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 04/20/2007 11:11:58 PM · #51
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
Just to be clear, I was not accusing these two of "cheating" (ie. being ghost accounts or something of the sort). It would make no sense because they actually left comments (that's how I found them). True cheater votes probably won't leave trails, eh?

I'm just more asking why I tend to find people early in their voting career who have these greatly outlying vote averages. I mean, 2.69? Why do you bother voting if the pictures are so bad?


I think that new photographers (who may also be new to DPC) may have a tendency to underestimate the difficulty of achieving the type of shots that do win consistently on DPC, and certainly underestimate the difficulty of producing that level of product within the timetable of the individual challenges.

I like to think of myself as a pretty decent amateur, but I find that the biggest learning curve I have experienced since joining DPC is being able to produce something creative and technically sound "on command." The photogs that are able to do that consistently are the ones that consistently ribbon ( scalvert immediately jumps to mind, but there are of course many others).

This realization led me to increase the value (and therefore the score) I would ascribe to certain photos. I now don't just think - how hard would it be to shoot this? - but also think - how hard would it be to think this up and produce this shot in the last seven days? - and I've noticed that my average vote has drifted up a bit as a consequence. (My average vote cast is 5.36 btw.)

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 04/20/2007 11:26:00 PM · #52
IMO the voting system needs a complete overhaul so it is fairer for everyone, and what that may be, I have no idea⦠If you think that it is fair â¦then I say to you âDo you think the whole world is going past your door at five miles an hour.â Margaret Thatcher claimed that Pinochet was a gentleman and Al Capone died from syphilis. Trying to actually pin down those that are working a fiddle is hard to do, as is the evident from the above.
What I am saying to you is that the system is such that it leads to the fiddle. As is evidenced by the people that have already been booted outâ and good riddance, I say.
(Godâ¦I hope that after this outburst I donât finish in the top ten! I will never live be able to live with it)
âNo chance of that I hear you say. Your ready to shake hands with the under 5 club!â
Ah, you begin to understand. This is actually the seventh iteration of DPC, all other having followed the natural progression and then reformulated by the Langdon bot upon system failure. Yet there is hope as The One of prophecy has been revealed. The Anti-Troll has come at last to deliver us from our chains...
~~I LOVE IT~~

hihosilver is The One! Repeat after me: "I want to believe." er live with it.)

04/20/2007 11:26:49 PM · #53
I don't even try to guess how easy or how hard an image was to produce. Something could be difficult to produce but poorly executed therefore still gets a lower score than something that was better executed.

However, how creative something is certainly adds to the WOW factor and does increase the vote I give the image.
 04/20/2007 11:27:30 PM · #54
Originally posted by hihosilver:
I'm sticking to my favorite Arabic saying....

"Trust in God, but keep your camel tied tight!"...;-)


Or, as my grizzled old journalism professor used to say: "The first rule of good reporting: If your mother says she loves you, check it out.


04/20/2007 11:28:52 PM · #55
Originally posted by cpanaioti:
I don't even try to guess how easy or how hard an image was to produce. Something could be difficult to produce but poorly executed therefore still gets a lower score than something that was better executed.

However, how creative something is certainly adds to the WOW factor and does increase the vote I give the image.


Just to be clear, I'm not voting solely on technicals or difficulty, but it certainly is part of the "WOW factor" (for lack of a better description) for me, so it does affect my vote.
 04/20/2007 11:51:12 PM · #56
Originally posted by levyj413:
Originally posted by hywind:
not one is from one of the better known and higher level photographers.
Does this mean they look and say this might Knock mine and give a lesser vote than they would normally and not leave a good comment about the photo.


Just because I'm really bored at the moment, I poked through your highest-scoring shots. I think you're focusing on things that support your contention rather than looking objectively.

Your highest-scoring shot has two nice comments from Qart and KarenNfld, both multi-ribbon winners.

Your second-highest has nice comments from KarenNfld and SandyP, again multi-ribbon winners.

Third-highest, KarenNfld and SandyP and hotpasta, more multi-ribbon winners.

Also, by the way, they all have average scores received over 6.0.


What you say is true, having been a member now for two years and entered over 200 challenges 3 photo' is not a true reflection of the message I am refering to in a current challenge, which is a personal best so far and has 17 very nice comments, you would think a photo that has had 190 votes for the score it is receiveing it would make the photographer feel very good about there entry should several noted photographers lerave a positive comment. I know you can't please every one, and I am not complaining just having a say like you.
 04/20/2007 11:57:53 PM · #57
hey! the first challenge i voted in, i voted pretty high! i ony gave out maybe two fours. >_<'
 04/20/2007 11:58:01 PM · #58
I'm not sure who you're calling "notable photographers", but I notice most of the highest-ribboning photographers leave very few comments at all. Mostly, I suspect, because they are busy with the business of photography. Also I notice several of them don't enter very often, likely for the same reason.

04/21/2007 12:08:53 AM · #59
When I first started here, I was giving out tens like they were going out of style. I think my judgment is still a little off, I come accross photos that are hard to vote on, I have to skip those. But I think I am being a bit more reasonable on my voting. I hope :)

edit for spelling

Message edited by author 2007-04-21 00:09:14.
 04/21/2007 01:03:15 AM · #60
Attention Wal-Mart shoppers ....... theres a DPC Artsy contest goin on down aisle 12. Git your votin hats on an you kin win a ribbon or maybe you'll be an arteeest too!

The day they start giving real prizes on this site is when we should start takin the voting seriously. In the meantime, the frustration over this issue is a "virtual" waste of time. I know my ribbons have have created numerous opportunities for me. ;-)

Message edited by author 2007-04-21 01:05:33.
 04/21/2007 01:13:33 AM · #61
Originally posted by Ivo:
Attention Wal-Mart shoppers ....... theres a DPC Artsy contest goin on down aisle 12. Git your votin hats on an you kin win a ribbon or maybe you'll be an arteeest too!


::Scurries down to aisle 12 for the blue light special::

My father asked me once what you get for winning a ribbon. I told him I wouldn't know (not ever having won one). But, at the end of this day, I'm guessing what you win is a good night sleep!

::Wanders off to dream of blue DPC ribbons, and promptly falls...Zzzzzzz::

Sweet Dreams Everyone!
 04/21/2007 05:54:28 AM · #62
Originally posted by idnic:
I'm not sure who you're calling "notable photographers", but I notice most of the highest-ribboning photographers leave very few comments at all. Mostly, I suspect, because they are busy with the business of photography. Also I notice several of them don't enter very often, likely for the same reason.


A notable photographer to me a someone like yourself that has had a number of very good high finishes, I admire your work, and congratulate you.

In over 200 entries I cannot recall a comment from you.
 04/21/2007 06:05:22 AM · #63
Originally posted by liberty:
When I first started here, I was giving out tens like they were going out of style. I think my judgment is still a little off, I come accross photos that are hard to vote on, I have to skip those. But I think I am being a bit more reasonable on my voting. I hope :)

What makes you think that your judgement is 'off'? A score of 10 only means "good", not perfection. It is clearly written on every voting screen.

Have you already come to believe that pictures submitted to challenges are not "good"?

What is happening to you is that you are allowing yourself to become indoctrinated into average DPC scoring for no other reason than that is the way everyone else votes. Why do that when in the beginning you instinctively knew that DPC voting is low?

We can all learn something from Hihosilver - the great Anti-Troll!
 04/21/2007 06:25:29 AM · #64


Message edited by author 2007-04-21 06:55:42.
 04/21/2007 06:45:50 AM · #65
Why does anyone care?

As long as they're consistent it makes no difference. Am I the only one driven crazy by these threads?

And yes, I know I should just ignore them as I have nothing useful to add to the discussion, but I'm way too masochistic for that.
 04/21/2007 06:50:51 AM · #66
Originally posted by zarniwoop:
Why does anyone care?

As long as they're consistent it makes no difference. Am I the only one driven crazy by these threads?

And yes, I know I should just ignore them as I have nothing useful to add to the discussion, but I'm way too masochistic for that.

How do you know they are consistent? They could have a friend or two and give them a 7,8,9,or 10. And still have a very low avg vote cast.
04/21/2007 06:58:46 AM · #67
Originally posted by zarniwoop:
Why does anyone care?

As long as they're consistent it makes no difference.

It is not that voters are inconsistent, it is that they are consistently low in their voting patterns that gets people up in arms. ;)

Message edited by author 2007-04-21 06:59:50.
 04/21/2007 08:23:29 AM · #68
Who gives a shit what the ave vote cast is?
As long as they vote for all images in the challenge then no entry is unfairly subjegated to a lower than average voter.
The value of the vote isn't what matters it's how it compares to the other images.
I vote a lot of 3s and 4s because I think that the images I give 8s 9s and 10s to are that much better on a scale of 1-10.
 04/21/2007 08:43:19 AM · #69
Originally posted by hywind:


A notable photographer to me a someone like yourself that has had a number of very good high finishes,


...and what exactly would you consider a high finish? Is 10th out of 100 better than say 60th out of 600?

Originally posted by hywind:

In over 200 entries I cannot recall a comment from you.


Although I certainly cannot compare my skills with Cindy's and am not part of the "notable photographers" group you allude to, chance are you haven't received a comment from me either...WHY, because I tired of the constant bickering and the emails that questioned by intellect.

No offense, but your comments sound somewhat elitist, as they fail to take into consideration the fact that the person making the comment might just very well be a very good photographer, but simply has not done well on DPC.

Ray

Message edited by author 2007-04-21 09:15:54.
 04/21/2007 08:47:51 AM · #70
Originally posted by rswank:
The value of the vote isn't what matters it's how it compares to the other images.

This statement is absolutely true.

But do you ever hear people complain much about how their image compared with the other images in a challenge? Nope! Its always the score they don't like.

For example, Ryan, if someone gives more 1s 2s and 3s than any other vote then they are accused of being the mythical troll voter.

Message edited by author 2007-04-21 08:50:19.
 04/21/2007 09:02:36 AM · #71
Originally posted by rswank:
As long as they vote for all images in the challenge then no entry is unfairly subjegated to a lower than average voter.


Just for the record...once I start voting, I ALWAYS vote the entire challenge and appropriately "subjugate" every image to my vote. (Ok...sometimes I run out of the steam with the big free studies of 600 plus images). Despite my playful attitude in the forums, I always take voting very seriously.

More than the votes, I always appreciate the comments more than anything else no matter from a ribbon winner or the boy/girl next door. I appreciate an individual who took 4 seconds to vote and THEN an extra few minutes to share their thoughts. Some of which I do find highly entertaining though....hehehe.

I do believe that this entire process is somewhat trial by fire...but when it comes to the trolls / witch hunters who target photos and or high profile photographers with their low votes...will we ever know the truth?

Probably not.

04/21/2007 09:08:29 AM · #72
I believe many people do not take the time or understand that a monitor out of the box may not be color correct. It is funny how when people view their photos I shoot on my pc or laptop they love them. Along with when I print them out for them, but when viewed from their own machine they complain it is too dark etc.
 04/21/2007 09:11:33 AM · #73
Originally posted by hihosilver:
...will we ever know the truth?

Probably not.

The Truth is Out There! Where's Scully when you need her, she's HOT!?
 04/21/2007 09:25:32 AM · #74
Originally posted by stdavidson:
The Truth is Out There! Where's Scully when you need her, she's HOT!?


I believe the whippersnappers spell that "HOTT" nowadays.
 04/21/2007 09:42:19 AM · #75


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