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05/07/2007 01:06:38 AM · #26 |
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
Originally posted by TooCool:
Originally posted by noisemaker:
I know my image is objective but really if you find an image offensive please don't vote on it just becauseyou dont think its "right" |
Excuse me? Don't tell me not to vote down because I'm put off by YOUR choice of subject material... |
Now see what you've done, Dustin? You awoke a sleeping giant. Keep watch over your brains tonight. :P |
haha! good thing I live in Canada...... I'll go hide in my Igloo with my pet Polarbear... |
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05/07/2007 01:12:23 AM · #27 |
You can argue technicals. You can't argue feelings.
People voted it down because of the content, plain and simple - move on to your next photo. If you don't want people to react, don't take reactionary photos. |
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05/07/2007 01:14:50 AM · #28 |
| Part of voting or appreciation for art is subject matter as well as how it is presented. Many technically perfect photos throughout the world are not appreciated yet other poor technically challenged photos are well regarded. In this case I think you presented a subject that makes people sad, unhappy, scared or repulsed. Many are here to have fun, be uplifted, laugh and feel good. I did not vote on it but would not have voted very high, it did nothing to make me feel good or uplift my spirit. Your subject had emotional impact and would do well in other venues. Generally overall gore and blood will with a dark side may not do as well here as a happy, scenic, friendly uplifting subject matter. I for one do not come to DPC for dark unfriendly issues and that really will affect voting. The bell curve is actually very good, I agree a few too many 1's and 2's but also far too many 9's and 10's. |
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05/07/2007 01:14:59 AM · #29 |
You said it yourself "i bet i'll get scored down for the gore, oh well i don't mind. This is exactly 100% how i visioned this one."
If you "don't mind"... then don't worry about it. You already know the reason you got 1's and 2's.. its because its not the "norm" kinda shot. If you want high scores, shoot ladybugs and flowers.. if you want to stay true to who you are then don't worry what your score is, don't worry how others rate your work..
Edgar Degas sculpted a bronze of a ballerina with a wire and cloth skirt. It's breathtaking, I've seen it in person, almost cried I loved it so much (I'm a silly girl hehe). Her face is very realistic, lots of wrinkles, and the girl is not "pretty". He was shunned from the Salon's in Paris at the time because his work was not flattering to the eye. I don't have to tell you how much that sculpture is worth today considering its one of only a few he ever attempted since he was a painter. But he continued, he never stopped, because HE liked what he did. He continued to submit his works to the Salon, some were accepted, some were rejected, but he continued.
I like your work, I've talked about you behind your back with another DPC'er (the other day as a matter of fact). My advice is, if you want to learn from the competitions, don't post threads asking if people agree with your score, post threads asking how somoene else would have processed this or how they would have done the make up or staged the scene, etc. You already know if "people agree with your score" because you received that score from the very people you are askin, its an oxymoron question.
I gave it a 10, only one of 5 in this challenge. |
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05/07/2007 01:15:49 AM · #30 |
do you want to take photo's that everybody likes?
how boring.
take it as a compliment that you have stirred a little emotion in people, and move on.
or dig a hole... |
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05/07/2007 01:18:22 AM · #31 |
Originally posted by PhantomEWO:
Part of voting or appreciation for art is subject matter as well as how it is presented. Many technically perfect photos throughout the world are not appreciated yet other poor technically challenged photos are well regarded. In this case I think you presented a subject that makes people sad, unhappy, scared or repulsed. Many are here to have fun, be uplifted, laugh and feel good. I did not vote on it but would not have voted very high, it did nothing to make me feel good or uplift my spirit. Your subject had emotional impact and would do well in other venues. Generally overall gore and blood will with a dark side may not do as well here as a happy, scenic, friendly uplifting subject matter. I for one do not come to DPC for dark unfriendly issues and that really will affect voting. The bell curve is actually very good, I agree a few too many 1's and 2's but also far too many 9's and 10's. |
Sure there are alot of "happy" photos on here, but the site is for all kinds of photography, not just happy. But I know I just didn't think it would have been this controversal |
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05/07/2007 01:21:14 AM · #32 |
Originally posted by aerogurl:
You said it yourself "i bet i'll get scored down for the gore, oh well i don't mind. This is exactly 100% how i visioned this one."
If you "don't mind"... then don't worry about it. You already know the reason you got 1's and 2's.. its because its not the "norm" kinda shot. If you want high scores, shoot ladybugs and flowers.. if you want to stay true to who you are then don't worry what your score is, don't worry how others rate your work..
Edgar Degas sculpted a bronze of a ballerina with a wire and cloth skirt. It's breathtaking, I've seen it in person, almost cried I loved it so much (I'm a silly girl hehe). Her face is very realistic, lots of wrinkles, and the girl is not "pretty". He was shunned from the Salon's in Paris at the time because his work was not flattering to the eye. I don't have to tell you how much that sculpture is worth today considering its one of only a few he ever attempted since he was a painter. But he continued, he never stopped, because HE liked what he did. He continued to submit his works to the Salon, some were accepted, some were rejected, but he continued.
I like your work, I've talked about you behind your back with another DPC'er (the other day as a matter of fact). My advice is, if you want to learn from the competitions, don't post threads asking if people agree with your score, post threads asking how somoene else would have processed this or how they would have done the make up or staged the scene, etc. You already know if "people agree with your score" because you received that score from the very people you are askin, its an oxymoron question.
I gave it a 10, only one of 5 in this challenge. |
I agree, I agree with alot of people in here, I just don't don't think before i make threads, then i end up regretting it, I don't want a reputation as the "whiny little kid" so i hereby call this my last whiney thread....
haha i don't know if you talking about me is a good thing or bad thing!
-Dustin |
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05/07/2007 01:28:07 AM · #33 |
I have a little bit of a problem with the way this photo was voted on as well. I am Dustin's (noisemaker) girlfriend, and I am NOT biased because I am his girlfriend, I just DO NOT agree with how some people reacted to the photo. I would never tell someone how to vote, and I would NEVER deny someone the right to tell me why he deserves the low votes.
I know when a photo is going to do well in the challenges or not, and half the time the photos that win in contests are the most censored ones. Sure flowers and rainbows are pretty, but do you all not get sick of seeing that? Is it SO TERRIBLE to see a photograph that is a little bit different, one that will stir up different emotions for you?
Of course the thread seems whiny to you, but of course all of you whiners that voted down, are going to rub off on him.
This situation reminds me of a quote by Mark Twain. "Censorship is telling a man he can't have a steak because a baby can't chew it."
All you babies who can't put up with a little bit of gore, are saying that a man (or woman!) shouldn't have his steak!
Next time when you are voting on a photograph that has a more controversial subject, try to look past that. If you can't look past the subject and try to see the technical brilliance of it, you shouldn't be given the privilege to vote. |
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05/07/2007 01:28:17 AM · #34 |
I'll bite. Yeah. I gave ya a 4.
Why? Well the photography was up to scrath so that placed you in the 5-6 bracket. Nothing lept out at me to bump you up. Although the three images clearly tell a story together, I felt they didn't hold together well as triptych should - a disjointed story if you will, which brought you down to 5. Then I hit you with a -1 for dark distastfulness. Had the photography, or the triptych really impressed me you would have done better, but I would never give this concept a 10.
*Sits back and waits* |
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05/07/2007 01:31:33 AM · #35 |
Originally posted by noisemaker:
haha i don't know if you talking about me is a good thing or bad thing!
-Dustin |
It was a good thing  |
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05/07/2007 01:35:09 AM · #36 |
Originally posted by infatuated:
I would never tell someone how to vote, and I would NEVER deny someone the right to tell me why he deserves the low votes. |
Originally posted by infatuated:
Next time when you are voting on a photograph that has a more controversial subject, try to look past that. If you can't look past the subject and try to see the technical brilliance of it, you shouldn't be given the privilege to vote. |
Ok... seriously, WTF?
You would never tell someone how to vote, but you are not only instructing them how to vote, but telling them that if they don't do so in the manner that you expect, they shouldn't even HAVE a vote.
He didn't get a 3.. or even a 4. Hell, it was even a high 5. So some people voted him lower than he would have liked. That happens to every photo in every challenge. If a photo has controversial or disturbing content, it's going to get some low votes. Did everyone vote like that? No.
Get a grip on yourself.
ETA: Technicals have _nothing_ on a photo if it doesn't carry emotion to the viewer.
Message edited by author 2007-05-07 01:35:58. |
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05/07/2007 01:36:11 AM · #37 |
Originally posted by aerogurl:
Originally posted by noisemaker:
haha i don't know if you talking about me is a good thing or bad thing!
-Dustin |
It was a good thing |
well that's good |
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05/07/2007 01:37:22 AM · #38 |
Originally posted by chimericvisions:
Originally posted by infatuated:
I would never tell someone how to vote, and I would NEVER deny someone the right to tell me why he deserves the low votes. |
Originally posted by infatuated:
Next time when you are voting on a photograph that has a more controversial subject, try to look past that. If you can't look past the subject and try to see the technical brilliance of it, you shouldn't be given the privilege to vote. |
Ok... seriously, WTF?
You would never tell someone how to vote, but you are not only instructing them how to vote, but telling them that if they don't do so in the manner that you expect, they shouldn't even HAVE a vote.
He didn't get a 3.. or even a 4. Hell, it was even a high 5. So some people voted him lower than he would have liked. That happens to every photo in every challenge. If a photo has controversial or disturbing content, it's going to get some low votes. Did everyone vote like that? No.
Get a grip on yourself.
ETA: Technicals have _nothing_ on a photo if it doesn't carry emotion to the viewer. |
Buddy it's called an opinion, were all entitled to it |
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05/07/2007 01:40:10 AM · #39 |
I left you a comment Noise. I know your stuff sometimes goes outside the lines. I think that the fact that you created such a stir says a lot about the entry. The score isn't what I would care about here. Its the reaction. You've hit peoples psyche's in dome pretty dark places with this.
Some people appreciate it as form of art. Some people enjoy "The Raven", "Cujo", "Friday the Thirteenth" and Silence of the Lambs. As Stephen King once said (and I am paraphrasing here) "I filter all the leaves and darkness in grate in my mind. It is from what is left behind that I write".
You've touched on our dark side. Some of us are scared. Some don't mind it. And some...really like it.
(I wish I could get end with a maniacal laugh)
Anyways, keep on keeping on man. You've got some fans around here (like me)who enjoy your stuff.
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05/07/2007 01:44:29 AM · #40 |
I liked it better than this image, but I am curious how Dustin or his girlfriend would have voted on the linked image - or 3 variations of it in a triptych challenge? Look beyond your initial reaction and take in the colors and the crispness and detail. Sure it's not roses and ladybugs, but isn't this a refreshing change of pace?
edit: *maniacal laugh*
Seriously, to expect people to ignore the subject matter when voting is a ridiculous request, IMO.
Message edited by author 2007-05-07 01:46:11. |
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05/07/2007 01:47:26 AM · #41 |
| It is certainly better than SOME of the photos I have seen on here. Sometimes a good shit is refreshing. |
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05/07/2007 01:48:49 AM · #42 |
Originally posted by infatuated:
It is certainly better than SOME of the photos I have seen on here. Sometimes a good shit is refreshing. |
Yeah well, granted it is better than more than half my challenge entries. :/ |
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05/07/2007 01:55:50 AM · #43 |
| I think the comments you didn't mark as helpful were the ones that really explain the low scores that people thought it deserved and it seems alot of those thoughts are repeated in this thread. When you get one negative comment, you can disallow it as one person's opinion, but when it is repeated by several commentors I find then it is more of a general sentiment of the voters. Its up to you to accept that you will get these comments and create images you want or make adjustments suggested to raise your score. Your photo received 39 comments and two favs during the challenge. I would consider this a success. Telling voters to skip a photo if they don't like its content only discourages voting IMO. I would have given it a 6 or 7. Technically good, I would have expected the shot of the gravedigger to have blood and dirt on him, unless he dug the hole before the abuse, also the hands in the sink are pretty clean, but the sink isn't that dirty. |
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05/07/2007 02:03:00 AM · #44 |
Originally posted by jdannels:
I think the comments you didn't mark as helpful were the ones that really explain the low scores that people thought it deserved and it seems alot of those thoughts are repeated in this thread. When you get one negative comment, you can disallow it as one person's opinion, but when it is repeated by several commentors I find then it is more of a general sentiment of the voters. Its up to you to accept that you will get these comments and create images you want or make adjustments suggested to raise your score. Your photo received 39 comments and two favs during the challenge. I would consider this a success. Telling voters to skip a photo if they don't like its content only discourages voting IMO. I would have given it a 6 or 7. Technically good, I would have expected the shot of the gravedigger to have blood and dirt on him, unless he dug the hole before the abuse, also the hands in the sink are pretty clean, but the sink isn't that dirty. |
did i miss some comments? because the only ones i didnt check were the 2 word comments saying like gross or stuff like that, ill take a look. i mark negative comments helpful usually.
i do think it was a success, i started the thread off wrong, but its too late to fix it now |
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05/07/2007 02:07:13 AM · #45 |
| looking back i see i didnt miss anything. all the unchecked ones just say "great" or disturbing" or "i dont like it" |
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05/07/2007 02:14:35 AM · #46 |
| off topic message to some - being ignorant about an ugly issue doesn't make that issue non-existent. trying to see from both sides of the argument - nobody likes domestic violence (except maybe the sadist-jerk who likes hurting people) but voting it down will not reduce domestic violence. on the other hand, Dustin, when people dislike what they see (be it an ugly issue, told by a good photo) they would likely to vote it to their feelings. |
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05/07/2007 02:16:28 AM · #47 |
Originally posted by noisemaker:
looking back i see i didnt miss anything. all the unchecked ones just say "great" or disturbing" or "i dont like it" |
with the exception of "err" and "great". I would say comments like "That is so disgusting", "creepy", "wow a bit disturbing!" "don't like this one" are the telling comments that really explain the low votes and why they didn't like it. but thats just my opinion. |
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05/07/2007 02:26:47 AM · #48 |
Originally posted by jdannels:
Originally posted by noisemaker:
looking back i see i didnt miss anything. all the unchecked ones just say "great" or disturbing" or "i dont like it" |
with the exception of "err" and "great". I would say comments like "That is so disgusting", "creepy", "wow a bit disturbing!" "don't like this one" are the telling comments that really explain the low votes and why they didn't like it. but thats just my opinion. |
well its not really "explaining" them, explaining them would be i dont like this BECAUSE or this is creep BECAUSE, this is so disgusting, MAYBE you could have done this.. |
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05/07/2007 02:40:35 AM · #49 |
Originally posted by noisemaker:
yes i know im a whiner and complainer!
I guess my score wasnt thaaat bad (5.7) but what really ticks me off is the 9 1's and 7 3's. I know my image is objective but really if you find an image offensive please don't vote on it just becauseyou dont think its "right"
Here is my image:
I would appreciate comments and suggestions as well!
-Dustin |
I have left a post comment on your photo, and as I voted 100% I did not see your name on this image, I saw it offensive, and away from the reality I try to escape into in photography regarding this type of subject, I leave this to the photojournalists, and media getters.
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05/07/2007 02:48:24 AM · #50 |
Originally posted by noisemaker:
Originally posted by jdannels:
Originally posted by noisemaker:
looking back i see i didnt miss anything. all the unchecked ones just say "great" or disturbing" or "i dont like it" |
with the exception of "err" and "great". I would say comments like "That is so disgusting", "creepy", "wow a bit disturbing!" "don't like this one" are the telling comments that really explain the low votes and why they didn't like it. but thats just my opinion. |
well its not really "explaining" them, explaining them would be i dont like this BECAUSE or this is creep BECAUSE, this is so disgusting, MAYBE you could have done this.. |
That is true, but looking at 5 or 6 comments saying the same thing should tell you something too. A photo with a dead beaten young woman, with the assaulter digging a grave to bury her and washing his hands clean to get away with it will be disturbing, gross and not liked by all. thats what the comments say to me, that's my point. its just my way of trying to find something useful from as many comments as possible :)
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