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10/31/2007 03:34:42 PM · #26 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
I keep hearing about firewire. What I don't know is, what has to be on the computer to be able to use a firewire reader? What kind of port/connectivity?
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You have to have a firewire port to be able to read firewire devices. ;)
You can get a firewire PCI card for about $20 (or less). They are very cheap. You can get a USB 2.0 card for a bit more but it requires a 64 bit slot (at least the one I bought a while back did). Most people have Firewire 400 but there is an even faster Firewire 800 available. Firewire 800 would be good for hard drives and other external storage devices, although the standard firewire is still pretty fast for hard drives as well.
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10/31/2007 03:47:46 PM · #27 |
is firewire plug and play like usb? or is there certain drivers you need for your/my computer to detect it?
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10/31/2007 03:56:07 PM · #28 |
Originally posted by MikeJ:
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
I keep hearing about firewire. What I don't know is, what has to be on the computer to be able to use a firewire reader? What kind of port/connectivity?
R. |
You have to have a firewire port to be able to read firewire devices. ;)
You can get a firewire PCI card for about $20 (or less). They are very cheap. You can get a USB 2.0 card for a bit more but it requires a 64 bit slot (at least the one I bought a while back did). Most people have Firewire 400 but there is an even faster Firewire 800 available. Firewire 800 would be good for hard drives and other external storage devices, although the standard firewire is still pretty fast for hard drives as well.
Mike |
Firewire port is Mac's version of PC's IEEE 1394 port, correct? So if you have a PC you can use your IEEE 1394 Port. Is this a correct statement? |
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10/31/2007 03:56:47 PM · #29 |
Originally posted by Fetor:
is firewire plug and play like usb? or is there certain drivers you need for your/my computer to detect it? |
XP/Vista might detect it automagically, but you may need drivers. In any case, the PCI card would come with drivers, so no worries. If you do use Vista, I would make sure the card says "Vista compatible".
Originally posted by swhiddon:
Firewire port is Mac's version of PC's IEEE 1394 port, correct? So if you have a PC you can use your IEEE 1394 Port. Is this a correct statement? |
Just checked wikipedia - I think you're right. It's just a nickname. Firewire and IEEE 1394 are the same thing.
Message edited by author 2007-10-31 15:59:47. |
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10/31/2007 03:57:09 PM · #30 |
Originally posted by swhiddon:
Firewire port is Mac's version of PC's IEEE 1394 port, correct? So if you have a PC you can use your IEEE 1394 Port. Is this a correct statement? |
Whatever/wherever the heck THAT is...
R.
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10/31/2007 04:00:25 PM · #31 |
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10/31/2007 07:15:30 PM · #32 |
Originally posted by swhiddon:
Originally posted by MikeJ:
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
I keep hearing about firewire. What I don't know is, what has to be on the computer to be able to use a firewire reader? What kind of port/connectivity?
R. |
You have to have a firewire port to be able to read firewire devices. ;)
You can get a firewire PCI card for about $20 (or less). They are very cheap. You can get a USB 2.0 card for a bit more but it requires a 64 bit slot (at least the one I bought a while back did). Most people have Firewire 400 but there is an even faster Firewire 800 available. Firewire 800 would be good for hard drives and other external storage devices, although the standard firewire is still pretty fast for hard drives as well.
Mike |
Firewire port is Mac's version of PC's IEEE 1394 port, correct? So if you have a PC you can use your IEEE 1394 Port. Is this a correct statement? |
Yep, 1394 is Firewire 400 and 1394b is Firewire 800 (800mbit/sec).
The standard for 1394 is about 15 feet from your Firewire card and 1394b is suppose to be good up to 3300 feet. I guess that extra speed gives it a running start to get down the cable further. :D
1394 uses 6 pin or 4 pin connectors. 1394b uses a 9 pin connector. 6 pin and 9 pin can carry power (up to 45 watts, 1.5 amps, 30 volts) but the 4 pin cables do not.
Mike
Message edited by author 2007-10-31 19:16:14.
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10/31/2007 07:28:10 PM · #33 |
As far as I can see I don't already have that port on my less-than-one-year-old Dell...
R.
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10/31/2007 07:55:06 PM · #34 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
As far as I can see I don't already have that port on my less-than-one-year-old Dell... |
Yup, when I was laptop shopping about a year ago I noticed that not all laptops had the 1394 port, it was optional on some. It's only really in the past couple of years there's been a significant increase in the amount of firewire-enabled peripherals out there (and a lot of peripherals have the two ports, USB and 1394) |
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10/31/2007 08:11:39 PM · #35 |
Just a note: the difference between High Speed and Full Speed USB 2.0.
//www.photoxels.com/article-usb-2.0-high-speed-vs-full-speed.html
//www.everythingusb.com/usb2/faq.htm
Also in the motherboard's BIOS setup, make sure it's set to the High Speed. It could be set to Full Speed. |
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10/31/2007 09:23:20 PM · #36 |
| has anyone seen the new Extreme IV Ducatti editions? there 5mb/s faster than the standard extreme IV's |
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10/31/2007 09:37:28 PM · #37 |
Originally posted by JeffryZ:
I got faster downloads by changing which USB connection I was using. I had always used the one on the front of my computer (easier access) but when I tried one in the back it was tremendously faster. Not sure why though. It used to take many minutes to download say two or three humdred images- now it just a couple it seems (haven't actually timed it- I used to go away and come back and it would still be loading- don't have to do that now).
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Not all USB ports are powered equally, so that may be the difference.
I use a Mac, so I use firewire direct out from the camera, as I figure that if I break the card slot, it's a serious problem, but if the firewire socket goes out, I can always use the usb or a card reader. The Fuji that I use takes XD or CF cards, but I only have one XD just for a backup.
I did drag the camera off the table one time while it was connected though, and that should be reason enough for me to get another card reader.
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11/01/2007 08:24:14 AM · #38 |
| Bear also note that there are two different Firewire ports. Most laptops that have a firewire port have the small 4 port mini port. The standard one is a 6 port but most camcorders and things only use the 4 wires anyways. |
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11/01/2007 09:45:29 AM · #39 |
Originally posted by RainMotorsports:
No that just makes u an Apple Boy lol. Back in the day firewire was a mac thing. Now they both have both. The idea behind usb was everything to be usb... too bad it was too slow and now we still have more then one kind of port..... DAMN IT LMAO! |
I go way beyond desktop systems, a unix system engineer by trade. Got my start on old IBM iron where the 200mg disk drives weighed in at 105lbs each and the systems where the size of a side by side washer and dryer. Back when RISC based processors where just being developed. |
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11/01/2007 10:15:09 AM · #40 |
Originally posted by RainMotorsports:
Routerguy whats the fastest CF card around?
USB is rated for 480Mbits/s which is 60 MegaBytes/s of which the fastest usb devices currently dont reach over 30 MB/s. So if there is a card that can be aread over 30 Megabytes a sec then the firewire reader can make a difference. SD cards suck balls and transfer slow on my system but my back up drive gets 15 Mbps a sec average and higher on peak.
EDIT: Quoting wikipedia against my 60 MB/s says "53.125 MB/s" is the peak theoritcal speed for usb 2.0 HS. From what ive seen firewire is closer to its theortical peak then usb gets. |
A "Sandisk Extreme IV" SF card is rated at WRITE-Speed of:
40 MB/Sec, 320 Mb, or also known as 266x.
So A firewire reader, that averages 40 MB/Sec, may be 25% faster.
That's if the WRITE speed and READ speed are the same for the SF card.
Sometimes Windows XP suggests that I plug my USB Card reader into a higher speed USB-Port. A PC may have several USB ports, some USB-2 and some USB-2. The speed of the CPU and Hard-Drive may make a difference, too. |
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10/14/2008 02:43:41 PM · #41 |
Posting this here just so I have an easy way to find it later: Flash Memory Performance
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10/15/2008 07:15:52 PM · #42 |
Also, don't forget to take into account the new DMA-based cards and readers.
By bypassing to PIO of the CPU and offloading to DMA you get much better rates as well as less CPU hit during the transfer.
If you're really a speed freak. :)
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