shooting a wedding on friday!!!nerrvous&reckless

08/27/2007 07:52:12 PM · #26

Originally posted by fotomann_forever:

Nice shots, I can't say they aren't and wouldn't dream of saying they aren't.

Just not my style to shoot from 50 yards out :-) 85mm is quite enough for my style. Now, if I had a full frame 5D (which is not gonna happen for various reasons), I might reconsider.

The debate wasn't regarding your `style` of wedding photography. I was just arguing the case why a 70-200 f2.8 is a formidible weapon to have in ones kit bag when shooting a wedding. You said
*200mm is WAY too long IMO, makes the shots feel impersonal. *
and I just posted an example as to how shots taken from a distance (not too far) with a long lens have a certain `look` about them, gorgeous bokeh and a slight slimming effect on the subjects faces, all good things in my book.

Still, if I ever need any advice on how to shoot young girls found on myspace then I know where to come..

Peace.

08/27/2007 07:53:01 PM · #27

Originally posted by noisemaker:

Originally posted by Simms:

Originally posted by noisemaker:

Originally posted by Simms:

Originally posted by noisemaker:
hopeuflly ill do fine with just my 24-70 and 50mm and 430EX

Try to get hold of a fast telephoto, a 70-200 f2.8 is a must.. trust me, it is, it really is.

How come? i guess it would depend on the situation. the place im shooting at is outdoors and its not really big its a standing venue for guests and the whole enclosure is no bigger than 30ft in diameter. I think my 24-70 wil be just fine for this

Its not just for close ups, remember using a long fast lens really makes a subject standout from a background. Granted you `could` get a similar effect with a 50mm 1.8 or 24-70 f2.8, but you will need to be in their face.

Obviously this doesnt apply if you have an insanely fast lens, like a 1.2, or even a f1.0 (I used the 50mm 1.0 the other day, it is INSANELY fast)

Actually come to think of it, it does, 50mm can't compress the image in quite the same way as 200mm. fact.

85mm 1.8 can get some nice, impersonal images like these.

I also have a 50mm/1.4 which after the aps-c sensor conversion is only 5 mm wider than your 85mm

But getting a 70-200 is out of the question at this time, I will make do with what equipment I have

How about renting for a day or two? THats how I covered those focal lengths before I earnt enough Â£Â£Â£ to buy one.

08/27/2007 07:56:02 PM · #28

Originally posted by Simms:

Originally posted by noisemaker:

Originally posted by Simms:

Originally posted by noisemaker:

Originally posted by Simms:

Originally posted by noisemaker:
hopeuflly ill do fine with just my 24-70 and 50mm and 430EX

Try to get hold of a fast telephoto, a 70-200 f2.8 is a must.. trust me, it is, it really is.

How come? i guess it would depend on the situation. the place im shooting at is outdoors and its not really big its a standing venue for guests and the whole enclosure is no bigger than 30ft in diameter. I think my 24-70 wil be just fine for this

Its not just for close ups, remember using a long fast lens really makes a subject standout from a background. Granted you `could` get a similar effect with a 50mm 1.8 or 24-70 f2.8, but you will need to be in their face.

Obviously this doesnt apply if you have an insanely fast lens, like a 1.2, or even a f1.0 (I used the 50mm 1.0 the other day, it is INSANELY fast)

Actually come to think of it, it does, 50mm can't compress the image in quite the same way as 200mm. fact.

85mm 1.8 can get some nice, impersonal images like these.

I also have a 50mm/1.4 which after the aps-c sensor conversion is only 5 mm wider than your 85mm

But getting a 70-200 is out of the question at this time, I will make do with what equipment I have

How about renting for a day or two? THats how I covered those focal lengths before I earnt enough Â£Â£Â£ to buy one.

No rental places where I live

08/27/2007 07:57:52 PM · #29

Originally posted by noisemaker:

Originally posted by Simms:

Originally posted by noisemaker:

Originally posted by Simms:

Originally posted by noisemaker:

Originally posted by Simms:

Originally posted by noisemaker:
hopeuflly ill do fine with just my 24-70 and 50mm and 430EX

Try to get hold of a fast telephoto, a 70-200 f2.8 is a must.. trust me, it is, it really is.

How come? i guess it would depend on the situation. the place im shooting at is outdoors and its not really big its a standing venue for guests and the whole enclosure is no bigger than 30ft in diameter. I think my 24-70 wil be just fine for this

Its not just for close ups, remember using a long fast lens really makes a subject standout from a background. Granted you `could` get a similar effect with a 50mm 1.8 or 24-70 f2.8, but you will need to be in their face.

Obviously this doesnt apply if you have an insanely fast lens, like a 1.2, or even a f1.0 (I used the 50mm 1.0 the other day, it is INSANELY fast)

Actually come to think of it, it does, 50mm can't compress the image in quite the same way as 200mm. fact.

85mm 1.8 can get some nice, impersonal images like these.

I also have a 50mm/1.4 which after the aps-c sensor conversion is only 5 mm wider than your 85mm

But getting a 70-200 is out of the question at this time, I will make do with what equipment I have

How about renting for a day or two? THats how I covered those focal lengths before I earnt enough Â£Â£Â£ to buy one.

No rental places where I live

That sucks, still, as I mentioned earlier in PM, I have seen your portfolio and your work is great, you are gonna sail through this wedding.

Leica 18-56mm f/3.5-5.6 Vario Elmar-T ASPH

08/27/2007 08:07:55 PM · #30

Originally posted by Simms:

Originally posted by noisemaker:

Originally posted by Simms:

Originally posted by noisemaker:

Originally posted by Simms:

Originally posted by noisemaker:

Originally posted by Simms:

Originally posted by noisemaker:
hopeuflly ill do fine with just my 24-70 and 50mm and 430EX

Try to get hold of a fast telephoto, a 70-200 f2.8 is a must.. trust me, it is, it really is.

How come? i guess it would depend on the situation. the place im shooting at is outdoors and its not really big its a standing venue for guests and the whole enclosure is no bigger than 30ft in diameter. I think my 24-70 wil be just fine for this

Its not just for close ups, remember using a long fast lens really makes a subject standout from a background. Granted you `could` get a similar effect with a 50mm 1.8 or 24-70 f2.8, but you will need to be in their face.

Obviously this doesnt apply if you have an insanely fast lens, like a 1.2, or even a f1.0 (I used the 50mm 1.0 the other day, it is INSANELY fast)

Actually come to think of it, it does, 50mm can't compress the image in quite the same way as 200mm. fact.

85mm 1.8 can get some nice, impersonal images like these.

I also have a 50mm/1.4 which after the aps-c sensor conversion is only 5 mm wider than your 85mm

But getting a 70-200 is out of the question at this time, I will make do with what equipment I have

How about renting for a day or two? THats how I covered those focal lengths before I earnt enough Â£Â£Â£ to buy one.

No rental places where I live

That sucks, still, as I mentioned earlier in PM, I have seen your portfolio and your work is great, you are gonna sail through this wedding.

thanks! i just talked to my friend and i forgot he just got a 70-200/2.8 the other day. He said i could maybe borrow it but i really don't know if I should considering I've never really taken any seriosu shots with a telephoto like that before

MAK

Leica M Monochrom

08/27/2007 08:16:35 PM · #31

Originally posted by Simms:

Still, if I ever need any advice on how to shoot young girls found on myspace then I know where to come..

Peace.

LMFAO!

08/27/2007 08:24:02 PM · #32

Originally posted by Simms:

:-D Myspace girls are soo fun.

I do like the longer focal length shots you've posted and you state your point well with them. They do have awesome bokeh.

If anyone needs me, I'll be on Myspace ;-)

Dustin get BATTERIES :-)

BTW, I'm not sure if you have a second body or not, but you might want to borrow your friend's just in case, if you don't. And, if this is something you want to persue further, get at least a Rebel as a backup.

Message edited by author 2007-08-27 20:25:43.

08/27/2007 08:31:28 PM · #33

Originally posted by fotomann_forever:

Originally posted by Simms:

The debate wasn't regarding your `style` of wedding photography. I was just arguing the case why a 70-200 f2.8 is a formidible weapon to have in ones kit bag when shooting a wedding. You said
*200mm is WAY too long IMO, makes the shots feel impersonal. *
and I just posted an example as to how shots taken from a distance (not too far) with a long lens have a certain `look` about them, gorgeous bokeh and a slight slimming effect on the subjects faces, all good things in my book.

Still, if I ever need any advice on how to shoot young girls found on myspace then I know where to come..

Peace.

:-D Myspace girls are soo fun.

I do like the longer focal length shots you've posted and you state your point well with them. They do have awesome bokeh.

If anyone needs me, I'll be on Myspace ;-)

Dustin get BATTERIES :-)

BTW, I'm not sure if you have a second body or not, but you might want to borrow your friend's just in case, if you don't. And, if this is something you want to persue further, get at least a Rebel as a backup.

he would never part with this 20d for a day.. but i do have lots of batteries ill have my 2 fully hcarged batteries in the camera with a AAbattery magazine cartige all full just incase my 2 batteries die.
and my flash batteries will be full and ill only need flash as fill flash so they shoudlnt die but i do have extras as well!

so do you all think i should take up my friends offer and borrow his lens?

08/27/2007 08:34:10 PM · #34

Originally posted by noisemaker:

Originally posted by fotomann_forever:

Originally posted by Simms:

The debate wasn't regarding your `style` of wedding photography. I was just arguing the case why a 70-200 f2.8 is a formidible weapon to have in ones kit bag when shooting a wedding. You said
*200mm is WAY too long IMO, makes the shots feel impersonal. *
and I just posted an example as to how shots taken from a distance (not too far) with a long lens have a certain `look` about them, gorgeous bokeh and a slight slimming effect on the subjects faces, all good things in my book.

Still, if I ever need any advice on how to shoot young girls found on myspace then I know where to come..

Peace.

:-D Myspace girls are soo fun.

I do like the longer focal length shots you've posted and you state your point well with them. They do have awesome bokeh.

If anyone needs me, I'll be on Myspace ;-)

Dustin get BATTERIES :-)

BTW, I'm not sure if you have a second body or not, but you might want to borrow your friend's just in case, if you don't. And, if this is something you want to persue further, get at least a Rebel as a backup.

he would never part with this 20d for a day.. but i do have lots of batteries ill have my 2 fully hcarged batteries in the camera with a AAbattery magazine cartige all full just incase my 2 batteries die.
and my flash batteries will be full and ill only need flash as fill flash so they shoudlnt die but i do have extras as well!

so do you all think i should take up my friends offer and borrow his lens?

If he is serious then sure, just be careful with it.

08/27/2007 08:35:03 PM · #35

Originally posted by fotomann_forever:

:-D Myspace girls are soo fun.

"Yes your honour, that is what the defendent posted on an internet forum."

Message edited by author 2007-08-27 20:35:15.

08/27/2007 08:39:00 PM · #36

Originally posted by Simms:

Originally posted by noisemaker:

Originally posted by fotomann_forever:

Originally posted by Simms:

The debate wasn't regarding your `style` of wedding photography. I was just arguing the case why a 70-200 f2.8 is a formidible weapon to have in ones kit bag when shooting a wedding. You said
*200mm is WAY too long IMO, makes the shots feel impersonal. *
and I just posted an example as to how shots taken from a distance (not too far) with a long lens have a certain `look` about them, gorgeous bokeh and a slight slimming effect on the subjects faces, all good things in my book.

Still, if I ever need any advice on how to shoot young girls found on myspace then I know where to come..

Peace.

:-D Myspace girls are soo fun.

I do like the longer focal length shots you've posted and you state your point well with them. They do have awesome bokeh.

If anyone needs me, I'll be on Myspace ;-)

Dustin get BATTERIES :-)

BTW, I'm not sure if you have a second body or not, but you might want to borrow your friend's just in case, if you don't. And, if this is something you want to persue further, get at least a Rebel as a backup.

he would never part with this 20d for a day.. but i do have lots of batteries ill have my 2 fully hcarged batteries in the camera with a AAbattery magazine cartige all full just incase my 2 batteries die.
and my flash batteries will be full and ill only need flash as fill flash so they shoudlnt die but i do have extras as well!

so do you all think i should take up my friends offer and borrow his lens?

If he is serious then sure, just be careful with it.

Yeah he is. Now hte question is when is a good time to use the 70-200 and whens a good time for hte 24-70?

08/27/2007 08:49:47 PM · #37

Originally posted by noisemaker:

Yeah he is. Now hte question is when is a good time to use the 70-200 and whens a good time for hte 24-70?

That, young jedi, is for you to decide.

Message edited by author 2007-08-27 20:51:58.

08/27/2007 08:57:50 PM · #38

Originally posted by noisemaker:

Yeah he is. Now hte question is when is a good time to use the 70-200 and whens a good time for hte 24-70?

When you are close use the 24-70, when you are far away use the 70-200 ;-P

Use it when you feel it will serve you best. Just be careful of your shutter speed if you are handholding it. You really don't want your shutter speeds under 1/320 with that lens zoomed in on your cropped sensor camera. For safety's sake, I'd recommend 1/500, since you're not used to it. This shouldn't be a problem with an outdoor wedding with a 2.8 lens. But, if you're shutter speeds are getting longish (say late afternoon), you might want to back down to the 24-70 to avoid shake.

ETA: Not sure, is that an IS lens? If so, you can get away with a bit longer shutter speed, but I wouldn't push it too much.

Message edited by author 2007-08-27 21:01:19.

08/27/2007 09:03:50 PM · #39

Originally posted by fotomann_forever:

Originally posted by noisemaker:

Yeah he is. Now hte question is when is a good time to use the 70-200 and whens a good time for hte 24-70?

When you are close use the 24-70, when you are far away use the 70-200 ;-P

Use it when you feel it will serve you best. Just be careful of your shutter speed if you are handholding it. You really don't want your shutter speeds under 1/320 with that lens zoomed in on your cropped sensor camera. For safety's sake, I'd recommend 1/500, since you're not used to it. This shouldn't be a problem with an outdoor wedding with a 2.8 lens. But, if you're shutter speeds are getting longish (say late afternoon), you might want to back down to the 24-70 to avoid shake.

Is it an IS lens?

The longer lens can be used for the formals of the B+G quite comfortably (for nice upper body shots), it can be used during the ceremony to get shots of the B+Gs expressions, that cheeky little smile, that single lonely tear, whatever.. :-)

However the 24-70 defintely has its place, generally I decide on the fly what lens would suit a particular scenario. Thats all part of being a wedding photographer, making decisions on the spot based on your previous photography experiences.

08/27/2007 09:05:46 PM · #40

Originally posted by fotomann_forever:

Hmmm, I can handhold my IS at shutterspeeds of 1/60 at 200mm with no camera shake, obviously this will be no good if the subject is in motion, but for a couple standing pretty still at the front of a church/registry office etc, its more than enough. If you are a bit on the shakey side, use a monopod. Even better, remeber ISO800 is more than acceptable on a 20D, if you are a pixel peeper you may not be entirely happy with the results, but when printed out, you will hardly notice any noise/grain at all.

Message edited by author 2007-08-27 21:08:34.

08/27/2007 09:10:32 PM · #41

Originally posted by Simms:

Originally posted by fotomann_forever:

Originally posted by noisemaker:

Yeah he is. Now hte question is when is a good time to use the 70-200 and whens a good time for hte 24-70?

When you are close use the 24-70, when you are far away use the 70-200 ;-P

Use it when you feel it will serve you best. Just be careful of your shutter speed if you are handholding it. You really don't want your shutter speeds under 1/320 with that lens zoomed in on your cropped sensor camera. For safety's sake, I'd recommend 1/500, since you're not used to it. This shouldn't be a problem with an outdoor wedding with a 2.8 lens. But, if you're shutter speeds are getting longish (say late afternoon), you might want to back down to the 24-70 to avoid shake.

Is it an IS lens?

The longer lens can be used for the formals of the B+G quite comfortably (for nice upper body shots), it can be used during the ceremony to get shots of the B+Gs expressions, that cheeky little smile, that single lonely tear, whatever.. :-)

However the 24-70 defintely has its place, generally I decide on the fly what lens would suit a particular scenario. Thats all part of being a wedding photographer, making decisions on the spot based on your previous photography experiences.

its 2.8 non-IS
what im thinking is that during the getting ready ill use 24-70 since it will be all indoors and won't be enough room for the 70-200, during the ceremony is where im stuck though, should i use 70-200 or 24-70... maybe both? reception and everything ill mainly use 24-70 so i can get better use of bounce flash.
and for hte larger group formals obviously ill use hte 24-70, and also for the formals I was planing to just set up my tripod, call the names for each photo, shuffle them around to look the best, take the picture of them smiling then go to the next group. Is that a good way to do them?

08/27/2007 09:11:29 PM · #42

Originally posted by Simms:

Originally posted by fotomann_forever:

Originally posted by noisemaker:

Yeah he is. Now hte question is when is a good time to use the 70-200 and whens a good time for hte 24-70?

When you are close use the 24-70, when you are far away use the 70-200 ;-P

Use it when you feel it will serve you best. Just be careful of your shutter speed if you are handholding it. You really don't want your shutter speeds under 1/320 with that lens zoomed in on your cropped sensor camera. For safety's sake, I'd recommend 1/500, since you're not used to it. This shouldn't be a problem with an outdoor wedding with a 2.8 lens. But, if you're shutter speeds are getting longish (say late afternoon), you might want to back down to the 24-70 to avoid shake.

ETA: Not sure, is that an IS lens? If so, you can get away with a bit longer shutter speed, but I wouldn't push it too much.

Hmmm, I can handhold my IS at shutterspeeds of 1/60 at 200mm with no camera shake, obviously this will be no good if the subject is in motion, but for a couple standing pretty still at the front of a church/registry office etc, its more than enough. If you are a bit on the shakey side, use a monopod. Even better, remeber ISO800 is more than acceptable on a 20D, if you are a pixel peeper you may not be entirely happy with the results, but when printed out, you will hardly notice any noise/grain at all.

is little bits of Neat Image acceptable?

08/27/2007 09:14:12 PM · #43

Originally posted by noisemaker:

for hte larger group formals obviously ill use hte 24-70, and also for the formals I was planing to just set up my tripod, call the names for each photo, shuffle them around to look the best, take the picture of them smiling then go to the next group. Is that a good way to do them?

The way I organise group shots is to start with the biggest group, usually the whole wedding party, theh chip away at it until you are left with the bride and groom. It makes more sense that way than having everyone hang around for all the shots getting all fidgety and bored, also you will find guests have a tendancy to wander off, resulted in more time wasted trying to find them.

08/27/2007 09:14:30 PM · #44

Originally posted by noisemaker:

is little bits of Neat Image acceptable?

Bold for emphasis. Yes, just be very careful with it. You don't want to make your B&G look literally like Ken and Barbie.

08/27/2007 09:15:15 PM · #45

Originally posted by Simms:

I agree... totally.

08/27/2007 09:17:17 PM · #46

Originally posted by Simms:

Originally posted by noisemaker:
for hte larger group formals obviously ill use hte 24-70, and also for the formals I was planing to just set up my tripod, call the names for each photo, shuffle them around to look the best, take the picture of them smiling then go to the next group. Is that a good way to do them?

The way I organise group shots is to start with the biggest group, usually the whole wedding party, theh chip away at it until you are left with the bride and groom. It makes more sense that way than having everyone hang around for all the shots getting all fidgety and bored, also you will find guests have a tendancy to wander off, resulted in more time wasted trying to find them.

okay sounds good, the Bride made a list of all the groups she wants photos of ill try to organize it once she gives it to me

08/27/2007 09:17:26 PM · #47

Originally posted by fotomann_forever:

Originally posted by noisemaker:

is little bits of Neat Image acceptable?

Bold for emphasis. Yes, just be very careful with it. You don't want to make your B&G look literally like Ken and Barbie.

yes, but as F_F says, dont go mad. I shot some interior church images at ISO3200 the other day and whilst viewing them at full res on a monitor the noise would be very apparent, I am confident that when it comes to album designing time, it will be hardly noticable.

08/27/2007 09:18:58 PM · #48

Originally posted by noisemaker:

Originally posted by Simms:

Originally posted by noisemaker:
for hte larger group formals obviously ill use hte 24-70, and also for the formals I was planing to just set up my tripod, call the names for each photo, shuffle them around to look the best, take the picture of them smiling then go to the next group. Is that a good way to do them?

The way I organise group shots is to start with the biggest group, usually the whole wedding party, theh chip away at it until you are left with the bride and groom. It makes more sense that way than having everyone hang around for all the shots getting all fidgety and bored, also you will find guests have a tendancy to wander off, resulted in more time wasted trying to find them.

okay sounds good, the Bride made a list of all the groups she wants photos of ill try to organize it once she gives it to me

also, utilise the ushers/best man at this point to help you organise the guests, print off several of the group shot lists and hand them to the ushers/best man so they can be getting groups ready whilst you are concentrating on getting the shots.

08/27/2007 09:26:35 PM · #49

Originally posted by Simms:

Originally posted by noisemaker:

Originally posted by Simms:

Originally posted by noisemaker:
for hte larger group formals obviously ill use hte 24-70, and also for the formals I was planing to just set up my tripod, call the names for each photo, shuffle them around to look the best, take the picture of them smiling then go to the next group. Is that a good way to do them?

The way I organise group shots is to start with the biggest group, usually the whole wedding party, theh chip away at it until you are left with the bride and groom. It makes more sense that way than having everyone hang around for all the shots getting all fidgety and bored, also you will find guests have a tendancy to wander off, resulted in more time wasted trying to find them.

okay sounds good, the Bride made a list of all the groups she wants photos of ill try to organize it once she gives it to me

also, utilise the ushers/best man at this point to help you organise the guests, print off several of the group shot lists and hand them to the ushers/best man so they can be getting groups ready whilst you are concentrating on getting the shots.

sounds good

is it better for hte formals to have htem all the same kinda. or is it better to try and do different things with each group?