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 09/17/2007 06:47:07 PM · #51
From ESPN The Magazine

"Can you steal first base?

Eric Enders, researcher, Baseball Hall of Fame: No. Why? Rules. What rules? Baseball's rules. Oh, them.
There are 23 legal ways to get to first. Do tell.

Walk, intentional walk, hit by pitch, dropped third strike, failure to deliver pitch within 20 seconds, catcher interference, fielder interference, spectator interference, fan obstruction ... isn't that ... fair ball hits umpire, fair ball hits runner, fielder obstructs runner, pinch-runner, fielder's choice, force out at another base ... aren't those ... preceding runner put-out allows batter to reach first, sac bunt fails to advance runner, sac fly dropped, runner called out on appeal ... wait, which ... error, four illegal pitches, and if a game is suspended with a runner on first and that player is traded prior to the makeup, another player can take his place. That's only 22. Oh, right. Single. Borrring. John Thorn, co-editor, Total Baseball: Two players stole first, Germany Schaefer in 1907 and Fred Tenney around 1900, but they did it from second. The idea was to induce a throw so the runner on third could score. Tricky. I suppose, but it didn't work. And now it's illegal. Pity. You know, Ned Cuthbert of the Philadelphia Keystones invented the stolen base in 1865. Rapscallion. Baseball was primarily intended to provoke mirth. Verily. The main amusement was not to hit lusty blows, but the exposition of spry fielding and nimble baserunning. Huzzah! So credit for a steal was based on pluck, like taking an extra base or stretching a single. Good show! It's also likely the term "stealing" wasn't equated to larceny, but was akin to "stealing away," as in taken through guile or subterfuge. Good ol' derring-do."

LOL Good stuff!

Message edited by author 2007-09-17 18:47:54.
 09/17/2007 06:53:50 PM · #52
Originally posted by swhiddon:

If a fielder drops a foul pop it will not be counted as an error. An error can only occur in the field of play. The batter just gets another opportunity to see another pitch. The same as when a picture throws a third strike and it's fouled off. Even though it was a strike the pitcher is rewarded another strike in his stats.


So you're telling me that if the fielder, in foul territory, is firmly planted under the ball, it lands in his glove, and he drops it, it's not an error?

quoting Wikipedia (the reliable source that it is ; - ) ):

"Because a batted ball hit on the fly into foul territory, with the batting team having no runner(s) on base, and a fielder misplaying such ball for an error, it is possible for a team on the winning side of a perfect game to commit at least one error."

//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Error_(baseball)


09/17/2007 06:56:32 PM · #53
Originally posted by thegrandwazoo:
From ESPN The Magazine

"Can you steal first base?

Eric Enders, researcher, Baseball Hall of Fame: No. Why? Rules. What rules? Baseball's rules. Oh, them.
There are 23 legal ways to get to first. Do tell.

Walk, intentional walk, hit by pitch, dropped third strike, failure to deliver pitch within 20 seconds, catcher interference, fielder interference, spectator interference, fan obstruction ... isn't that ... fair ball hits umpire, fair ball hits runner, fielder obstructs runner, pinch-runner, fielder's choice, force out at another base ... aren't those ... preceding runner put-out allows batter to reach first, sac bunt fails to advance runner, sac fly dropped, runner called out on appeal ... wait, which ... error, four illegal pitches, and if a game is suspended with a runner on first and that player is traded prior to the makeup, another player can take his place. That's only 22. Oh, right. Single. Borrring. John Thorn, co-editor, Total Baseball: Two players stole first, Germany Schaefer in 1907 and Fred Tenney around 1900, but they did it from second. The idea was to induce a throw so the runner on third could score. Tricky. I suppose, but it didn't work. And now it's illegal. Pity. You know, Ned Cuthbert of the Philadelphia Keystones invented the stolen base in 1865. Rapscallion. Baseball was primarily intended to provoke mirth. Verily. The main amusement was not to hit lusty blows, but the exposition of spry fielding and nimble baserunning. Huzzah! So credit for a steal was based on pluck, like taking an extra base or stretching a single. Good show! It's also likely the term "stealing" wasn't equated to larceny, but was akin to "stealing away," as in taken through guile or subterfuge. Good ol' derring-do."

LOL Good stuff!

which bring us to this.
 09/17/2007 06:57:28 PM · #54
Originally posted by swhiddon:

which bring us to this.


Classsssssssssssic! :-D
 09/17/2007 07:18:25 PM · #55
What are the three things that must happen for a catch to be recorded as an out from a batted ball?
 09/17/2007 08:24:43 PM · #56
Originally posted by yanko:
What are the three things that must happen for a catch to be recorded as an out from a batted ball?


1. Batter must hit ball

2. Fielder must catch ball

3. Umpire must call the catch.

R.
 09/17/2007 08:31:10 PM · #57
I probably didn't word that clearly. When a ball is hit in the air and a fielder goes to catch the ball what three things must the fielder do in order for a catch to be called an out.
 09/17/2007 08:33:52 PM · #58
I have tickets for a Cubs/Pirates game on Friday, still unsure if I feel like making the trip to Chicago!
 09/17/2007 08:42:53 PM · #59
Originally posted by yanko:
I probably didn't word that clearly. When a ball is hit in the air and a fielder goes to catch the ball what three things must the fielder do in order for a catch to be called an out.

1. he must catch the ball before it touches anything other than himself or his glove OR another teammate or his glove.

2. he must have control of the ball (in the web of the glove) for a few seconds. (don't remember how long)

3. he must remain on the field (field of play or foul areas) when the ball is caught and controlled (in the web of the glove).

Message edited by author 2007-09-17 20:49:22.
 09/17/2007 08:54:38 PM · #60
Originally posted by swhiddon:
Originally posted by yanko:
I probably didn't word that clearly. When a ball is hit in the air and a fielder goes to catch the ball what three things must the fielder do in order for a catch to be called an out.

1. he must catch the ball before it touches anything other than himself or his glove.

2. he must have control of the ball (in the web of the glove) for a few seconds. (don't remember how long)

3. he must remain on the field when the ball is caught and controlled (in the web of the glove).


He must have control, secure possession and make a voluntary and intentional release of the ball. Although the latter tends to be ignored if the first two have been established. As far as I know length of the time has nothing to do with whether it's a catch or not. A fielder could catch it with his glove or bare hand and then immediately toss it to someone else and it will be called a catch since he showed control, secure possession (enough to throw it) and is making an intentional release.

Also, a player can leave the playing field and make a catch. They do it all the time when going into the stands. Speaking of which, if a fan rips the ball out of the fielder's glove while in the stands it's not a catch no matter how long he held on to it. Nor is it fan interference.

Message edited by author 2007-09-17 20:56:33.
 09/17/2007 10:42:44 PM · #61
Originally posted by larryslights:
Originally posted by swhiddon:

If a fielder drops a foul pop it will not be counted as an error. An error can only occur in the field of play. The batter just gets another opportunity to see another pitch. The same as when a picture throws a third strike and it's fouled off. Even though it was a strike the pitcher is rewarded another strike in his stats.


So you're telling me that if the fielder, in foul territory, is firmly planted under the ball, it lands in his glove, and he drops it, it's not an error?



Yes, its not an error because it did not cause a batter to advance to a base.

To quote WIKI again, (see PERFECT GAME)

By definition, a perfect game must be both a no-hitter and a shutout. Since the pitcher cannot control whether or not his teammates commit any errors, the pitcher must be backed up by solid fielding to pitch a perfect game. An error that does not allow a baserunner, such as a misplayed foul ball, does not spoil a perfect game.
 09/17/2007 11:13:54 PM · #62
You can have an error on a dropped foul ball, even if no runner advances. If the batter reaches base and eventually comes around to score, that run is unearned. Don't know how this affects a perfect game.
 09/18/2007 06:14:47 AM · #63
Originally posted by ajdelaware:
Originally posted by larryslights:
Originally posted by swhiddon:

If a fielder drops a foul pop it will not be counted as an error. An error can only occur in the field of play. The batter just gets another opportunity to see another pitch. The same as when a picture throws a third strike and it's fouled off. Even though it was a strike the pitcher is rewarded another strike in his stats.


So you're telling me that if the fielder, in foul territory, is firmly planted under the ball, it lands in his glove, and he drops it, it's not an error?



Yes, its not an error because it did not cause a batter to advance to a base.

To quote WIKI again, (see PERFECT GAME)

By definition, a perfect game must be both a no-hitter and a shutout. Since the pitcher cannot control whether or not his teammates commit any errors, the pitcher must be backed up by solid fielding to pitch a perfect game. An error that does not allow a baserunner, such as a misplayed foul ball, does not spoil a perfect game.


You just contradicted yourself:

- Yes, its not an error because it did not cause a batter to advance to a base.

- An error that does not allow a baserunner, such as a misplayed foul ball, does not spoil a perfect game.

"An error that does not allow a baserunner".

A dropped foul pop IS an error. I've seen it scored as such. If it is a potential out that is muffed, it's scored as an error. How does the official scorer know that that batter won't reach base in the next pitch or two, after he SHOULD have been out?


09/18/2007 06:16:06 AM · #64
Originally posted by elemess:

Don't know how this affects a perfect game.


This negates the perfect game. A perfect game by definition is simply "NO baserunners allowed". That's it.
 09/18/2007 06:48:58 AM · #65
Correct. If nobody gets on it's a perfect game.
 09/18/2007 08:28:17 AM · #66
Originally posted by larryslights:
Originally posted by ajdelaware:
Originally posted by larryslights:
Originally posted by swhiddon:

If a fielder drops a foul pop it will not be counted as an error. An error can only occur in the field of play. The batter just gets another opportunity to see another pitch. The same as when a picture throws a third strike and it's fouled off. Even though it was a strike the pitcher is rewarded another strike in his stats.


So you're telling me that if the fielder, in foul territory, is firmly planted under the ball, it lands in his glove, and he drops it, it's not an error?



Yes, its not an error because it did not cause a batter to advance to a base.

To quote WIKI again, (see PERFECT GAME)

By definition, a perfect game must be both a no-hitter and a shutout. Since the pitcher cannot control whether or not his teammates commit any errors, the pitcher must be backed up by solid fielding to pitch a perfect game. An error that does not allow a baserunner, such as a misplayed foul ball, does not spoil a perfect game.


You just contradicted yourself:

- Yes, its not an error because it did not cause a batter to advance to a base.

- An error that does not allow a baserunner, such as a misplayed foul ball, does not spoil a perfect game.

"An error that does not allow a baserunner".

A dropped foul pop IS an error. I've seen it scored as such. If it is a potential out that is muffed, it's scored as an error. How does the official scorer know that that batter won't reach base in the next pitch or two, after he SHOULD have been out?


The main thing that they cover in the rule book is that they are given at the scorers discretion. An intentionally dropped foul ball is not an error. So in theory, the only time a foul ball can be called an error is when there are no base runners on, any other time, it could be seen as an intentional move to prevent the sacrifice - to prevent the current runner from stealing.

Based on this definition a missed foul ball can be an error, but its negated by the scorers discretion, as well as the "intentional" miss:

An Error is a mistake by a fielder that allows a batter to reach base, or a runner to advance an extra base, or allows an at bat to continue after the batter should have been put out; it is determined by the judgment of the official scorer. In most cases, a batter who reaches base as the result of an error is charged with an at bat, while any run which he eventually scores is considered unearned.
 09/26/2013 07:24:15 PM · #67
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