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 08/11/2007 12:46:19 AM · #1
Are the steps shown in this tutorial legal in an Advanced Editing challenge?

How about if you omit the step about selecting the eyes--would that make it legal in a Basic Editing challenge?

Or would that process not be allowed at all?

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08/11/2007 01:05:40 AM · #2
Not in basic, I believe, as one can only use adjustment layers and only then in normal blending mode.
 08/11/2007 01:16:12 AM · #3
Looks pretty legal to me for advanced. Heck, some folks use the high pass filter for sharpening instead of USM.

Definitely not legal for basic.
 08/11/2007 01:32:31 AM · #4
Originally posted by levyj413:
Looks pretty legal to me for advanced. Heck, some folks use the high pass filter for sharpening instead of USM.

Definitely not legal for basic.


Definitely legal in Advanced. And I use high pass for my sharpening a LOT, except in basic where it is illegal. It's a very useful way toos harpen IMO.

R.
 08/11/2007 04:48:14 AM · #5
I thought I asked a while back if high pass was okay in basic and was told yes?
 08/11/2007 04:12:07 PM · #6
Originally posted by BeeCee:
I thought I asked a while back if high pass was okay in basic and was told yes?

From what is explained in the tutorial, the High Pass filter is done on a duplicate layer. This duplicate layer violates Basic Editing rules. The layers in Basic must only be adjustment layers (not containing any image data). Furthermore, the author instructs you to change the layer's blending mode to settings that are illegal in Basic.

I started this thread because I didn't hear back from an inquiry to the SC right away and wanted to use such techniques in a current challenge. I just received a PM from an SC representative saying that following the steps in this tutorial is legal in Advanced, but illegal in Basic (for the aforementioned reasons).

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08/11/2007 08:04:06 PM · #7
Originally posted by lesgainous:
Originally posted by BeeCee:
I thought I asked a while back if high pass was okay in basic and was told yes?

From what is explained in the tutorial, the High Pass filter is done on a duplicate layer. This duplicate layer violates Basic Editing rules. The layers in Basic must only be adjustment layers (not containing any image data). Furthermore, the author instructs you to change the layer's blending mode to settings that are illegal in Basic.

I started this thread because I didn't hear back from an inquiry to the SC right away and wanted to use such techniques in a current challenge. I just received a PM from an SC representative saying that following the steps in this tutorial is legal in Advanced, but illegal in Basic (for the aforementioned reasons).

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I understand :) I was just trying to clarify Bear's comment, "And I use high pass for my sharpening a LOT, except in basic where it is illegal." That sounded, to me, that ANY use of high pass was illegal under basic.

Thanks for your help with the tutorial legalities :D
 08/11/2007 08:06:52 PM · #8
Originally posted by BeeCee:
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I understand :) I was just trying to clarify Bear's comment, "And I use high pass for my sharpening a LOT, except in basic where it is illegal." That sounded, to me, that ANY use of high pass was illegal under basic.

Thanks for your help with the tutorial legalities :D


That's correct. High pass cannot be used in basic, ever. To use it you have to duplicate the image layer, apply the filter, and reset the layer mode to "overlay" or "soft light". neither of those steps is legal in basic editing.
 08/11/2007 09:07:45 PM · #9
Okay, we must be talking about two different things here then.
In CS2, under filters >other >high pass? This doesn't HAVE to be used on a separate layer... maybe to achieve the effect the in the tutorial, but not for EVERY use, right?
 08/11/2007 09:20:30 PM · #10
Originally posted by BeeCee:
Okay, we must be talking about two different things here then.
In CS2, under filters >other >high pass? This doesn't HAVE to be used on a separate layer... maybe to achieve the effect the in the tutorial, but not for EVERY use, right?


No, it's meant to be used on a new layer actually, that's the logical way to do it. You CAN do it on the base layer and set the blending mode to "overlay" or "soft light", but changing blending mode is not legal in basic editing anyway. best way to use it is to duplicate the layer, apply high pass, then change the layer blending mode in the layer palette; this allows you to experiment with different blending modes, and to fade the effect by fading the high pass layer to less than 100% opacity.

But high pass used in "normal" mode (the only legal mode for basic editing) gives you a garyed-out effect.

R.
 08/11/2007 09:38:54 PM · #11
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by BeeCee:
Okay, we must be talking about two different things here then.
In CS2, under filters >other >high pass? This doesn't HAVE to be used on a separate layer... maybe to achieve the effect the in the tutorial, but not for EVERY use, right?


No, it's meant to be used on a new layer actually, that's the logical way to do it. You CAN do it on the base layer and set the blending mode to "overlay" or "soft light", but changing blending mode is not legal in basic editing anyway. best way to use it is to duplicate the layer, apply high pass, then change the layer blending mode in the layer palette; this allows you to experiment with different blending modes, and to fade the effect by fading the high pass layer to less than 100% opacity.

But high pass used in "normal" mode (the only legal mode for basic editing) gives you a garyed-out effect.

R.


Thanks :) I'm one of those who tries out the tools in ways they aren't meant to be used, just to see what effect I can get. I actually used high pass in this other, strange way on one of my entries a while back.

I understand how it's MEANT to be used, with a new layer, just wanted to clarify that that wasn't the only way it COULD be used. I thought maybe I was missing a whole different tool that the rest of you were referring to! So if I was going for one of my strange effects, I COULD use it legally in basic. That's what I was trying to make sure of :)


I know not everyone likes the effect, but sometimes I do...

Message edited by author 2007-08-11 21:55:02.
 08/12/2007 12:25:05 AM · #12
As far as I know, Sheila, it's perfectly legal to use High Pass on the base layer if you want to. That's just not the way it's used for sharpening, which is probably what Bear was thinking of.
 08/12/2007 01:32:37 AM · #13
Originally posted by levyj413:
As far as I know, Sheila, it's perfectly legal to use High Pass on the base layer if you want to. That's just not the way it's used for sharpening, which is probably what Bear was thinking of.


wouldn't High Pass be considered an 'effects filter' though, which is not legal in basic?
 08/12/2007 08:47:20 AM · #14
lightroom 1.1 has a feature called "clarity" which in effect is pretty much the same as using a high pass filter - increases local area contrast and is pretty funky all round.
But because lightroom doesn't use layers it means you don't have to use illegal blending modes so it's all good for basic editing!
 08/12/2007 11:48:17 AM · #15
Originally posted by taterbug:
Originally posted by levyj413:
As far as I know, Sheila, it's perfectly legal to use High Pass on the base layer if you want to. That's just not the way it's used for sharpening, which is probably what Bear was thinking of.


wouldn't High Pass be considered an 'effects filter' though, which is not legal in basic?


Ah. Good point. I've sent this to the SC, so hopefully someone will tell us.

Message edited by author 2007-08-12 11:49:03.
 08/12/2007 02:40:57 PM · #16
High-pass, used on the base layer, is definitely an effects filter. As such it would not be legal in Basic.
 08/12/2007 02:50:30 PM · #17
Thank you for clearing that up, Kirbic :) I had a moment of panic there, as I was SURE I'd asked about it before using it, but now I go back and see that where I used it was in an advanced challenge.
Now it's bugging me, wondering what it was that I DID ask about!

(yes, female, blonde, AND senile :P )

And thanks, Jeff, for asking SC for me :D

Message edited by author 2007-08-12 14:51:33.
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