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09/20/2007 01:06:28 PM · #1
Hi all,

I'm genuinely curious on this one. I submitted this in the closing challenge and it got crushed in the voting. I thought it was a pretty good shot (I usually don't think that about anything I do) so I'm curious to hear from others what's wrong with this picture.

No arguments or ego from me so be as direct as you care to. Thanks.

//www.pbase.com/johngalt_ny/image/85399505.jpg

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09/20/2007 01:10:03 PM · #2
I would think the lower votes were for DNMC. The 'closing' impression is not very strong.

Also, the main glass is quite central in the image making the image quite static.

Maybe, if the shot were down the bar toward a door where there was someone leaving.
09/20/2007 01:15:50 PM · #3


A 5.0 score is not being crushed, really. You got a ton of 5's and a lot of comments, many of which were positive.

In my opinion, what prevented this photo from scoring higher:

the image is too busy (the left third of the photo could be left out)
the image is noisy
it has snap-shotty feel to it.

I didn't vote on that challenge, but I would have given it a 5 as well.

I like the concept and some of the colors are really nice.
09/20/2007 01:20:17 PM · #4
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09/21/2007 11:42:47 AM · #5
Thanks people. I appreciate the advice both here and in the comments.
Anyone else??
09/21/2007 11:54:32 AM · #6
Looks like you were sitting in a bar and suddenly remembered you had to shoot something for the challenge.
09/21/2007 11:56:10 AM · #7
It seems too busy for me, as well. Cutting out the left side as Redjulep mentioned would've helped that alot.
09/21/2007 11:58:51 AM · #8
Try reading the two sets of tips from DrAchoo:
5 tips to taking better photographs
5 More Advanced Tips to Taking Better Photos

I'd say the biggest three things with this shot were:
1) Get out of the middle. When you center the subject, you say "look nowhere else - this is the only thing you need to see." It's a picture of an object, as opposed to story. For example, a half-empty glass one side and a blurred bartender cleaning up on the other side tells a story. For centered compositions, I tend to prefer them cropped tightly around the subject, without all the background stuff.

And don't be afraid to crop. For example, I think the photo gains immediate interest simply by cropping out the stuff on the right, so the large front glass almost touches the right edge.

2) SHARP. Focus focus focus. Having said that, I'm an avid participant in the ongoing blur project here at DPC. But the point is to deliberately blur things to create a mood or, again, tell a story. Here, it's clear you meant for the subject to be sharp. It was probably very low lighting, so maybe use the timer to remove any shaking caused by pushing the shutter button. You did put the camera down, which is good!

3) Tell a story rather than shoot an object. Part of that is thinking about what's in the frame other than your main subject.

Good luck, have fun, and keep shooting! :)

Message edited by author 2007-09-21 11:59:50.
09/21/2007 12:05:06 PM · #9
Ah, but for the challenge description purist, there's nothing actually "closing". :P

I gave it a 4. Thought the primary subject (brandy glass) was a bit centered, the image is somewhat noisy, and the connection to the challenge depended too heavily on the title.

Maybe with a clock set to 2 or 3 (4 is too close to PM after work for some), a bartender wiping down the bar, some money on the bar, etc... I imagine these things were out of your control, however, in the end the viewer doesn't know that and you're trying to sell a story.

JMO of course. :)
09/21/2007 03:22:51 PM · #10
Again, thanks all.

Levy, going to read those articles right now.
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