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08/16/2007 05:41:00 PM · #226 |
And since even Republican politicians admit it's happening now, how will it affect the outcome of the election?
Your quote:
"We (aren't) really going to see global warming until 2009."
The story quote:
"The real heat will start after 2009, they said."
We've BEEN seeing global warming. They're just saying it's going to get even hotter. There's no mention of next year being cool.
1998-2002 is the warmest four-year period since 1880 and 2002-2006 was the second warmest. So, if the REAL warming is supposed to start in 2009 (and I'm not going to say that it is, this is just one study) then... :)
Message edited by author 2007-08-16 17:41:25. |
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08/16/2007 07:51:25 PM · #227 |
Originally posted by chip_k:
And since even Republican politicians admit it's happening now, how will it affect the outcome of the election?
Your quote:
"We (aren't) really going to see global warming until 2009."
The story quote:
"The real heat will start after 2009, they said."
We've BEEN seeing global warming. They're just saying it's going to get even hotter. There's no mention of next year being cool.
1998-2002 is the warmest four-year period since 1880 and 2002-2006 was the second warmest. So, if the REAL warming is supposed to start in 2009 (and I'm not going to say that it is, this is just one study) then... :) |
Well I thought that was closely paraphrased without having looked at it. This story is just cover for next year in case its cool before the election. I haven't said it wasn't a little warmer the past few years. I think it is actually starting to cool down the last 2 years. I just think its do to the sun. The sun is ultimately what warms the earth, and it really makes sense to me that slight flucutations in the sun will raise or lower the temperature on earth, and mars and also jupiter. |
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08/16/2007 08:17:58 PM · #228 |
If you think it's a politically motivated cover-up, then that's certainly a belief you can hold. I can't say anything about that.
Of course, if it's a conspiracy, it could also be that Wall Street traders are spreading misinformation that it's NOT happening so they can stockpile stock from A/C companies, green energy source companies and buy future-beachfront property 10 miles inland in Florida.
Or transportation companies wanting to buy seaports along the Hudson Bay at insanely low prices. (True story, couldn't find it again on Google but they bought an entire port for EIGHT DOLLARS. :) |
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08/16/2007 08:56:52 PM · #229 |
Lately I've been saying that global warming is 100% human caused because it will help my carbon credit scam, I mean business, become profitable, I mean big enough to save the planet. Why fight it when i can profit off it, I mean when i can help save the world!
Chip, there's a Hemlock in my front yard with your name on it!
ANyone else want a tree in theirname, just send me a check, I got lots of space! |
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08/17/2007 10:10:07 AM · #230 |
Originally posted by dacrazyrn:
NO, they will just add these NEW taxes (for BS!) and everything else will stay the same and/or increase anyway. Taxes don't go away, the politicians just add more and more to supply them with more money to waste on SHIiiiiiiiiTE! they want and for their agendas. |
Politicians like new taxes, especially ones that people won't object to too much, because it means that they can make headline, populist tax cuts in other areas. The UK conservative party (if it gets into power - unlikely ATM) is talking about using income from "green" taxes to pay for the elimination of inheritance taxes in the UK.
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08/17/2007 02:19:44 PM · #231 |
The earth is miillions of years old right? We are talking about only having recordings of tempretures for 500 years or so. How do we know what is normal?
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08/17/2007 02:36:52 PM · #232 |
Originally posted by Jason_Cross:
The earth is miillions of years old right? We are talking about only having recordings of tempretures for 500 years or so. How do we know what is normal?
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Ice core records can go back several hundred thousand years, and the earth is about 4.5 billion years old.
And, we know that the amount of carbon dioxide we are emmitting is NOT normal. The amount of toxic waste we are producing is NOT normal. The amount of resources we are consuming is NOT normal, and NOT sustainable.
Message edited by author 2007-08-17 14:37:14. |
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08/17/2007 02:36:55 PM · #233 |
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08/17/2007 03:48:19 PM · #234 |
Normal or abnormal, that's the question. Try seeing it the other way around. Today we do emitt lots of pollutants into our one and only biosphere. For me this is the normal, the norm. Because this is what happens right now - we'll have to live with it, it's our way of living. Good or bad, I don't know? In the coming decade the pollutions will increase even more dramatically, mostly due to the rapid changes in China and India - which countries comes next?
To people who want to turn back time: How much? 10yrs, 100 yrs, a million yrs? Maybe to the era where the atmosphere consisted of ammonia gas. I believe that kind of atmosphere will cause one or other caugh amongst the most conservative of inhibitants.
I personally believe that the future will be normal, yes it will. But, how you define "normal", that's the big Q! What is normal? The rising temperatures will heat the Canadian anf Russian tundras which contain LOTS LOTS LOTS of CH4 or methane gas is. As you know CH4 is a great (bad) contibuter tho the global warming. As the tundras "melt" the CH4 evaporate = rising temp = more evaporation et cetera. How this downward spiral ends will be told by our future.
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08/17/2007 04:46:16 PM · #235 |
| What about all the cows man. |
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08/17/2007 06:08:57 PM · #236 |
Cows=manure. Manure=fertilizer. Fertilizer increses crops. COrn is a crop. Corn is made to biofuel. Biofuel decreases emissions. So by logic, cows are good and decrease emissions. :)
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08/17/2007 07:52:29 PM · #237 |
| But don't their farts kill us? |
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08/18/2007 06:14:50 AM · #238 |
Originally posted by Jason_Cross:
The earth is miillions of years old right? We are talking about only having recordings of tempretures for 500 years or so. How do we know what is normal? |
You have a good question in one sense - "what is normal?". You are right that it may very well be the case that in the grand scheme of things, the relatively short period of time during which humans have existed on this planet should not be determined to be its "normal" state. It has had and will undoubtedly have other states of normality.
However, you appear to ignore the fact that if the planet moves to another state of normality, that might mean a vastly worsened world or even uninhabitable world for humans. Would you think that, if it was within our power to do so, it might be in our interests therefore to prevent the change? If, as seems likely, we are the engineers of that change, is it not reasonable for us to take steps to reverse our impact on the world - for our own sake?
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08/18/2007 02:26:17 PM · #239 |
| Sounds like we are all dead then. |
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08/30/2007 10:35:26 PM · #240 |
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08/30/2007 10:46:34 PM · #241 |
All of that's been de-debunked in the thread already :) |
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08/30/2007 10:48:40 PM · #242 |
| is it just me, or is it getting hot in here? |
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08/30/2007 11:07:03 PM · #243 |
Originally posted by Jason_Cross:
Al Gore said on Oprah that most of Florida, some of California and much of China will be under water by 2015. Talk about hanging your ass out on a limb. If in 8 years they are not under water he looks like a fool. |
He looks like a fool anyway.
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08/30/2007 11:08:35 PM · #244 |
Originally posted by Sarcoman:
Originally posted by Jason_Cross:
The earth is miillions of years old right? We are talking about only having recordings of tempretures for 500 years or so. How do we know what is normal?
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Ice core records can go back several hundred thousand years, and the earth is about 4.5 billion years old.
And, we know that the amount of carbon dioxide we are emmitting is NOT normal. The amount of toxic waste we are producing is NOT normal. The amount of resources we are consuming is NOT normal, and NOT sustainable. |
Wow. *sigh*
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08/30/2007 11:11:48 PM · #245 |
All of that's been de-debunked in the thread already :) [/quote
Come on Chip. That report is 68 pages. We are only on page 10. You can't dismiss it all like that. Here is another new article. Most Scientists are skeptics //epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Minority.Blogs&ContentRecord_id=b35c36a3-802a-23ad-46ec-6880767e7966ptics.
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08/30/2007 11:19:19 PM · #246 |
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08/30/2007 11:26:11 PM · #247 |
I'm on Page 24 of the report ;)
Warmed Over
American Prospect: Sen. James Inhofe's Science Abuse
Seriously, I did a LOT of research for this thread and the two other times that I've been in global warming discussions. Inhofe CLAIMS that there a LOT of scientists out there who are skeptics, but when I do my own research and go straight to the source, the answer is pretty much always, "Earth's temperature IS warming and carbon dioxide is in all likelihood the "main culprit."
Do I have to go back through the thread and collect all 20 links that I posted? ;) |
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08/30/2007 11:42:07 PM · #248 |
Originally posted by Jason_Cross:
Al Gore said on Oprah that most of Florida, some of California and much of China will be under water by 2015. Talk about hanging your ass out on a limb. If in 8 years they are not under water he looks like a fool. |
If he accomplishes what he wants, it doesn't matter what happens 8 years from now. Remember if you don't know it, Brother Al is heavily invested in the brand new Carbon Reduction Industry. As for China, "much of China under water" for me would be over 90
percent land area. A quick look at a Topo map should properly educate you about this fantasy. Now if the statement was meant as the "people" of China, that would come closer to "much" of China, but far from obtaining a cigar. Brother Al wants to sell you Carbon credits. He wants this to become law. Beware the shysters.
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08/30/2007 11:45:22 PM · #249 |
Originally posted by Simms:
Not that it matters because the world dies in 2012.
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Actually on my birthday in 2012. If I live that long. Not that the Mayan long count has proven to be very reliable.
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08/30/2007 11:50:27 PM · #250 |
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
C) If Gore said something so charged, why isn't any news covering it? I can't find a single google article about it. I doubt he said it. |
So, let me get this right..... if it's on Wiki it's got your attention and it's probably true. And.... if you can't Google it, it doesn't exist? Interesting.
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