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09/18/2007 01:11:49 PM · #26 |
Originally posted by IreneM:
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
Without proper tools that shot is really hard. You need strobes (not flash), a trigger (which fires the camera when the drop passes a certain point), and a good dropper setup (something that can drop drops at a regular interval).
If you get those, once you tweak the setup (which takes most of the work), you can probably get them with fair regularity. |
Yanko's right, I do all my drop/splash shots by hand. No trigger, no strobes.
I use my SB800 and a Metz slave flash. For dripping I use either a pipette or a syringe. I just stand for hours in the kitchen drip, drip, dripping one liquid into another. It takes a lot of time and patience to get anything decent and there is absolutely no consistency in getting good results. Sometimes I get one or two good ones out of a 4 hour session. Next day, using the EXACT same set-up and settings I get nothing. I've seen me doing 4000 images over the space of a weekend and trashing the lot!
Anyway, thanks for all the the Kudos, folks - I really appreciate it! |
4,000 in a weekend!!!! Holy cow! And I thought my attempts with taking 250 or more shots just to get it right was being patient. You, my dear, have the patience of a saint to go to that level AND then continue on some more if it's not good. |
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09/18/2007 01:35:17 PM · #27 |
Originally posted by zxaar:
About the crown , he states : |
I could be wrong about this, but I believe Irene's got more of a Sombrero going than a crown. What I really mean is that the crown shape seems to come from the drop hitting the hard surface just below the liquid, spreading out, and rebounding back up. My feeling is Irene's shots are a result of the first drop falling into the fluid which causes a rebound drop to shoot back into the air. This rebound drop collides with the next drop in midair and results in the Sombrero.
At least that's the way I see it, so if you are looking for results like her's, you need to time the two drops and not just use a shallow skim of milk over a surface.
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09/18/2007 01:47:10 PM · #28 |
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09/18/2007 01:48:10 PM · #29 |
Dave, All you need to do is look at the word below her user name.
lol
Originally posted by NstiG8tr:
Well I just spent an entire afternoon and over 1000 clicks trying to emulate a milk drop of IreneM for the Deja Vu III challenge. I finally said the hell with it and gave up. She'll have to give up the secrets sometime in a tutorial. |
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09/18/2007 02:04:54 PM · #30 |
Originally posted by Bugzeye:
Dave, All you need to do is look at the word below her user name. lol |
Here we go with the Nikon thing :-P
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
At least that's the way I see it, so if you are looking for results like her's, you need to time the two drops and not just use a shallow skim of milk over a surface. |
You could be on to something here Jason. I knew the shallow layer of liquid wasn't the answer because I tried that. The 2 colliding drops is a good theory.
Message edited by author 2007-09-18 14:12:13.
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09/18/2007 02:50:06 PM · #31 |
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
Well, it's quite impressive that you do them without triggers. You do so many, I would suggest you look into one and it might make your job much easier.
One question, does the SB800 sync to 1/500th?
I wasn't implying it wasn't possible without the equipment. My own splash was done without any fancy equipment, but I know how much trial and error and complete luck it involved. I figured Irene had a more sophisticated setup going to prevent the frustration.
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I have absolutely nothing sophisticated in the way of equipment. A bowl with coffee, a pipette or syringe in one hand and my other hand on the camera.
I know this makes me sound like a masochist (or just a plain nut case ;-) but I love the anticipation of waiting for the next good splash shot.
I can't explain in words the feeling of exhilaration I get when I see a good result in the display. The waiting is so exciting..... (o.k., I think I possibly am a nut case ;-)
You described the collision that has to take place perfectly, Jason. I usually have approx. 3 inches of coffee/water in the dish but that's only because the dish is around 4 inches high.
Btw, that is one gorgeous shot.
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09/18/2007 04:17:36 PM · #32 |
Wait, tell me about your flash? How are you using a flash at a speed of 1/500th? Mine was done at 1/1000th but without flash.
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09/18/2007 04:32:17 PM · #33 |
Getting one great drop shot is enough work, but a drop collision like Irene's is a different story. It's like level10. The aiming must be perfect.
Got these with the Powershot s410 p/s and its built in flash a few years ago..
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09/18/2007 04:48:49 PM · #34 |
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
Wait, tell me about your flash? How are you using a flash at a speed of 1/500th? Mine was done at 1/1000th but without flash. |
My flash has FP High-Speed Sync. I've used it when I've tried some water drop shots. It allows you to use shutter speeds faster than 1/250. It's inconsistent though in that the shutter door can partially block some of the exposure when the flash goes off but for a subject as small as a water drop that's usually not a problem at least in my little experience using it.
Here's an example of using it:
If this was well lit the speed is overkill but I didn't have strong enough lights in this setup nor did I want harsh light that a worklight would produce so I used the higher speed with flash to produce the shot.
Message edited by author 2007-09-18 16:51:51. |
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09/18/2007 05:24:39 PM · #35 |
Originally posted by yanko:
If this was well lit the speed is overkill but I didn't have strong enough lights in this setup nor did I want harsh light that a worklight would produce so I used the higher speed with flash to produce the shot. |
If you have a fishtank, try this workup with a utility light...
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This was what I used to get my shot without a flash. I did it with the 50mm 1.8 at f/13 and 1/1000th, so I got enough light with just the lamp and the ambient window light.
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09/18/2007 05:27:43 PM · #36 |
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
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Why did you go to medical school, Jason?? Your artistic skills are astounding! ;D
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09/18/2007 05:47:22 PM · #37 |
Originally posted by idnic:
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
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Why did you go to medical school, Jason?? Your artistic skills are astounding! ;D |
You know, my utility light strangely looks like my mouse. I just add a tail and a few whiskers and voila!
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09/18/2007 06:00:27 PM · #38 |
Okey guys if in case you decide to go all computer, I have already written a software to do so:
//inavier.sourceforge.net/
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
My feeling is Irene's shots are a result of the first drop falling into the fluid which causes a rebound drop to shoot back into the air. This rebound drop collides with the next drop in midair and results in the Sombrero.
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I also think so. Most interesting thing is, I could do a computer simulation of it. I am busy now but soon I will do a rough simulation and upload the animation. It would be fun to see how it works.
(Fluid dynamics is only thing I think I know well). |
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09/18/2007 07:28:17 PM · #39 |
i'd say the delay between drips is the hard part
i can get repeatable results for single drips but timing the second has to be a IreneM thing --
i would like one of those devices that separates samples by air bubbles in a chem/bio lab .. if you could change the space between samples - you could get repeatable crowns ... (every second drip )
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09/18/2007 08:16:25 PM · #40 |
All this talk has me thinking of building a setup. It would be a fun challenge. The worst thing is the stupid 5D uses that weird connector for their wire remotes. Does anybody know of a cheap after market version that I could buy to cut up for the connector?
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09/18/2007 11:13:30 PM · #41 |
I use the ADIDT RF wireless controller that has a little 2.5mm stereo jack that I can plug into.
I've also seen a no-name brand here in TW that is a wired remote that has wire adaptors from 2.5mm to the specialized wire input for the upper model Canon's.
It's pretty cheap, but I can't recall the name. I do need to go up to that store sometime soon though... |
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