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08/27/2007 04:53:03 PM · #26 |
I agree completely with  Rompy. I don't see any subjectivity in this one at all, and I'm tired of shots that ignore the challenge details scoring high. I put my votes where my opinion is on this one already.
Considering how many shots don't fill the frame, I figured my average vote cast on this challenge would be woefully low. To my surprise, I still ended up handing out a 5.2 overall. There are some fantastic shots in there that do fill the frame after all! |
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08/27/2007 05:10:33 PM · #27 |
So if there is nothing in the background but some of the background is showing that is DNMC. If so then nothing is something. But if nothing is something then having something in the background is nothing...
Boy you all sure know how to make things complicated...
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08/27/2007 05:12:02 PM · #28 |
Originally posted by thegrandwazoo:
So if there is nothing in the background but some of the background is showing that is DNMC. If so then nothing is something. But if nothing is something then having something in the background is nothing...
Boy you all sure know how to make things complicated...
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Yup...I got nothing which is obviously something. And my something is obviously way too much for nothing.
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08/27/2007 05:12:39 PM · #29 |
Originally posted by Rompy:
"Compose your photograph so that nothing but your subject is in the frame." Not trying to be all mean or anything, just my opinion.
Pawdrix: I think your shots that you posted for examples earlier in this thread are wonderful, but... When I think of filling the frame, I think of something else.
Maybe I'm just ca-razy! :) |
I'm wrong. I thought there was no worded description on that one and that's why I asked. Looked but didn't see it. Shows you how out of the loop I am lately.
DNMC!!! ;)
Message edited by author 2007-08-27 17:18:55. |
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08/27/2007 05:21:04 PM · #30 |
Originally posted by thegrandwazoo:
So if there is nothing in the background but some of the background is showing that is DNMC. If so then nothing is something. But if nothing is something then having something in the background is nothing...
Boy you all sure know how to make things complicated...
:-/ |
I think some are more interested in applying the Big Bang Theory to voting rather than Photography. Only at DPC!
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08/27/2007 05:22:51 PM · #31 |
Originally posted by yanko:
I think some are more interested in applying the Big Bang Theory to voting rather than Photography. Only at DPC! |
Yup! If there is one thing I know it's nothing. So that should count for something... |
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08/27/2007 05:23:21 PM · #32 |
Originally posted by yanko:
I think some are more interested in applying the Big Bang Theory to voting rather than Photography. Only at DPC! |
Maybe I should put a BIG BANG under the voters and settle them down a bit.
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08/27/2007 05:36:05 PM · #33 |
Originally posted by pawdrix:
DNMC!!! ;) |
How can you say dnmc to someone looking as cute as that?
I actually just ran through and counted 114 frame-fillers out of the 285 entries. I can't vote when it's like that. |
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08/27/2007 05:37:28 PM · #34 |
Originally posted by raish:
I actually just ran through and counted 114 frame-fillers out of the 285 entries. I can't vote when it's like that. |
Sure you can! All you do is give everyone a 1 vote. That's what is happening to my image...and no doubt loads of others..lol!
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08/27/2007 05:57:08 PM · #35 |
| I don't know. The reason they have descriptions for a challenge is so we know what to do. Fill the frame, to me, is fill the frame. So as to the dog pic up above, I personally feel that it is not meeting challenge description requirements. Most of the frame is used, but it is not filled. Please correct me if I'm wrong. I feel those of us who did fill the frame(macro), we will suffer for following the rules. I am hoping one day that SC(either DQ or place these shots by order after those who did follow challenge description at the end) will do something about those who do not follow challenge description, as it makes those who do suffer, even though it is a good shot. I vote accordingly to the challenge description, and if it is not followed, I do tend to vote lower, whether or not it is a good shot. Rules were made to be followed. If they are not, society would be a lot worse off than it is now. |
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08/27/2007 05:58:06 PM · #36 |
Originally posted by raish:
Originally posted by pawdrix:
DNMC!!! ;) |
How can you say dnmc to someone looking as cute as that?
I actually just ran through and counted 114 frame-fillers out of the 285 entries. I can't vote when it's like that. |
Why not? Vote on the ones that meet challenge, and not on the ones that don't.
Message edited by author 2007-08-27 17:58:25. |
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08/27/2007 06:17:49 PM · #37 |
Originally posted by rugman1969:
I actually just ran through and counted 114 frame-fillers out of the 285 entries. I can't vote when it's like that. |
Why not? Vote on the ones that meet challenge, and not on the ones that don't. [/quote]
Yayyyy...best idea I have heard all day.
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08/27/2007 06:20:16 PM · #38 |
If you really want things to change, vote everything you consider a dnmc shot a 1. A few people hitting the forums about how challenge topics are so widely interpreted as to be meaningless won't change anything.
I'm not advocating for or against, I'm just saying it if bothers you then vote accordingly.
edit: and by change I don't mean the site will suddently start enforcing challenge topics for entries, but rather enmasse dnmc voting could possibly have an effect on those submitting to challenges.
Message edited by author 2007-08-27 18:21:25. |
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08/27/2007 06:21:31 PM · #39 |
Originally posted by Judi:
Originally posted by rugman1969:
I actually just ran through and counted 114 frame-fillers out of the 285 entries. I can't vote when it's like that. |
Why not? Vote on the ones that meet challenge, and not on the ones that don't. |
Yayyyy...best idea I have heard all day. [/quote]
LOL
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08/27/2007 06:22:05 PM · #40 |
Originally posted by rugman1969:
I don't know. The reason they have descriptions for a challenge is so we know what to do. Fill the frame, to me, is fill the frame. So as to the dog pic up above, I personally feel that it is not meeting challenge description requirements. Most of the frame is used, but it is not filled. Please correct me if I'm wrong. I feel those of us who did fill the frame(macro), we will suffer for following the rules. I am hoping one day that SC(either DQ or place these shots by order after those who did follow challenge description at the end) will do something about those who do not follow challenge description, as it makes those who do suffer, even though it is a good shot. I vote accordingly to the challenge description, and if it is not followed, I do tend to vote lower, whether or not it is a good shot. Rules were made to be followed. If they are not, society would be a lot worse off than it is now. |
Yepp me too. A DNMC is automatic 1 or 2 in book. |
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08/27/2007 06:23:05 PM · #41 |
Originally posted by routerguy666:
If you really want things to change, vote everything you consider a dnmc shot a 1. A few people hitting the forums about how challenge topics are so widely interpreted as to be meaningless won't change anything.
I'm not advocating for or against, I'm just saying it if bothers you then vote accordingly.
edit: and by change I don't mean the site will suddently start enforcing challenge topics for entries, but rather enmasse dnmc voting could possibly have an effect on those submitting to challenges. |
Point well made. |
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08/27/2007 06:26:17 PM · #42 |
Originally posted by zxaar:
Yepp me too. A DNMC is automatic 1 or 2 in book. |
I just completed a full image analysis of my entry and compared it to all the other entries for percentage of 'fill the frame'. The software is proprietary, but I am happy to share with all of you the final results.
Unfortunately, my image has 1.2745% background present, so my image is subject to a personal DNMC. I fear that I may have to self DQ myself... alas... |
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08/27/2007 06:31:06 PM · #43 |
Originally posted by bassbone:
Originally posted by zxaar:
Yepp me too. A DNMC is automatic 1 or 2 in book. |
I just completed a full image analysis of my entry and compared it to all the other entries for percentage of 'fill the frame'. The software is proprietary, but I am happy to share with all of you the final results.
Unfortunately, my image has 1.2745% background present, so my image is subject to a personal DNMC. I fear that I may have to self DQ myself... alas... |
Actually when the DNMC is blatant one. for example put a natural light shot (a sexy landscape) in artificial light challenge.
(yes it happens and people have scored high with this).
when the DNMC is close to call (that is there are fair chances that someone could argue it is not DNMC) for example this challenge, people do not agree what is DNMC or not. Can not vote 1s or 2s. |
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08/27/2007 06:32:00 PM · #44 |
Originally posted by pawdrix:
Originally posted by Rompy:
Should I decide to vote on the current fill the frame challenge, which I more than likely will, I will most definately vote lower on shots with subjects that do not FILL THE FRAME. COMPLETELY. How much more description does one need? Just because a few shots in previous challenges did well and did not completely fill the frame, does not make it meet the challenge. I truly dont understand the confusion. If the shot does not completely fill the frame, then isn't it really just an ordinary shot that could fit into say the "Center your subject" challenge or the "Sorta fill the frame" challenge? The reason a challenge like this one is cool is BECAUSE it is a bit more difficult to execute well and originally. Like someone said earlier, why even have a challenge if the rules dont matter?
PS: I dont have an entry in this challenge, but if I did, I would have filled the stupid frame! :) |
Ouch!
Where does it say "completely" in the description?
I'm not in the Challenge and I'm not voting but I didn't take it as a 100% fill the frame kinda thang. I could be wrong... |
If I was told to fill a pail of water I would bring the pail back full. If I asked someone to fill a pail and they brought it back less than full? You'd be going back for more water...
:)
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08/27/2007 06:42:57 PM · #45 |
Originally posted by rugman1969:
I don't know. The reason they have descriptions for a challenge is so we know what to do. Fill the frame, to me, is fill the frame. So as to the dog pic up above, I personally feel that it is not meeting challenge description requirements. Most of the frame is used, but it is not filled. Please correct me if I'm wrong. I feel those of us who did fill the frame(macro), we will suffer for following the rules. I am hoping one day that SC(either DQ or place these shots by order after those who did follow challenge description at the end) will do something about those who do not follow challenge description, as it makes those who do suffer, even though it is a good shot. I vote accordingly to the challenge description, and if it is not followed, I do tend to vote lower, whether or not it is a good shot. Rules were made to be followed. If they are not, society would be a lot worse off than it is now. |
That is assuming your interpretation is the correct one...
Subjectivity makes this theory only apply to you. Oh and maybe zxaar...
Challenge descriptions are guidelines not rules if they were then the SC better get ready for hell!
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08/27/2007 06:51:08 PM · #46 |
Originally posted by thegrandwazoo:
Originally posted by rugman1969:
I don't know. The reason they have descriptions for a challenge is so we know what to do. Fill the frame, to me, is fill the frame. So as to the dog pic up above, I personally feel that it is not meeting challenge description requirements. Most of the frame is used, but it is not filled. Please correct me if I'm wrong. I feel those of us who did fill the frame(macro), we will suffer for following the rules. I am hoping one day that SC(either DQ or place these shots by order after those who did follow challenge description at the end) will do something about those who do not follow challenge description, as it makes those who do suffer, even though it is a good shot. I vote accordingly to the challenge description, and if it is not followed, I do tend to vote lower, whether or not it is a good shot. Rules were made to be followed. If they are not, society would be a lot worse off than it is now. |
That is assuming your interpretation is the correct one...
Subjectivity makes this theory only apply to you. Oh and maybe zxaar...
Challenge descriptions are guidelines not rules if they were then the SC better get ready for hell! |
I know when someone says I vote 1s and 2s, many people dislike it. I always wonder :
1.If voting 1s and 2s is so bad why do we have these scales. Why not just remove the votes 1 and 2
2. If subjectivity is not needed why do we have challenges discription, why do not we have all free studies? Why do we even bother to read guidelines, just shoot whatever we want.
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08/27/2007 06:53:06 PM · #47 |
Originally posted by Citadel:
If I was told to fill a pail of water I would bring the pail back full. If I asked someone to fill a pail and they brought it back less than full? You'd be going back for more water...
:) |
I might be sending you back if the water does not have a miniscus above the rim of the pail. It is not truly full until the water is level with the top, then you must add enough water to rise above the rim until it breaks the surface tension which leaves the water level above the rim. You cannot truly carry a full pail of water grasshopper.
EDIT: At what point is it considered full?
Message edited by author 2007-08-27 18:53:36. |
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08/27/2007 06:53:14 PM · #48 |
Originally posted by zxaar:
I know when someone says I vote 1s and 2s, many people dislike it. I always wonder :
1.If voting 1s and 2s is so bad why do we have these scales. Why not just remove the votes 1 and 2
2. If subjectivity is not needed why do we have challenges discription, why do not we have all free studies? Why do we even bother to read guidelines, just shoot whatever we want. |
Until the descriptions are made into law they will continue to be subjective with no right interpretation.
SO why not give the benefit of the doubt to creativity? |
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08/27/2007 06:54:00 PM · #49 |
Originally posted by kawesttex:
I might be sending you back if the water does not have a miniscus above the rim of the pail. It is not truly full until the water is level with the top, then you must add enough water to rise above the rim until it breaks the surface tension which leaves the water level above the rim. You cannot truly carry a full pail of water grasshopper. |
Are you Jack, or Jill? |
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08/27/2007 06:54:05 PM · #50 |
Originally posted by thegrandwazoo:
Originally posted by rugman1969:
I don't know. The reason they have descriptions for a challenge is so we know what to do. Fill the frame, to me, is fill the frame. So as to the dog pic up above, I personally feel that it is not meeting challenge description requirements. Most of the frame is used, but it is not filled. Please correct me if I'm wrong. I feel those of us who did fill the frame(macro), we will suffer for following the rules. I am hoping one day that SC(either DQ or place these shots by order after those who did follow challenge description at the end) will do something about those who do not follow challenge description, as it makes those who do suffer, even though it is a good shot. I vote accordingly to the challenge description, and if it is not followed, I do tend to vote lower, whether or not it is a good shot. Rules were made to be followed. If they are not, society would be a lot worse off than it is now. |
That is assuming your interpretation is the correct one...
Subjectivity makes this theory only apply to you. Oh and maybe zxaar...
Challenge descriptions are guidelines not rules if they were then the SC better get ready for hell! |
You do have a point on that. But this is the challenge description:
Description: Compose your photograph so that nothing but your subject is in the frame.
I don't see how to misinterpret that.
To me, that means subject only. no background, etc... |
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