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08/01/2007 12:59:35 AM · #26 |
Originally posted by Chinabun:
not grinding my teeth, just asking a question. and what part of it's not my photo do you people dont get. I'm only asking because I THOUGHT it was good and a 5.3 is very low. Didn't say it deserved a ribbon just wondering why the majority didn't like it. I dont even know why I started this thread. I mean, I know people don't read the challenge descriptions, so why would I think people would actually read what I have written so far.
Originally posted by routerguy666:
It's an average shot. No wow, no big mistakes. So it got an average score.
You can grind your teeth to dust looking through shots that score higher than yours (or your favorite). It's not worth making the comparison. |
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Wipe the froth from your mouth and read what I wrote. I am fully aware it is not your photo, merely one you think is great.
5.3 is not very low. It is average. Thanks for playing. |
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08/01/2007 01:00:37 AM · #27 |
Originally posted by routerguy666:
Originally posted by Chinabun:
not grinding my teeth, just asking a question. and what part of it's not my photo do you people dont get. I'm only asking because I THOUGHT it was good and a 5.3 is very low. Didn't say it deserved a ribbon just wondering why the majority didn't like it. I dont even know why I started this thread. I mean, I know people don't read the challenge descriptions, so why would I think people would actually read what I have written so far.
Originally posted by routerguy666:
It's an average shot. No wow, no big mistakes. So it got an average score.
You can grind your teeth to dust looking through shots that score higher than yours (or your favorite). It's not worth making the comparison. |
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Wipe the froth from your mouth and read what I wrote. I am fully aware it is not your photo, merely one you think is great.
5.3 is not very low. It is average. Thanks for playing. |
HEY BOTH OF YA BEHAVE - Both are you are gonna be on the same team soon... i hope... i think... maybe?
Message edited by author 2007-08-01 01:00:57. |
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08/01/2007 01:03:18 AM · #28 |
JUST FREAKIN GREAT! I'll KICK HIS ASS LATER THEN>>>> Maybe he can give some advice on how to shoot! and EDIT! It will be an interesting private thread MUAHHHHH!!
Originally posted by RainMotorsports:
HEY BOTH OF YA BEHAVE - Both are you are gonna be on the same team soon... i hope... i think... maybe? |
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08/01/2007 01:04:35 AM · #29 |
Originally posted by Chinabun:
JUST FREAKIN GREAT! I'll KICK HIS ASS LATER THEN>>>> Maybe he can give some advice on how to shoot! and EDIT! It will be an interesting private thread MUAHHHHH!!
Originally posted by RainMotorsports:
HEY BOTH OF YA BEHAVE - Both are you are gonna be on the same team soon... i hope... i think... maybe? |
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08/01/2007 01:32:55 AM · #30 |
Originally posted by Elvis_L:
Originally posted by levyj413:
Jdannels had a better photo overall. But again, what's the emotion felt by someone playing music? |
As I said. there can be plenty of emotion playing music. Do you think Tori Amos sings Me and a gun with no emotion? how about John Lennon's Imagine. Is there no songs that stir any emotion in you? If not then you are listening to the wrong music. If so then those are the emotions that people have playing it. BTW having fun comes from being happy and happy is an emotion. |
Oops - I missed your earlier response, Elvis.
Hmm. I think this is a case of it just not connecting with me. I guess the emotion in music comes through to me through the music - that is, the sound, not just by someone playing guitar. I can imagine a shot of someone singing that could show emotion without a face, though.
Anyway, thanks for explaining twice. :)
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08/04/2007 12:11:17 PM · #31 |
Originally posted by Elvis_L:
I think the comments really nail it. The shot looks posed and not very punk. she doesn't have a pick and the background is not so great. All in all i think the shot is good but that was enough stuff for people to give 4s I guess. |
The shot looks posed ?
So what! 99.99% of wining shots are posed or have a model in them, there are many on here who I doubt could take an off the cuff shot. The use of a model in every challange has got so bad I now mark them lower on purpose.
I would agree that on this shot the background could be better.
Message edited by author 2007-08-04 12:13:15. |
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08/04/2007 12:27:31 PM · #32 |
Originally posted by whiteflyer:
The shot looks posed ?
So what! 99.99% of wining shots are posed or have a model in them, |
That is funny. I have a an image right now being voted on where the voter said it looked too staged. I thought the same thing, most photos of DPC calibre are staged. At first I was offended.
Then the epiphany struck. Like a bolt of lightening I was passed a message that hurt...
A photo can be staged. No problem with that. But when the photo appears as if it were intentionally staged...well, plan on your score dropping. Now there are some exceptions (still life) but in the end this rule probably holds true.
So, as I have said before...deal with it. Embrace it. And, most importanlty, quit worrying about how a picture is going to be voted on, and take pictures for yourself. If the pictute you are happy with fits a challenge, then submit it.
If you read a challenge and try to push the envelop by submitting a picture you had to contrive to get, well then, be prepared for a long week.
Of course there are a few exceptions to that rule as well, and they don't need me mentioning any names, but you probably refer to their team as a bunch of hogs.
Peace, and be happy! There is so much more to life and happyness than DPC!
Message edited by author 2007-08-04 12:28:31.
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08/04/2007 12:31:02 PM · #33 |
Sorry, couldn't help jumping in here on this convo.
I'm in agreeance with the idea that it didn't really portray "extreme emotion" to me either and I also agree that the other rocker shot did give more emotion to it.
But, I've got a question. A couple of posts mentioned some pretty "nit-picking" criticms like there wasn't a pick in hand, lack of an amp....etc., I have to wonder how those types of details can take the overall score of a photo down? I've seen it happen numerous times to not only my photos, but many others in here. Yet, we have shots of people allegedly hanging in mid-air in front of buildings, people hanging by chains with a "missing link" and we are willing to suspend "realism" for those shots, but we can't suspend judgement about there not being a pick in hand or an amp in the shot????
I entered a photo in the "Faceless Emotion" as well and the comments that I got were, seemingly to be hitting on details that really were bordering on "nit-picking" rather than "constructive" at times. Comments like......"blood looks fake" and "tip of knife missing" "there would have been more blood and it would have splattered...." "the guy in the photo looks too formal" (What the heck was that? LOL)
 I decided not to make the shot look as "realistic" as what I could have in terms of blood simply because there were "warnings" by other members in here NOT to make it look too gorey or voters would turn away, so I chose to make it "representative" of the general idea and emotion. That cost me, obviously. :0 BUT....was the photo really that bad because of the "fake blood" or was it just that voters didn't like the shot, period? In the majority of cases, I think that's what the bottom line was and in this case of the rocker shot, I think the nit-picking detail critiques were really just that the photo wasn't hitting the voter's fancy.
Bottom line here is that we try to find reasons to give as to why we don't like a shot, but we feel the need to give reasons for not liking it and we tend to jump at times to "nit picking" rather than constructive criticsms. Were I to give a reason for not liking the rocker shot, I'd have to simply say that it doesn't portray "extreme emotion" to me as much as some others do. It certainly does portray some emotion, just not extreme enough. Technically as a photograph, it was very well done!
Now, bite my head off. *grin*
Message edited by author 2007-08-04 12:36:05. |
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08/04/2007 12:39:58 PM · #34 |
Out of curiosity -
is there a protocol about setting up someone else's image for this kind of critiquing ?
I know that when we enter we put ourselves at the mercy of the commentators, but in comp coments are not usually scathing diessections of faults and tend to be constructive. Less so in this kind of forum discussion. I see no contribution here from the author, and if it were me I would feel somewhat grieved.
So what about a general rule that post vote griping should be done on the subject of one's own photo ? |
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08/04/2007 12:52:51 PM · #35 |
Avg Vote Received: 5.2265
That's mine. I've had a couple of shots that alot of people liked that were scored in and around there. 5.* isn't really low, it's just the way DPC people vote. Look at the winners, they're usually in the 7's. In any other circumstance, a 7/10 would be good but never exceptional. Alot of the winners are exceptional, and almost no one ever gets a 9.*/10 (never that I've seen). |
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08/04/2007 01:03:44 PM · #36 |
Originally posted by whiteflyer:
Originally posted by Elvis_L:
I think the comments really nail it. The shot looks posed and not very punk. she doesn't have a pick and the background is not so great. All in all i think the shot is good but that was enough stuff for people to give 4s I guess. |
The shot looks posed ?
So what! 99.99% of wining shots are posed or have a model in them, there are many on here who I doubt could take an off the cuff shot. The use of a model in every challange has got so bad I now mark them lower on purpose.
I would agree that on this shot the background could be better. |
I have no problem at all with posed shots but when you are trying to portray punk rock angst playing a guitar it needs to really look like you are playing the guitar. not like you placed your hands over the strings and stood there. that is my point. |
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08/04/2007 01:25:51 PM · #37 |
Originally posted by whiteflyer:
The shot looks posed ? So what!
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The use of a model in every challange has got so bad I now mark them lower on purpose. |
I'm confused. You don't care that a shot is staged, but you mark off for using a model, which by definition means the shot is staged. *scratches head*
Originally posted by Elvis_L:
I have no problem at all with posed shots but when you are trying to portray punk rock angst playing a guitar it needs to really look like you are playing the guitar. not like you placed your hands over the strings and stood there. that is my point. |
Just what I was thinking. Maybe the point is that if you're trying to portray something, you should make it look like that thing. If the thing is typically staged (e.g., a formal portrait), then fine, but if not, then not.
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08/04/2007 01:38:46 PM · #38 |
| I have to agree with most of what was said above. the setting is not right, the guitar is not plugged in... etc etc. too obviously staged. |
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08/04/2007 04:21:09 PM · #39 |
Lobster....excellent point! I just realized that the photographer had not entered a comment.
Mind you, there are "Post Humous Awards" and no one seems to mind having people discuss their work when it comes to an award, do they? I've had my work in that category.
As for this particular shot.....the original thread poster (the one who posted the shot) was actually doing the opposite. She was asking why that photo didn't do better as she felt it worthy of a higher score. So, in a way, it was a compliment to the photographer. But........as is usual in here, DPC'ers can't resist the challenge of finding flaws! *grin*
Originally posted by thelobster:
Out of curiosity -
is there a protocol about setting up someone else's image for this kind of critiquing ?
I know that when we enter we put ourselves at the mercy of the commentators, but in comp coments are not usually scathing diessections of faults and tend to be constructive. Less so in this kind of forum discussion. I see no contribution here from the author, and if it were me I would feel somewhat grieved.
So what about a general rule that post vote griping should be done on the subject of one's own photo ? |
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