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01/04/2004 04:47:34 PM · #26 |
Let me first ask that this crap be taken up in the "Rant" forum, which I have masked from me.
Let me secondly point out that I loathe Bush and his interventionist policies.
Let me finally point out that, once again, Hoogie shows a staggering lack of any kind of knowledge about America or Americans. He went on and on about what we were taught in our schools, and he was wrong then. Now he says that 50% of Americans live below the poverty level? My god, get a clue, man. |
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01/04/2004 04:56:39 PM · #27 |
Originally posted by welcher:
Let me first ask that this crap be taken up in the "Rant" forum, which I have masked from me.
Let me secondly point out that I loathe Bush and his interventionist policies.
Let me finally point out that, once again, Hoogie shows a staggering lack of any kind of knowledge about America or Americans. He went on and on about what we were taught in our schools, and he was wrong then. Now he says that 50% of Americans live below the poverty level? My god, get a clue, man. |
your right it should be moved to the rant forum.
and these statistics are correct ,oh and its "poverty line" not level
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01/04/2004 04:57:32 PM · #28 |
"Oil will eventually run out. We all know that."
Not in my lifetime, yours or your great great great great.....grandchildrens. Well you get the point.
Oil will be drilled for 100's of more years. They may have to find more interesting ways to do it......but they will.
Drill oil drive huge SUV's and be happy.
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01/04/2004 05:19:45 PM · #29 |
Originally posted by Riggs:
"Oil will eventually run out. We all know that."
Not in my lifetime, yours or your great great great great.....grandchildrens. Well you get the point.
Oil will be drilled for 100's of more years. They may have to find more interesting ways to do it......but they will.
Drill oil drive huge SUV's and be happy. |
As Neil Young wrote of Bush the Elder:
We've got a thousand points of light for the homeless man
We've got a kinder, gentler machine-gun hand
We've got department stores and toilet paper
Got styrofoam boxes for the ozone layer
Got a man of the people, says "Keep hope alive
"Got fuel to burn, got roads to drive" |
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01/04/2004 05:36:28 PM · #30 |
Originally posted by Hoogie:
I agree with all you say but it seems that most americans living in luxoury is incorrect ,1 in 6 american children are starving to death due to poverty and 50% of americans live below the poverty line.
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Actually, it's more like 12%.
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01/04/2004 07:43:17 PM · #31 |
Originally posted by Riggs:
"Oil will eventually run out. We all know that."
Not in my lifetime, yours or your great great great great.....grandchildrens. Well you get the point.
Oil will be drilled for 100's of more years. They may have to find more interesting ways to do it......but they will.
Drill oil drive huge SUV's and be happy. |
accually your right, we wont run out of oil. cause if we keep drilling and burning at this rate (which increases every year) we will have poluted the planet to the point we wont be able to live on it.
so keep driving those SUV's and turning a blind eye to reality. its the american way! |
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01/04/2004 07:48:43 PM · #32 |
| oh and i dont think this should be moved to the rant section. why would this be considered ranting? i consider it a discussion about current times. |
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01/04/2004 09:14:48 PM · #33 |
let's all go back to a time where horses pulled plows all day and the pony express was the best way to deliver a message. hell let's bring back slavery. automation isn't the problem. in 50 years hopefully there will be no need for oil. alternative energy sources will become huge in the future because they will reduce pollution and general societal problems. people can either choose to make a better future or live second guessing every innovation in history. it's a no brainer. also placing blame on people for the way things are now is pretty silly. everyone knows automobiles were one of the greatest inventions in history. and barely over 100 years old. the protesting people are just like any other human - impatient with no foresight.
if any person were given the choice between two equally priced vehicles, one which uses conventional fuel and causes pollution and one which only produces water, the choice would be 100% pollution free. we're not there yet, but we will be soon and arguments like these show the general ignorance of its supporters
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01/04/2004 09:36:18 PM · #34 |
Originally posted by MadMordegon:
oh and i dont think this should be moved to the rant section. why would this be considered ranting? i consider it a discussion about current times. |
At DPC, forums whose main "focus" is not photography are relegated to the Rant section. |
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01/04/2004 09:49:21 PM · #35 |
Originally posted by achiral:
... automation isn't the problem. in 50 years hopefully there will be no need for oil. alternative energy sources will become huge in the future because they will reduce pollution and general societal problems. people can either choose to make a better future or live second guessing every innovation in history ... |
I heard a good quotation on a program on design:
"We express our faith in the technological ingenuity of our offspring by making sure they'll need it [to survive]."
Just because we CAN find and burn more oil doesn't mean we SHOULD.
What if ... the cost of a gallon of gas included the R&D cost necessary to provide its replacement when it is gone? The TRUE cost of a gallon of gas -- based on the cost necessary to replace it, not just extract, ship, and refine it -- would probably be at least an order of magnitude higher than it is now. Actually, the situation is even worse, because gas is about the least-important fraction of petroleum. Molecules necessary for medicines, dyes, and plastics (among other items) are irreplaceable. Stuff that burns can be made in many ways besides distilling petroleum.
If gas was $15/gallon, how long to you think it would take the automakers to come up with something more viable, and how willing would you be to drive it, even if it cost a few hundred dollars more?
The entire petroleum industry is the most egregious case of short-term exploitation of an important resource for the accumulation of massive individual wealth, at the expense of our children and generations to come.
It may sound funny to say "yeah, we spent your inheritance," but when that inheritance is potable water, breathable air, an intact ozone layer, and enough vestiges of democratic humanity to prevent civil war, it doesn't sound so funny anymore.
Oh, and automation (and "increased productivity" in general) means fewer people to do the same work. Since we have an ever-increasing number of people, decreasing the number of jobs available seems likes a bad long-term strategy, unless your goal is to create a ruling class and a servant/serf class.
Message edited by author 2004-01-04 21:51:40. |
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01/04/2004 10:46:49 PM · #36 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
"We express our faith in the technological ingenuity of our offspring by making sure they'll need it [to survive]."
Just because we CAN find and burn more oil doesn't mean we SHOULD.
If gas was $15/gallon, how long to you think it would take the automakers to come up with something more viable, and how willing would you be to drive it, even if it cost a few hundred dollars more?
The entire petroleum industry is the most egregious case of short-term exploitation of an important resource for the accumulation of massive individual wealth, at the expense of our children and generations to come.
It may sound funny to say "yeah, we spent your inheritance," but when that inheritance is potable water, breathable air, an intact ozone layer, and enough vestiges of democratic humanity to prevent civil war, it doesn't sound so funny anymore.
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very well said General, as usual.
i would like someone to realisticly argue that.
"Human stupidity is an inexhaustible natural resource. Someday we'll learn to generate electrical power from it and change the world." |
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01/05/2004 12:57:28 AM · #37 |
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01/05/2004 12:58:43 AM · #38 |
haha general i was just reading that article.
amazing isnt it? |
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01/05/2004 01:00:34 AM · #39 |
Originally posted by MadMordegon:
haha general i was just reading that article.
amazing isnt it? |
Not so amazing except we were both checking our email ... |
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01/05/2004 01:01:09 AM · #40 |
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01/05/2004 01:05:08 AM · #41 |
Originally posted by MadMordegon:
i meant the article.. :p |
I think I've read the article exerpts before.
Personally, I thought they knew from a few minutes after my mom woke me up that morning ... Isaac and I were visiting and supposed to go to Disneyland that day, but we had to change our plans just a little .... |
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