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05/10/2007 08:40:00 AM · #1


I just looked at this photo on my home monitor and a laptop. Big difference. This looks very rich with detail even in the upper area on my Veiwsonic home monitor. On the laptop, the overall image is bright and blown out.

With so many participants and voters at dpc, how the heck do you calibrate or adjust your photo to the masses? I hate getting comments about blown highlights when I can see them perfectly well. ;)

05/10/2007 08:49:06 AM · #2
Calibrate it to an LCD, using a calibration tool and stick with that. No professional calibrates for the masses they all calibrate for their accuracy and hope to god the idiots have theirs in decent shape.

Even the LCD on my old 486 laptop (circa 1994) shows things that a tube doesnt. The LCD has a higher contrast and naturally does not produce the deep blacks that hide things you may have missed in editing.

Message edited by author 2007-05-10 08:49:27.
05/10/2007 08:55:53 AM · #3
Wonderful detail visible on my laptop (17 inch UltraSharpâ„¢ Wide Screen UXGA Display with TrueLifeâ„¢ from Dell). Nice pic too, by the way. :)
05/10/2007 08:56:59 AM · #4
I've been doing the opposite. Thanks for the input, Jeffrey...and compliment, Bill. :)

Message edited by author 2007-05-10 09:01:20.
05/10/2007 09:02:41 AM · #5
Originally posted by Marjo:

I've been doing the opposite. Thanks for the input.


You can set you monitor up to a certain extent without any external tools. Fnd yoursel a contrast chart and set you brightness.

Typically @ 9300K Color Temperature 100% contrast 50% Brightness works out well.

But if you can afford 99 or more for the tool then you want to get your monitor and printer all synced up.

If your monitor allows easy access to the brightness control after editing turn it up and down just to get an idea of what other people might run into.
05/10/2007 09:04:48 AM · #6
Does not look blown out at all on my laptop, plenty of detail. (Macbook Pro and yes it is calibrated.)
05/10/2007 09:11:43 AM · #7
I have ann LG Studioworks 995E calibrated 17" monitor and I see plenty of detail in that photo and it doesn't look blown out to me at all.

P.S. I am jealous of that very gorgeous shot!
05/10/2007 09:15:01 AM · #8
I've been using the gradient chart but the adjustments aren't holding lately. Everytime I restart it goes back. I may break down and buy a calibration program...this time. I've posted about calibration issues before. :(
05/10/2007 09:18:27 AM · #9
I viewed it on my 22" wide-screen LCD monitor at three different setting and viewed it on my 17" CRT monitor and here is what I see on both.

05/10/2007 09:23:01 AM · #10
Yuk. How awful is that? ;) Now what do I do?

Greetmir and Patio127: Thanks for the favorites...and...do not, I repeat, do not look at swhiddon's post. :)

Message edited by author 2007-05-10 09:31:12.
05/10/2007 09:31:34 AM · #11
Originally posted by Marjo:

Yuk. How awful is that? ;) Now what do I do?


Here is a little edit - how does it look on your monitor?


ETA: Please don't take my post the wrong way. You asked and I answered based on my monitors. You original photograph is very nice, pleasing to the eye and very well composed. In a challenge I would have rated it a 7 or 8. I was just critiquing your question about was any highlights blown out.

Thanks,
SDW

Message edited by author 2007-05-10 09:40:17.
05/10/2007 09:37:36 AM · #12
Originally posted by Marjo:

I've been using the gradient chart but the adjustments aren't holding lately. Everytime I restart it goes back. I may break down and buy a calibration program...this time. I've posted about calibration issues before. :(


The LCD shouldnt have these problems unless its a software thing not remembering. If the tube is sorta old and doing this they tend to do that. My old 17 inch Nokia CRT wont remember its settings.
05/10/2007 09:38:01 AM · #13
Overall darker. It's lost the translucence. The highlighted areas look a lot better though. If I was editing your edit, I'd hit the auto contrast or play with the levels to bring it back up.
05/10/2007 09:45:30 AM · #14
Originally posted by swhiddon:

Originally posted by Marjo:

Yuk. How awful is that? ;) Now what do I do?


Here is a little edit - how does it look on your monitor?


ETA: Please don't take my post the wrong way. You asked and I answered based on my monitors. You original photograph is very nice, pleasing to the eye and very well composed. In a challenge I would have rated it a 7 or 8. I was just critiquing your question about was any highlights blown out.

Thanks,
SDW


Of course I'm not taking it the wrong way. Don't even think it. Thanks so much for responding to my post. Very helpful info!! :)

and my monitor is two years old already. As equipment goes...I guess it's in its senior years.

Message edited by author 2007-05-10 09:49:58.
05/10/2007 09:51:09 AM · #15
Not necesarilly I had a 1994 14in NEC Multisync 2v and i had it till 2005 and as far as i know its still working with the next owner had very deep and rich color and great brightness.

My 1995 29inch Viewsonic (Sony Tube) Still works but its look a bit purple these days.

Then again.... my grand parents had a viewsonic go up in 5 days, I have had 3 of the same HP model go up 1 month each. And ive had countless moniters forget how to remember lol.

So it varies i guess.
05/10/2007 09:58:23 AM · #16
Everthing perfect on my Apple Cinema HD Display. Must be swhiddons monitor that is not calibrated :)
05/10/2007 01:45:04 PM · #17
Originally posted by eyewave:

Ever thing perfect on my Apple Cinema HD Display. Must be swhiddons monitor that is not calibrated :)

OK - You got me! I am a stickler for wanting my monitor calibrated but I have not checked it in about a month. After your post my first thought was "yea, right - I know my monitor is calibrated" and I did see you smiley face so I know you were saying it in a joking manner. But it made me think. Now I did get a few comments in my PI II challenge that would suggest that my monitor was setup with to high of contrast.

To make a long story short my monitor was in fact "NOT" calibrated. So I just ran it through adobe calibration and sure enough Marjo picture did "NOT" have blow highlights. Yes it had a few small 255.255.255 areas but that is not blown out. So first I owe Marjo an apology for giving wrong advice and thank her for starting this thread because instead of helping her, she helped me see that my monitor was not calibrated.

I suggest everyone calibrate their monitor at least once a month or maybe every Sunday to make sure it is calibrated correctly before voting. I know I will from know on.

Again sorry for the incorrect info I gave you earlier and thanks eyewave for your post that had me checking my settings.

SDW

Message edited by author 2007-05-10 13:47:05.
05/10/2007 01:52:59 PM · #18
im sorry but... LMAO
05/10/2007 01:59:31 PM · #19
Yea. One more voter has a calibrated monitor. Only 500,000 to go. ;)
05/10/2007 02:00:44 PM · #20
Originally posted by RainMotorsports:

im sorry but... LMAO

I have to be honest, I made a mistake and owning up to it.
05/10/2007 02:05:27 PM · #21
Even properly calibrated, my laptop and desktop's CRT show things very differently. Specifically, the laptop is a lot brighter.

I do most of my work on my desktop and then check it on my laptop before submitting.
05/10/2007 02:07:07 PM · #22
Originally posted by swhiddon:

Originally posted by RainMotorsports:

im sorry but... LMAO

I have to be honest, I made a mistake and owning up to it.


It's a great person that can own up to mistakes. But I would hardly classify this as a mistake. I love that this thread has gotten a few to take a better look at calibration which was partly my intent when I posted.
Besides, That's what this site is all about, imho. :) Helping each other with input and learning.
05/10/2007 02:20:28 PM · #23
Hi Marjo,

I am using a lap-top monitor so take that into account. I see great detail, no blown highlights here. But I do see some smears to the left, the one that Scott pointed out and another one closer to the upper left corner. I only see those if I move up and down my monitor, at the correct level it looks really nice.

[thumbs up] great pic!
05/10/2007 02:44:10 PM · #24
Originally posted by Valdo:

Hi Marjo,

I am using a lap-top monitor so take that into account. I see great detail, no blown highlights here. But I do see some smears to the left, the one that Scott pointed out and another one closer to the upper left corner. I only see those if I move up and down my monitor, at the correct level it looks really nice.

[thumbs up] great pic!

thanks, I saw those, too, on my laptop but not on my crt. Just the different shadow play in the bg when I shot it. There wasn't much effort in the editing. Threw a vinette black border around the outside edge, liked it and posted. I may go back and deepen the bg...probably not, though. Oh, yeah. cloned out a critter.


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