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04/30/2007 06:53:47 AM · #51 |
just to expand on a few points i found in this thread...
you are loaded with potential, lorrie. if you want to make money at this thing, you can do it...BUT, you are going to have to make a commitment to both mastering the technicals and obtaining proper gear.
you cannot expect to learn 'on the job', taking paying assignments then hoping for the best. you definitely do not want to be experimenting with new equipment/accessories until after you have gotten the shots that you are being paid for. you need to get your friend corinne to go outside with you for a few hours to PRACTICE, PRACTICE, PRACTICE. use the tips in this thread as a starter. try different settings, different distances, different light directions. even try to do things wrong so that you can put them side-by-side with the right ones in order to note the technical differences between right and wrong. get some books on lighting and portrait shooting and work your way through them.
if you want to compete, you simply can't go into it haphazardly, hoping to be able to fix it in post-processing...
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04/30/2007 07:56:24 AM · #52 |
Originally posted by Azrifel:
Originally posted by gi_joe05:
as a former d70 owner...I'm sorry. That is about the extent of the d70, it just doesn't do well in natural light. |
The D70 just doesn't do well in natural light????
That's BS. |
It sure is. |
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04/30/2007 08:59:28 AM · #53 |
| Just out of curiosity, when was the last time you updated your firmware? |
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04/30/2007 09:15:03 AM · #54 |
Originally posted by Azrifel:
Originally posted by gi_joe05:
as a former d70 owner...I'm sorry. That is about the extent of the d70, it just doesn't do well in natural light. |
The D70 just doesn't do well in natural light????
That's BS. |
no not at all, (I hope this doesn't hijack this thread) the d70 as I understand it captures in gama1, since the creation of the d70 we have learned that gama3 is a better capture. you don't really see it until you are struggling to get enough light, i.e. some natural light situations. the noise is heavy enough to make things appear fuzzy at that point.
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04/30/2007 09:15:46 AM · #55 |
I may be totally wrong here, and if I am I'm sorry. that was just how it was explained to me by my professors in collage.
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04/30/2007 09:18:27 AM · #56 |
Originally posted by gi_joe05:
I may be totally wrong here, and if I am I'm sorry. that was just how it was explained to me by my professors in collage. |
I can't stop cracking up.
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04/30/2007 09:20:50 AM · #57 |
| Wow. My professors used to explain things in interpretive dance. Now that makes engineering much more fun. :) We didn't get collages until post-grad. |
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04/30/2007 09:33:45 AM · #58 |
The problem isnt with the D70 it is how the image is handled in RAW converters. The D70 captures 3 different images, all of witch are tonal Black and White, One Red, One Blue, One Green. The problem with softness happens when these 3 parts of the image are aligned into one. Photoshop Raw converter is not able to properly align these parts. I suggest using Nikon Capture editor or Nikon NX both align these layers properly. Or you could by Canon because Adobe works closely with Canon making it the most compatible camera on the market and has nothing to do with the quality of the images that canon produces.
After loading Nikon Nx on my computer and doing all of my processing in NX I have found that my Nikon is amazing. Photoshop will never again see a RAW image from my camera. Sorry Adobe your work flow is poor and you will be left behind. |
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04/30/2007 09:48:45 AM · #59 |
Originally posted by gclark:
The problem isnt with the D70 it is how the image is handled in RAW converters. The D70 captures 3 different images, all of witch are tonal Black and White, One Red, One Blue, One Green. The problem with softness happens when these 3 parts of the image are aligned into one. Photoshop Raw converter is not able to properly align these parts. I suggest using Nikon Capture editor or Nikon NX both align these layers properly. Or you could by Canon because Adobe works closely with Canon making it the most compatible camera on the market and has nothing to do with the quality of the images that canon produces.
After loading Nikon Nx on my computer and doing all of my processing in NX I have found that my Nikon is amazing. Photoshop will never again see a RAW image from my camera. Sorry Adobe your work flow is poor and you will be left behind. |
hi geoff, hows it hanging?
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04/30/2007 09:50:34 AM · #60 |
Originally posted by gclark:
The problem isnt with the D70 it is how the image is handled in RAW converters. The D70 captures 3 different images, all of witch are tonal Black and White, One Red, One Blue, One Green. The problem with softness happens when these 3 parts of the image are aligned into one. Photoshop Raw converter is not able to properly align these parts. I suggest using Nikon Capture editor or Nikon NX both align these layers properly. Or you could by Canon because Adobe works closely with Canon making it the most compatible camera on the market and has nothing to do with the quality of the images that canon produces.
After loading Nikon Nx on my computer and doing all of my processing in NX I have found that my Nikon is amazing. Photoshop will never again see a RAW image from my camera. Sorry Adobe your work flow is poor and you will be left behind. |
it's about time somone else from oip&t showed up around here
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04/30/2007 09:58:03 AM · #61 |
Originally posted by gclark:
Sorry Adobe your work flow is poor and you will be left behind. |
I just got off he phone with Adobe and they accept your apology. All is well!
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04/30/2007 10:00:42 AM · #62 |
as someone else mentioned earlier, i think your main problem here is lighting. the glare from the sky is making everything seem blurry.
the fix: with this one, my suggestion is just to go with the flow and make it a b&w else you risk making the colors look kinda wonky (a highly technical term!) and "edited".
pre-shoot fix: pay careful attention to your background and lighting conditions and invest in a good reflector (or even a good piece of white foam core). makes all the difference in the world.
just my opinion, of course.
my fix.
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04/30/2007 11:12:06 AM · #63 |
Originally posted by gclark:
The D70 captures 3 different images, all of witch are tonal Black and White, One Red, One Blue, One Green. The problem with softness happens when these 3 parts of the image are aligned into one. Photoshop Raw converter is not able to properly align these parts. I suggest using Nikon Capture editor or Nikon NX both align these layers properly. |
HUH? |
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04/30/2007 11:25:52 AM · #64 |
Put and end to your misery ! I spent the last 5 minutes waiting for your shot to appear..(it is big).
I can't see ANYTHING wrong with it that would be camera related. You were shooting into the direction of the light source and that makes for a washed out "dark" shot.
IMO your camera is fine.
Kenny |
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04/30/2007 11:46:07 AM · #65 |
Exactly ken.
I really am stunned by the amount of pseudo technical weirdness that's come out of this thread.
Average quality lens, fairly wide open, into the sun, at midday. You're going to get low contrast and flare and ugly shadows.
I'm afraid that's just what happens. |
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04/30/2007 11:46:51 AM · #66 |
Lorrie,
Your shots definitely aren't as bad as you seemed to imply in your beginning post to this thread. Some of the problems are based on how you composed your shots (like shooting into the sun in the shot where they're all in front of the tree, which blew out the sky). Your camera has a great colour meter and great exposure metering, and the only things preventing you from taking good shots are (1) a weak lens and (2) poor composition.
As a side note, I notice in the EXIF data you posted that you're using the 1a colour space. Are you able to use 3a?
(Edit: Just want to add that a weak lens and poor composition are the two factors that generally *could* make a bad shot. I'm not saying those apply here.)
Message edited by author 2007-04-30 11:48:15. |
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04/30/2007 11:52:40 AM · #67 |
Originally posted by WobblyLegs:
Originally posted by gclark:
The D70 captures 3 different images, all of witch are tonal Black and White, One Red, One Blue, One Green. The problem with softness happens when these 3 parts of the image are aligned into one. Photoshop Raw converter is not able to properly align these parts. I suggest using Nikon Capture editor or Nikon NX both align these layers properly. |
HUH? |
What he means is that a NEF consist of the Red, Green and Blue grid dump straight from the CCD and that the RGB combinations have not been made yet (Bayer interpolation). Just like any other camera's RAW except Sigma (which doesn't need Bayer interpolation but has complete R, G and B channels straight from the sensor).
All the RAW converters are able to "align" them (to do the Bayer interpolation), not all are perfect.
Adobe Camera Raw (Photoshop) in auto mode is horrible. It works in Adobe RGB (does not look right on screen), makes the wrong automatic choises for exposure compensation and highlight/shadow tweaks. If you use ACR, you should set all the auto stuff to off and tweak the file manually. In auto mode (=default) it can create a totally washed out soft look with wrong colors.
Nikon Capture doesn't do any auto compensation and is best with colors and moiré.
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04/30/2007 01:03:40 PM · #68 |
A lot of good advice. But the "sharpened" examples which are a reduction of your photo aren't very telling--you need to look at full, 100% crops.
I'd say the backlighting (contrast) explanation, along with the fact that they are in the shadows have more noise and hence less effective resolution, is a big part of the problem. Also, since the image was originally RAW and we are just seeing the JPEG, we don't know how much of the problem was introduced by the raw conversion process.
I suspect your camera is fine, but you need to shoot with better lighting and not wide open.
One fix for your current predicament: FocusMagic. It's pretty good at fixing soft images like this, especially together with some other sharpening techniques and noise reduction.
Here's a 100% crop, before and after
There's a free trial available (you get to sharpen three or so images).
I used, in this order:
1) Focus Magic
2) NeatImage
3) Local Contrast Enhancement (USM with a small amount and a radius of 50, increases local contrast)
4) Regular USM to finish sharpening
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04/30/2007 02:40:52 PM · #69 |
Originally posted by surfdabbler:
Wow. My professors used to explain things in interpretive dance. Now that makes engineering much more fun. :) We didn't get collages until post-grad. |
I had an engineering prof who would unintentionally change languages mid-lecture and since the entire class had no fluency in Romanian it was a real problem. |
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04/30/2007 02:43:28 PM · #70 |
I had a math professor who spoke like the Swedish Chef. That made abstract algebra very interesting.
edit:
Back to the original question, re: fuzziness of images out of the D70.
Neil has some good suggestions and it appears that some processing will help. Hopefully you won't have to reshoot.
Message edited by author 2007-04-30 14:48:08. |
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