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07/27/2007 06:31:11 PM · #26 |
Must have been a horrible sound when they collided. Then followed by explosions and total caos on the ground. I would never want to witness anything like that. I actually get a sick feeling in my stomic seeing it in movies even though I know it is all special effects.
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07/27/2007 06:37:02 PM · #27 |
This may sound ignrant but, either the guy shooting that video was about to puke or it was taped over from someone on the ground.
He sounded very out of breath and either very fake or very freaked.
People ask why im always carrying a camera, its because you neevr know what your gonna see....
Message edited by author 2007-07-27 18:38:04. |
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07/27/2007 06:51:29 PM · #28 |
| He kind of sounded like Radar from MASH.. I reckon he was in shock. Imagine being up in a news helicopter reporting a story and looking over and seeing what he saw. That had to freak the crap out of him. |
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07/27/2007 06:53:01 PM · #29 |
Originally posted by Bugzeye:
He kind of sounded like Radar from MASH.. I reckon he was in shock. Imagine being up in a news helicopter reporting a story and looking over and seeing what he saw. That had to freak the crap out of him. |
At the end he started hyper ventilating. But you heard no running, sounded like noise canceled microphone recording from a copter. It just seemed like dude, okay we get it.
I guess im that heartless guy that stands there snapping the shutter..... |
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07/27/2007 06:57:56 PM · #30 |
Unfortunate situation...but maybe this may change a few things with car chases.
Personally, I would like to see anyone running or being chaased in the car just straight out gunned down. Game over, no chance to endanger any other innocents. You run, your done!
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07/27/2007 06:59:47 PM · #31 |
Originally posted by RainMotorsports:
Originally posted by Bugzeye:
He kind of sounded like Radar from MASH.. I reckon he was in shock. Imagine being up in a news helicopter reporting a story and looking over and seeing what he saw. That had to freak the crap out of him. |
At the end he started hyper ventilating. But you heard no running, sounded like noise canceled microphone recording from a copter. It just seemed like dude, okay we get it.
I guess im that heartless guy that stands there snapping the shutter..... |
It just seems you are unable to empathize with the tragedy and the loss of life. The people who died today are fathers and sons. I would hope you could keep that in mind before just spouting off.
Message edited by author 2007-07-27 19:00:26. |
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07/27/2007 07:00:23 PM · #32 |
Originally posted by dacrazyrn:
Unfortunate situation...but maybe this may change a few things with car chases.
Personally, I would like to see anyone running or being chaased in the car just straight out gunned down. Game over, no chance to endanger any other innocents. You run, your done! |
SO if theres two people in the car ones forcing the other to drive you should just gun them both down? Great start a whole new discussion while your shooting. |
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07/27/2007 07:04:03 PM · #33 |
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
Looks like the guy that stole the truck is going to be held criminally liable for the death of the news media crews. |
Huh?????
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07/27/2007 07:05:16 PM · #34 |
Originally posted by fir3bird:
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
Looks like the guy that stole the truck is going to be held criminally liable for the death of the news media crews. |
Huh????? |
The news crews were helping the police with the chase. So apparently the person involved can be held responsible. |
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07/27/2007 07:16:04 PM · #35 |
Originally posted by LKMote:
The news crews were helping the police with the chase. So apparently the person involved can be held responsible. |
Looks like the news outlets need to re-think their offer of helping the police in chases. They were very lucky that
only 4 people were killed. I suspect if they'd landed in a school yard and killed 30 children they'd find they have deeper pockets than the thief!
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07/27/2007 07:20:23 PM · #36 |
Originally posted by fir3bird:
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
Looks like the guy that stole the truck is going to be held criminally liable for the death of the news media crews. |
Huh????? |
The Police Chief mentioned laws that hold people responsible for any deaths caused by such chases, civilian or otherwise.
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07/27/2007 07:21:47 PM · #37 |
Would find it hard to believe two helicopters from two different stations where officially helping the police. However im sure prosecuters and Police are going to go 100% with that and its the best thing they can do.
Stations helping or not the criminal(s) contributed to the crash |
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07/27/2007 07:37:17 PM · #38 |
Sounds to me like the pilots were too caught up in the chase themselves to monitor their airspace. Every pilot I've ever worked with is VERY cautious of other aircraft, even way out here in the middle of nowhere.
The tragedy here is that this accident was probably 100% avoidable... |
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07/27/2007 08:38:44 PM · #39 |
Originally posted by RainMotorsports:
Would find it hard to believe two helicopters from two different stations where officially helping the police. However im sure prosecuters and Police are going to go 100% with that and its the best thing they can do.
Stations helping or not the criminal(s) contributed to the crash |
The failure of the pilots to pay due diligence is now visited on the offender... makes one wonder.
Ray |
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07/27/2007 08:58:11 PM · #40 |
Originally posted by RainMotorsports:
Stations helping or not the criminal(s) contributed to the crash |
what a crock, how could someone driving their car be responsible for two copters crashing? Yes its a tragic accident(I do mean that), but is just that, an accident, no one on the ground is to blame.
Message edited by author 2007-07-27 20:58:38. |
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07/27/2007 09:08:54 PM · #41 |
Originally posted by Shadowi6:
Originally posted by RainMotorsports:
Stations helping or not the criminal(s) contributed to the crash |
what a crock, how could someone driving their car be responsible for two copters crashing? Yes its a tragic accident(I do mean that), but is just that, an accident, no one on the ground is to blame. |
Heh, and people get prosecuted for not helping someone who is drowning (negligence my ***). Its bullshit but doesn't stop man from making it happen! |
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07/27/2007 09:11:33 PM · #42 |
Originally posted by Shadowi6:
what a crock, how could someone driving their car be responsible for two copters crashing? Yes its a tragic accident(I do mean that), but is just that, an accident, no one on the ground is to blame. |
If I understand correctly, if a police car were to hit a civilian during the chase, the offender would be held criminally responsible in Arizona. While is probably really too early to speculate the path the prosecutors will take, the chief of police made reference to prosecution of the offender for the news crews' deaths.
He stole two cars (two counts of grand theft auto) and endangered lots of lives (reckless endangerment) and evaded arrest and breaking and entering and likely more charges... so, I dunno if prosecutors would need those charges anyway, unless it's just a PR stunt for a gungho prosecutor.
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07/27/2007 09:14:26 PM · #43 |
Originally posted by RayEthier:
The failure of the pilots to pay due diligence is now visited on the offender... makes one wonder.
Ray |
Welcome to the "it's always someone else's fault" society. unless there was mechanical failure, there is no one to blame but the pilots. There is no reason for two copters to get any where near that close. Getting that close to shoot a car chase is just nuts??!! Sad story, sad that 4 people died over something as stupid as a would be highlight on the evening news. |
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07/27/2007 09:15:47 PM · #44 |
To add to Leroy, because i just thought about this. WHat i think is a crock that two helicopters from two stations were officially helping police.
But this is something you cant call a crock. If they were two police helicopters chasing down a car and hit. Accident or not you can bet your ass they would be charged. They were news helicopters makes it slightly different but i think it will easily come down to "They Were Helping the Police" Which i don't believe 100% anyways. Doesn't change the fact that 4 people are dead and millions of dollars in equipment destroyed.
ETA: to loud dog, amen brother!
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07/27/2007 09:37:39 PM · #45 |
Is it a crock? Yeah, probably. I'll be interested to see if it sticks.
Do I care? Nope, shouldn't have been so stupid to steal a car (and then another) and run from police.
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07/27/2007 11:02:50 PM · #46 |
//www.dmcantor.com/arizona-law/Unlawful%20Flight%20from%20Police/?ID=12
Here is the link to the Felony flight law for Arizona. This is now what Channel 3 news is indicating they might use to charge the person with the deaths. I guess we will find out more after the investigation is complete. |
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07/27/2007 11:05:00 PM · #47 |
Originally posted by LoudDog:
unless there was mechanical failure, there is no one to blame but the pilots. There is no reason for two copters to get any where near that close. |
I work with helicopters everyday, and know alot of pilots. Every single story I've heard about machines going down... its ALWAYS pilot error. In this case, both machines wouldve had to experience simultaneous mechanical and radio failures in order to take the blame off the pilots; otherwise, they had absolutely no excuse to be flying in such close proximity that a collision could result. |
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