason I think I'm gonna get the D3 is because of the shallower depth of field possible among other things.
But yeah...I don't think there's a clear choice until you see images from the d300. |
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09/20/2007 08:44:29 PM · #14 |
Originally posted by kirbic:
Originally posted by breadfan35:
If the debate is between the 5D or D300, the 5D is the clear choice. (if you don't plan to shoot sports or face paced objects) |
And the 5D works wonderfully for sports if one does not rely on "Fire away & hope" for shot timing. |
I could not agree more, I did a little shooting at a local football match last week. It was so much fun having the camera set to "one shot" and having to work to get the moment rather than just pointing the camera in the right direction. |
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09/20/2007 08:56:13 PM · #15 |
Originally posted by breadfan35:
If the debate is between the 5D or D300, the 5D is the clear choice. (if you don't plan to shoot sports or face paced objects) |
Being that no one has D300 yet I don't see how you can say that. |
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09/20/2007 09:03:17 PM · #16 |
Originally posted by petrakka:
the d300 is supposed to be about 1.5 stops worse in noise than the d3...which is still pretty dang good. (ie iso 1000 will be about iso 3200 on the d3...and if you've seen d3 samples this is pretty good and definitely better than usable). |
The noise question should be definitively answered once Phil Askey gets a final production unit to review. Not going to be in the same league as the 5D at high ISO, IMO.
Originally posted by petrakka:
You are looking at possibly equal image quality and for sure a more sturdy body from the d300, but that depends on how rough you are on your camera.
you are also getting a faster camera and probably much better autofocus than the 5d. |
IQ is an open question. The real question is what is the acuity like out of the D300. If it's very good, then the detail rendering could be close to that of the 5D. The total image quality package assessment will have to wait until the camera is in the hands of some experienced photogs. Given the samples I've seen, the D3 is the equal of the 5D, and noise may actually be better, but I won't conclude anything based on JPEGs.
The 300D is definitely a quicker camera with respect to release lag and frame rate. the 5D is no slouch at all in release lag, and 3fps is fine for the vast majority of applications.
As for the construction, the much-discussed differences between the Nikon DXXX build and the 5D build are mainly a bunch of bunk. The 5D body has proven itself as reliable as any; it is *very* solidly built. Yes, it's true it does not have weather sealing, but that doesn't mean it's a sponge. |
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09/20/2007 10:00:42 PM · #17 |
Originally posted by kirbic:
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As for the construction, the much-discussed differences between the Nikon DXXX build and the 5D build are mainly a bunch of bunk. The 5D body has proven itself as reliable as any; it is *very* solidly built. Yes, it's true it does not have weather sealing, but that doesn't mean it's a sponge. |
But I think DrAchoo will attest it will hold water like a sponge! :D
MattO
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09/20/2007 10:01:22 PM · #18 |
Originally posted by MattO:
But I think DrAchoo will attest it will hold water like a sponge! :D
MattO |
BURN!!!!
:-)) |
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09/20/2007 10:49:39 PM · #19 |
| Anyone else care to throw in their two cents? |
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09/20/2007 10:58:10 PM · #20 |
| save up about 30,000 and get your self a hasselblad medium format with a digital back now that is full frame with 39mp..... |
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09/20/2007 11:14:17 PM · #21 |
I'd just wait for awhile. I wouldn't spend that much money without atleast holding some versions of it in my hands. What is it you don't like about your D80? Is is too noisy or not fast enough burst rate? I would say the choice is mostly where your emphasis in what you shoot. Both cameras do most everything really well. If you are going to focus on sports, even though, the 5D probably shoots them well, this is a case where the smaller sensor of the D300 will help you. You will have a better reach because of the crop factor to get to your subjects. If you think your emphasis is on Landscapes, I'd go 5D, just my opinion.
No offense to anyone here, but most speculation on the D300 is based off a couple jpegs. Its all speculation, wait 6 months, let the D300 come out and get an overall feel from those that must be first in line. |
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09/21/2007 08:24:58 AM · #22 |
5D is two years old camera
D300 is not released yet.
As far as the technology goes, the D300 will be more advanced, no matter what.
What makes me laugh is that some people already speculate things that they do not have any clue.
Wait and see.
Message edited by author 2007-09-21 08:25:15. |
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09/21/2007 08:39:15 AM · #23 |
I'm content to sit back and let the big money players fool around with it and then see the results of their fun.
Most people who have spent good money on their camera equipment will be honest about how it performes and that honesty will sway me one way or the other. Although the new prosessor is inticing I think I would like to see a larger gap in the mega pixels then 2 over the D200. I love my D2oo and have been happy with all aspects of it so far. So the D300 would have to blow it away in order to get some real consideration from me.
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09/21/2007 09:23:56 AM · #24 |
| I've been looking at both myself. I'm upgrading in the next few months hopefully. I've finally decided on the 5D but I'm going to wait till the upgrade comes out and probably go with a used 5D. Of course by the time I am ready to buy I'll have changed my mind 20 times lol. |
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09/21/2007 03:33:28 PM · #25 |
Sports/wildlife: D300
Landscape/portraits: 5D
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