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09/28/2007 07:15:41 PM · #751 |
Originally posted by JuliBoc:
Originally posted by ephln:
Hoping one person could give me a second opinion on my Free Study entry while I still have the time to change it. I took several of a particular subject and picked the one I thought came out the most interesting.
I understand...if that person agrees not to vote on it...it's kosher.
Thanks :) |
If you put them in your workshop folder and send me the full links in a PM, I'll take a look. WARNING: I don't usually agree with the general voting public, so you may want to get a few more opinions. |
Thank Julianne...will do. Appreciate the help. Sent it to one other person...so two opinions will be great.
Message edited by author 2007-09-28 19:47:23.
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09/28/2007 07:49:14 PM · #752 |
Originally posted by levyj413:
Originally posted by colorcarnival:
ok I got my jpgmag votes in for three people, did I miss anyone? |
Did you go set up 29 ghost accounts and vote for each of us from each of them? ;) |
Oooooooh I have some extra time on my hands, maybe I will shoot for 31 accounts... great idea! lol
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09/29/2007 06:52:21 AM · #753 |
Originally posted by colorcarnival:
Originally posted by levyj413:
Originally posted by colorcarnival:
ok I got my jpgmag votes in for three people, did I miss anyone? |
Did you go set up 29 ghost accounts and vote for each of us from each of them? ;) |
Oooooooh I have some extra time on my hands, maybe I will shoot for 31 accounts... great idea! lol |
And thus the reason voting on JPG only brings the photo to the attention of the editors . . . LOL
I have a question about JPG, as long as I'm here. Do they really mean no editing? Not even cropping? It's a bit confusing to me the way they put it on the site, and I get some of it (no borders, no selective desat, blah blah blah), but do you guys usually crop when you submit there (isn't that digital removal of bits from the image)?
And no one's coming to my house to show me how to dodge and burn without mucking up my images? Okay, then I guess I'd take a decent tutorial if anyone has one . . .
Best,
Rob |
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09/29/2007 08:12:58 AM · #754 |
I know that what JPG says in the guidelines but the photos are edited. Look through the published photos and you will see some heavy editing.
This is what you are not supposed to do:
"Photos with anything that was digitally added or removed. That includes text (no signatures or copyright statements), fake borders, partial desaturation (aka cutouts), and wacky filters."
I suspect few photos are removed due to editing concerns.
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09/29/2007 08:24:51 AM · #755 |
Originally posted by rheverly:
And no one's coming to my house to show me how to dodge and burn without mucking up my images? Okay, then I guess I'd take a decent tutorial if anyone has one . . .
Best,
Rob |
A rose by any other name would smell as sweet . . .
So, it's not called dodge and/or burn, but it does the same thing (?)
I have a feeling that the techniques described here are a lot more forgiving, or can be if you go easy on the oppacity and flow of the brushes :) |
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09/29/2007 11:09:16 AM · #756 |
Originally posted by raish:
Originally posted by rheverly:
And no one's coming to my house to show me how to dodge and burn without mucking up my images? Okay, then I guess I'd take a decent tutorial if anyone has one . . .
Best,
Rob |
A rose by any other name would smell as sweet . . .
So, it's not called dodge and/or burn, but it does the same thing (?)
I have a feeling that the techniques described here are a lot more forgiving, or can be if you go easy on the oppacity and flow of the brushes :) |
Heh. That's exactly what I was going to suggest. It's MUCH more forgiving, as in infinitely adjustable and reversable, because you're not actually touching the image data layer.
In that tutorial, Cindi advocates blurring, but I prefer to use opacity to reduce the effect. You can also duplicate layers to strengthen the effect. I often end up at effectively 150% opacity: full strength on one layer and 50% opacity on a copy.
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09/29/2007 11:36:41 AM · #757 |
The blur bit in that helps hide edges of your work if need be. And I use that technique from time to time as well.
I think to effectively use dodge and burn you need to practice. Do a duplicate layer and work on that - overdo it at first to make pronounced changes, then play with the opacity to see what it looks like if you turn it down a bit. To me, anything I dodge and burn LOOKS dodged and burned, mostly because I know what the original looks like. It may not be as obvious to someone who hasn't seen the original. In that case, dodge and burn, save, close, and go back and look at it later to see what you think. |
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09/29/2007 12:38:38 PM · #758 |
Originally posted by quiet_observation:
I know that what JPG says in the guidelines but the photos are edited. Look through the published photos and you will see some heavy editing.
This is what you are not supposed to do:
"Photos with anything that was digitally added or removed. That includes text (no signatures or copyright statements), fake borders, partial desaturation (aka cutouts), and wacky filters."
I suspect few photos are removed due to editing concerns. |
I posted this photo on JPG  in "Artistic License", a category that was sponsored by Photoshop. I thought it might be acceptable because of the sponsor and the category. I had quite a few positive votes and some Favorites, but after a few weeks it mysteriously disappeared without any notification from the site. I contacted the site for an explanation, and they never responded. Obviously it was too much editing, but I was really turned off by the experience. |
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09/29/2007 12:45:56 PM · #759 |
Originally posted by JuliBoc:
Originally posted by quiet_observation:
I know that what JPG says in the guidelines but the photos are edited. Look through the published photos and you will see some heavy editing.
This is what you are not supposed to do:
"Photos with anything that was digitally added or removed. That includes text (no signatures or copyright statements), fake borders, partial desaturation (aka cutouts), and wacky filters."
I suspect few photos are removed due to editing concerns. |
I posted this photo on JPG in "Artistic License", a category that was sponsored by Photoshop. I thought it might be acceptable because of the sponsor and the category. I had quite a few positive votes and some Favorites, but after a few weeks it mysteriously disappeared without any notification from the site. I contacted the site for an explanation, and they never responded. Obviously it was too much editing, but I was really turned off by the experience. |
That's terrible - they should have least informed you of it. |
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09/29/2007 12:54:17 PM · #760 |
Originally posted by raish:
Originally posted by rheverly:
And no one's coming to my house to show me how to dodge and burn without mucking up my images? Okay, then I guess I'd take a decent tutorial if anyone has one . . .
Best,
Rob |
A rose by any other name would smell as sweet . . .
So, it's not called dodge and/or burn, but it does the same thing (?)
I have a feeling that the techniques described here are a lot more forgiving, or can be if you go easy on the oppacity and flow of the brushes :) |
This is neat! Thanks for posting it. I sometimes use filter>render>lighting effects to accomplish this sort of thing, but this looks like it offers a lot more control, and I like the fact that it isn't performed on an image layer. |
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09/29/2007 01:21:35 PM · #761 |
Originally posted by JuliBoc:
Originally posted by raish:
Originally posted by rheverly:
And no one's coming to my house to show me how to dodge and burn without mucking up my images? Okay, then I guess I'd take a decent tutorial if anyone has one . . .
Best,
Rob |
A rose by any other name would smell as sweet . . .
So, it's not called dodge and/or burn, but it does the same thing (?)
I have a feeling that the techniques described here are a lot more forgiving, or can be if you go easy on the oppacity and flow of the brushes :) |
This is neat! Thanks for posting it. I sometimes use filter>render>lighting effects to accomplish this sort of thing, but this looks like it offers a lot more control, and I like the fact that it isn't performed on an image layer. |
Okay, good idea, I'd seen that tutorial, but really thought of it more for moving the light than altering the image in the way Cindi does (especially in the portrait, where she uses it to wonderful effect). I would still like to be able to dodge and burn, though, and have tried different settings, etc. etc.. I'm usually not even sure what I should dodge and burn, but I know that when the ribbon winners post their steps on advanced editing challenges, they're always doing it. I want to be like the cool kids . . .
(really it just bugs me that something that seems like a photoshop staple is something I can't seem to get my head around).
Thanks for the pointer, and for the actual dodge/burn tips, too, Deb (how are ya, where are ya?).
Best,
Rob |
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09/29/2007 03:13:06 PM · #762 |
Originally posted by rheverly:
Originally posted by JuliBoc:
Originally posted by raish:
Originally posted by rheverly:
And no one's coming to my house to show me how to dodge and burn without mucking up my images? Okay, then I guess I'd take a decent tutorial if anyone has one . . .
Best,
Rob |
A rose by any other name would smell as sweet . . .
So, it's not called dodge and/or burn, but it does the same thing (?)
I have a feeling that the techniques described here are a lot more forgiving, or can be if you go easy on the oppacity and flow of the brushes :) |
This is neat! Thanks for posting it. I sometimes use filter>render>lighting effects to accomplish this sort of thing, but this looks like it offers a lot more control, and I like the fact that it isn't performed on an image layer. |
Okay, good idea, I'd seen that tutorial, but really thought of it more for moving the light than altering the image in the way Cindi does (especially in the portrait, where she uses it to wonderful effect). I would still like to be able to dodge and burn, though, and have tried different settings, etc. etc.. I'm usually not even sure what I should dodge and burn, but I know that when the ribbon winners post their steps on advanced editing challenges, they're always doing it. I want to be like the cool kids . . .
(really it just bugs me that something that seems like a photoshop staple is something I can't seem to get my head around).
Thanks for the pointer, and for the actual dodge/burn tips, too, Deb (how are ya, where are ya?).
Best,
Rob |
I sent you a PM on how I figured out how to do the dodge/burn function without using layers as I have not wrapped my head around that concept yet. Hope it helps.
Here is an image that the dodge/burn worked well on for me in the BW side challenge. I was pleased with the result and have received some pretty nice feedback on it.
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09/29/2007 04:49:18 PM · #763 |
Well, it's been a while since this has happened for me, but as of 12:01 Monday early morning, I'll have three entries up and running.
I have my Soft Focus, which isn't doing great, but isn't doing horrible, either, a Free Study that I took on the 20th and entered which is one I'm so pleased with it's my wallpaper, and a Half entry that just sort of fell together.
The Half entry will be fun to talk about after the challenge as it's got an interesting story.
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09/29/2007 04:54:32 PM · #764 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
Well, it's been a while since this has happened for me, but as of 12:01 Monday early morning, I'll have three entries up and running.
I have my Soft Focus, which isn't doing great, but isn't doing horrible, either, a Free Study that I took on the 20th and entered which is one I'm so pleased with it's my wallpaper, and a Half entry that just sort of fell together.
The Half entry will be fun to talk about after the challenge as it's got an interesting story. |
Congrats...I finally was able to get a decent entry for Free Study. I like it...so of course...the voters probably won't...lol
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09/29/2007 05:04:39 PM · #765 |
It's been a while since my last submission - but I'm in for "Half" now.
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09/29/2007 05:13:00 PM · #766 |
Originally posted by ephln:
I sent you a PM on how I figured out how to do the dodge/burn function without using layers as I have not wrapped my head around that concept yet. Hope it helps.
Here is an image that the dodge/burn worked well on for me in the BW side challenge. I was pleased with the result and have received some pretty nice feedback on it.
original |
Thanks, Eve, I hadn't been checking my E-mail today, so I appreciate you letting me know you had sent a message (funny that I check here for stuff on weekends, but not my e-mail; heh).
I do know "how" to do dodge and burn, and to use opacity, and flow, and blah and stuff. But when I do it, it looks bad. Just bad. I just tried it again on a shot today, and when I was done, it looked awful. When I showed it to my wife, who's not a photographer and more so does not touch Photoshop, she said, "You did something to that part, didn't you?" So, I'm using the wrong settings on opacity, highlights, shadows, or blah or whatever, and making my images look worse rather than better. This is especially true when I try to do it on a color image, where the burned grays look completely out of place, but if I do it less, there's no real effect.
So, it's alright, I undid the dodge/burn from my image, and it could be better, but at least now it's not worse.
And I'll keep playing and one day figure it out :)
Thanks, everyone!
Best,
Rob |
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09/29/2007 05:24:32 PM · #767 |
Would anyone be willing to have a look at my potential entry for Free Study and tell me what you think? Given how my free studies go, frankly I'm looking for someone to talk me *out* of it, so if you do this successfully, the usual promise to refrain from voting on it won't apply. :)
Any takers? |
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09/29/2007 05:25:19 PM · #768 |
Originally posted by rheverly:
I do know "how" to do dodge and burn, and to use opacity, and flow, and blah and stuff. But when I do it, it looks bad. Just bad. |
WHEW!!!
I thought it was just me.
After reading that tutorial from Cindy where she made it sound so easy, I just wanna drive to Florida NOW and slap her!
It looked bad. Just bad!
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09/29/2007 06:00:41 PM · #769 |
Originally posted by rheverly:
.. I'm usually not even sure what I should dodge and burn, but I know that when the ribbon winners post their steps on advanced editing challenges, they're always doing it. I want to be like the cool kids . . .
(really it just bugs me that something that seems like a photoshop staple is something I can't seem to get my head around).
Thanks for the pointer, and for the actual dodge/burn tips, too, Deb (how are ya, where are ya?).
Best,
Rob |
I so totally agree with you. One of the reasons Svetlana's  Silverfoxx images are so spectacular is because she is very effective with the dodge and burn. I think it takes a graphic artist to know how to do it well. However, I did read a very basic tip: burn the shadows and dodge the highlights. I think it is mostly used to modify the contrast in certain areas and to add contour to otherwise flat looking areas. But I feel I'm at a disadvantage because I can't draw well. |
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09/29/2007 06:07:21 PM · #770 |
Originally posted by ephln:
... I figured out how to do the dodge/burn function without using layers as I have not wrapped my head around that concept yet. |
Eve, you really must learn to use layers. When you don't, it's like fighting with one arm tied behind your back. We can talk about it offline, via PM, and I think you will understand and enjoy having that new skill. |
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09/29/2007 06:13:36 PM · #771 |
Originally posted by JuliBoc:
Originally posted by ephln:
... I figured out how to do the dodge/burn function without using layers as I have not wrapped my head around that concept yet. |
Eve, you really must learn to use layers. When you don't, it's like fighting with one arm tied behind your back. We can talk about it offline, via PM, and I think you will understand and enjoy having that new skill. |
here's a tutorial i wrote a while ago on layers and masks...
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09/29/2007 08:12:56 PM · #772 |
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I am obsessed by layers... just got PS and so do not know what I am doing . Tell me , tell me , please---what's it all about ???
This image has so many layers- it ain't funny- so sorry , a glass of Chardonnay goes a long way... poetic |
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09/29/2007 09:54:10 PM · #773 |
I'm not an expert on layers - so much more to learn, I'm sure - but I do use them. I highly recommend Christian's tutorial she linked to. If at all possible, set up two monitors and have the tutorial on one side and PS open on the other with something you can work on and go through step by step. Once you get the hang of it, it's, as Christian would say, "easy peasy". :-)
Dodge and burn - don't use an opacity of the brush (set at the top) of more than 3% on average. Works best in B&W in my humble opinion, because it will gray out colors a bit. Also as Catherine points out, works best if you happen to be a graphic artist kinda person. I rarely use it.
And I'm still in Iraq but have booked a first class seat back to Kuwait later today. Of course, first class is just like the rest of the plane, and involves sitting sideways on a canvas seat in an aircraft with no windows, restrooms, or air conditioning.
My "tribute" to my time in Iraq:
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09/29/2007 10:30:30 PM · #774 |
Originally posted by Melethia:
And I'm still in Iraq but have booked a first class seat back to Kuwait later today. Of course, first class is just like the rest of the plane, and involves sitting sideways on a canvas seat in an aircraft with no windows, restrooms, or air conditioning.
My "tribute" to my time in Iraq:
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That sounds FANTASTIC Deb. Gotta love those first class accommodations. Seriously, I'm glad you're on your way out of the war zone. Hope the flight isn't too long. Don't drink a tall double latte before you get on board or anything...
Edit to add: Patio127 that's a lovely photo. The water drops really shine.
Message edited by author 2007-09-29 22:31:45. |
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09/29/2007 10:49:13 PM · #775 |
//www.jpgmag.com/photos/271288
Hey guys, shameless plug for votes on my "Off the Beaten Path" photo. Thanks! |
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