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Nikon AF Nikkor 50mm f/1.8D

05/09/2007 01:13:51 PM · #78

Votes: 54
Views: 66
Avg Vote: 5.7593
Comments: 0

going up :D and yes, I've got dpc open and i reload the page every hour, 10 minutes past :P This is what I call "pretending to study.."

Fairfield20

05/09/2007 03:16:27 PM · #79

Votes: 55

Views: 97

Avg Vote: 2.2182

Comments: 11

2.2 ?

Is it too late to hope for a 3.0?

Sigh.

Jason_Cross

Nikon D50

05/09/2007 03:26:30 PM · #80

Originally posted by Fairfield20:

Votes: 55

Views: 97

Avg Vote: 2.2182

Comments: 11

2.2 ?

Is it too late to hope for a 3.0?

Sigh.

Wow was it a photo of you murdering a puppy or something?

ZeppKash

Samsung Pro815

05/09/2007 03:31:30 PM · #81

Votes: 65
Views: 108
Avg Vote: 7.7538

:-D

Fairfield20

05/09/2007 03:36:05 PM · #82

Murdering a puppy is not a sport. And it's not
considered murder if it craps on a new expensive rug.
I'm talking about wall to wall shag carpeting here.

bod

05/09/2007 03:43:40 PM · #83

Originally posted by hahn23:

Originally posted by charliebaker:
originally posted by hahn23
I agree with you. Clearly some juvenile behavior evident, which should be squelched sooner, rather than later. A DQ for "going for the brown" mockery of the challenge would be justice. For all of us who entered and voted in good faith, those who act in bad faith steal our time and energy.

I disagree. In the world of sports, you have plenty of examples of clowning", entertainment, acting silly and playfulness, all of which happens in the arena in relationship to the sporting event, but none of which is professional pursuit of the "win". Are these sporting clowns (some of whom are the actual professional atheletes) wasting everyone's time and acting in bad faith? If sports is only about winning I'd agree. But sports like photography is about many more things than how high you score! Entries which are "going for the brown" waste nobody's time since nobody is required to vote on any specific entry, just on 20% overall. "Going for the Brown" is not acting in bad faith, nor is it stealing anyone's time and energy. It may merely be a playful way of participating in the sport of DPC, having fun on the sidelines while all the serious folks are out there on the field getting sweaty over the score.

And, some think building defacement graffiti is "fine art". Yes, we have clowns. I wouldn't suggest offending the first rate clowns by saying the Brown crowd is somehow akin to them. What we have at DPC is sort of like the occasional drunken fan who runs across the football field... naked and out of control.... in order to get "exposure" on national television.

So who gets to decide what counts as going for the brown, what is just poor photography, what is a beginner's effort and what is experimental?

hahn23

Canon EOS-5D Mark IV

Canon EF 24-105mm f/4.0L IS II USM Lens

05/09/2007 03:49:18 PM · #84

Originally posted by bod:

...So who gets to decide what counts as going for the brown, what is just poor photography, what is a beginner's effort and what is experimental?

Without talking about any specific images, there is a clear difference between the images which are intentionally sabotaged to be ugly and those which are simply a beginner's misguided pathway. Seems very obvious to me. The "Go for the Brown" images are too clever by half.

BeckyT

Nikon D300s

Nikon AF-S DX NIKKOR 18-200mm f/3.5-5.6G ED VR II

05/09/2007 03:55:26 PM · #85

Sports III
Votes: 59
Views: 83
Avg Vote: 6.0678
Comments: 0

hotpasta

Nikon D800

Sigma 70-200mm f/2.8 EX DG APO IF for Pentax

05/09/2007 04:55:48 PM · #86

Goin' OK

Votes: 67
Views: 89
Avg Vote: 6.9701
Comments: 11
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Wish Lists: 0
Updated: 05/09/07 04:45 pm

Nobody

Pentax K-S2

05/09/2007 05:03:25 PM · #87

Originally posted by Nobody:

28 votes
7.00

I haven't been in sevens in a while. Feels good.

Didn't last long:

64 votes
6.5312

parallax

Nikon D700

Nikon AF Nikkor 50mm f/1.8D

05/09/2007 05:18:58 PM · #88

Votes: 73
Views: 118
Avg Vote: a Personal Best so far
Comments: 6
Favorites: 0
Wish Lists: 0
Updated: 05/09/07 05:10 pm

charliebaker

Canon PowerShot S2 IS

05/09/2007 05:30:34 PM · #89

originally posted by hahn23
And, some think building defacement graffiti is \"fine art\". Yes, we have clowns. I wouldn\'t suggest offending the first rate clowns by saying the Brown crowd is somehow akin to them. What we have at DPC is sort of like the occasional drunken fan who runs across the football field... naked and out of control.... in order to get \"exposure\" on national television.

I'm fascinated by hahn23's phrase "The Brown Crowd". The post quoted above is written as though every person who places last on DPC has somehow defaced this pristine website! I'm wondering how a challenge would happen without someone placing last. Like every league of team sports, there will always be those who place first and those who place last. Last place teams are not necessarily offensive or defacing the name of sports. Neither does it help the DPC league of photographers to compare "the Brown crowd" with naked drunken fans seeking unseemly exposure. That some photographers occasionally try to place last takes nothing away from those who try to place first. If anything, they create more room for ribbon seekers to move up the competitive ladder.

dizus

Nikon D700

05/09/2007 05:41:01 PM · #90

Votes: 75
Views: 92
Avg Vote: 5.9333
Comments: 0

yay, still going up! I would love a few comments though :/

and to someone who was at 2.2 and hoping for a 3: at least you got 11 comments, some of them must have said anything about why they scored you so low?

05/09/2007 05:46:35 PM · #91

Originally posted by okiesisi:

Originally posted by heavyj:
Was this challenge suppose to have motion in it? Was there suppose to be some form of action involved in the picture? Someone running, or hitting a ball etc? Are people getting lower scores because there's no actual motion?

this would be my guess...although, when capturing a sport, and the pic is clear, does that mean its not motion??? can you really be sure????
~~S

The quality of the image should stand on it's own.

Motion, or not is up to the artist. It is up to the viewer to determine if the image stands on it's own.

Just because there is no motion in the image does not mean that there was not. A high shutter speed will stop motion.

Dirt_Diver

Nikon D3s

05/09/2007 05:46:51 PM · #92

Message edited by author 2007-05-09 17:47:10.

Nikon AF-S DX 18-105 f/3.5-5.6 ED VR

05/09/2007 05:59:48 PM · #93

Originally posted by rlinn3:

although, when capturing a sport, and the pic is clear, does that mean its not motion??? can you really be sure????
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If the pic is clear when stopping motion you can usually tell if there is an action going on by the persons body position or expression.
I've been scoring this one rather tightly, but I've tried to leave a comment on everything I've scored 5 or less, if I offend anyone that is not my intent, it's just my opinion.
If there are people in the picture and I can't see there faces or they are off in the distance, or if there is blur in the photo's main subject I will not rate higher than a 5.
Once again just my opinion, but if you look in any paper or magazine the pics are usually in focus and a tight crop on the subject, with no more than 2 to 5 players in the pic, with no blur unless it's a pan shot of something or someone in motion and then the main subject is uually in focus.

There definetly are guidelines to sports photography, that would be inappropriate of me to copy and paste right now.

But, one could go to Sports Shooterand find these guidelines, or one could go to my blog Sports Pictureto find these guidelines.

To tell the truth, I have seen little in the challenge that even come close to the guidelines.

jaysonmc

Nikon D200

Nikon MF 105mm f/2.5 AIS

05/09/2007 06:18:56 PM · #94

Originally posted by American_Horse:

Rather than posting links to external websites, have you been leaving comments for these pictures entailing what might be wrong? These are far more helpful to those new to sports photography (and just photography in general). At least for me, someone who really doesn't shoot these kind of photos day to day.

Fairfield20

05/09/2007 06:27:02 PM · #95

The voters have spoken and based on the
2.2 avg. and 12 comments, they're saying that
I should go back to playing it safe. So I should
stop taking experimental risks, and trying something different.

I realize now that I should just leave risk taking to the pros,
who have the prerequisite skills to realize their artistic vision.
Skills that I obviously don't have yet.

It's a lesson learned.

abranton

Sony DSC-W7

05/09/2007 06:34:57 PM · #96

Originally posted by Fairfield20:

OR you can continue taking risks and do what makes you happy or what you like. You can take risks with some & play it safe with others. Hopefully you are at least getting helpful comments.

Olympus 12-40mm f/2.8 Pro

05/09/2007 07:15:02 PM · #97

Originally posted by jaysonmc:

Rather than posting links to external websites, have you been leaving comments for these pictures entailing what might be wrong? T

Originally posted by American_Horse:

Stats: You have rated 228 of 229 images (100%) in this challenge.

You have commented on 5 images (2%) in this challenge.

I shoot a lot of sports.

Been doing so for a while now.

Hope to give more feed back during the voting process.

Do you read all of the posts before making assumptions?

V\Stats: You have rated 227 of 228 images (100%) in this challenge.
You have commented on 12 images (5%) in this challenge.

I've got all week to try and get all 227 images. Be patient kid.

jaysonmc

Nikon D200

Nikon MF 105mm f/2.5 AIS

05/09/2007 07:21:28 PM · #98

Originally posted by American_Horse:

I wasn't making an assumption, I was asking just asking a question.
Cheers.

Ann

Olympus OM-D E-M1

05/09/2007 07:45:44 PM · #99

Originally posted by Fairfield20:

The voters have spoken and based on the
2.2 avg. and 12 comments, they're saying that
I should go back to playing it safe. So I should
stop taking experimental risks, and trying something different.

If you really want a high score, then, yes, you need to stay further inside the box. The winners may do things "outside the box," but they have a pretty good grasp of the fundamentals of focus, lighting and composition before they step out. Regardless of what you might read in these forums, getting a top score in a challenge requires a fair amount of skill. Look at Judi's free study entry:

It's definitely outside the box, definitely art, and the risk she took is reflected in her score. It's also an amazing piece, that took a huge amount of skill, and many hours of work.

Whether or not scoring high is a skill you want to take the time and effort to develop is up to you. Plenty of people have a great time entering challenges without spending much time worrying about winning. If the score doesn't matter, then do what makes you happy.