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04/16/2007 12:33:26 PM · #26 |
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04/16/2007 12:41:18 PM · #27 |
Originally posted by levyj413:
... I suggested it only if BOTH are smaller than 480. ...
I doubt too many people are deliberately posting photos with both dimensions smaller than 480.
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The problem with letting comments do the trick is that it leaves the poor newcomer to essentially waste an entry. |
Your suggestion is new and the best so far put forward.
I suspect that most images submitted smaller than 480 on both dimensions are done so on purpose to go for the "brown" ribbon, not accidentally by newbies. That is fairly common. Giving a message just encourages the DNMC contingent to give lower scores and might even increase the number of small submissions we see.
This is just my opinion, but letting a newbie discover that submitting an image to small and finding out about it through a low score and comments is a lesson that will not be repeated twice. In that case the same lesson is learned if a message is given and ignored, as it very well would be by a newbie.
Message edited by author 2007-04-16 12:42:45.
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04/16/2007 12:47:07 PM · #28 |
Steve, we just disagree.
I think that, as a community, when there's an easy way to prevent people from having a bad first (or otherwise early) experience, we should do so.
I couldn't care less about people deliberately going for last place, and I suspect they won't get terribly upset about a warning on upload.
But I think your assumption is incorrect. I've seen several too-small images recently, and the usual post-challenge comment is to thank people for pointing out the tutorial. Why not give it to them up front?
At any rate, both of our opinions are now out there. :)
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04/16/2007 01:00:25 PM · #29 |
People just need to read - it's really not that difficult to figure out how to submit a challenge photo.
Editing rules need to be read and understood also for submitting challenge entries.
With all due respect, I don't see why a prompt is needed. Seems a bit over the top to me, but hey, if Langdon wants to spend the time coding it - have at it. |
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04/16/2007 01:05:00 PM · #30 |
Originally posted by glad2badad:
People just need to read - it's really not that difficult to figure out how to submit a challenge photo. |
Where in your example does it say "if you submit something that's perfectly legal but a fair amount smaller than the maximum size, you're going to get slammed"?
We're not talking about how to submit, we're talking about warning probable newbies about really small photos.
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04/16/2007 01:09:21 PM · #31 |
Originally posted by levyj413:
Originally posted by glad2badad:
People just need to read - it's really not that difficult to figure out how to submit a challenge photo. |
Where in your example does it say "if you submit something that's perfectly legal but a fair amount smaller than the maximum size, you're going to get slammed"?
We're not talking about how to submit, we're talking about warning probable newbies about really small photos. |
Well, don't forget to prompt then about submitting images that are blurry. Oh...also you might want to consider a prompt warning about submitting photos with sunsets, flowers, babies, cats, dogs, etc... :D |
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04/16/2007 01:23:58 PM · #32 |
Originally posted by levyj413:
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I think that, as a community, when there's an easy way to prevent people from having a bad first (or otherwise early) experience, we should do so. ...
But I think your assumption is incorrect. I've seen several too-small images recently, and the usual post-challenge comment is to thank people for pointing out the tutorial. Why not give it to them up front? ... |
I even agree with you here, but I come from the world of software development where the decision about providing a warning message is based only on the question whether it or not it is more useful than not. If it is more useful then it should be provided, if it is not then don't waste the effort. That has nothing to do with photography or DPC in particular.
Your feeling is that it is a good idea to inform newbies who accidentally submit "small" images that they have done so and prevent a bad first experience and that is a good idea. Nobody would disagree with that.
My view is that off sized images is a lot more common by purpose, either for 'good' or 'evil', than it ever is by mistake and therefore providing a message is not beneficial from a pure cost benefit perspective. A warning message provided more often than necessary is more an annoyance than a benefit. No one would disagree with that either.
Here is the question, is the cost worth the benefit? You say yes, I say no.
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04/16/2007 03:25:23 PM · #33 |
Originally posted by joynim:
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
Can you throw in a message if the image is too crappy also? That would really help me out. :) |
HaHa :) just splattered my yoghurt on the screen! |
So then your screen just became kitchenware. ;)
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04/16/2007 03:35:17 PM · #34 |
Personally I feel that people should have an informed choice. While I agree that some people choose to have smaller than the maximum dimensions alot of people have done it due to lack of experience. Yes it is written in there is balck and white but I can tell you from my experience submitting my first photo was so hard.
I was so excited I could barely contain it! I had just discovered the website my head was so full of new information and I just wanted to get the damm photo up and recieve scores! I took many hours of hair pulling to figure out how to upload a photo even then i think it worked more by pure luck than anything else. It was'nt till later that I discovered the resizing tutorial. I was lucky my first photos ended up being the maximum dimensions.
I have seen quite a few people say in the forums how their first challenge photos were smaller than the maximun dimensions because they did'nt know any different. What is wrong with giving these people an informed choice others who choose to have the smaller dimensions can choose to ignore the warning. |
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04/16/2007 03:35:53 PM · #35 |
Originally posted by levyj413:
Originally posted by joynim:
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
Can you throw in a message if the image is too crappy also? That would really help me out. :) |
HaHa :) just splattered my yoghurt on the screen! |
So then your screen just became kitchenware. ;) |
LOl good point! |
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04/16/2007 03:39:34 PM · #36 |
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
Can you throw in a message if the image is too crappy also? That would really help me out. :) |
Could you just make this pop up every time Art ROFLMAO logs on to the site? :P |
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04/16/2007 04:09:20 PM · #37 |
Originally posted by BeeCee:
Why do we have such a small minimum? |
Partly so people can make panoramic crops, and also because some people want to make the image smaller (in pixels) but save at a higher JPEG quality. |
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04/16/2007 11:20:55 PM · #38 |
It's up -- check it out and let me know if it needs anything.
I went with the 75% rule (if the largest side isn't 75% of the maximum allowed size, display the notice). |
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04/16/2007 11:32:03 PM · #39 |
Looks good, Langdon!
Message edited by author 2007-04-16 23:32:10.
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04/17/2007 04:38:32 AM · #40 |
Originally posted by langdon:
It's up -- check it out and let me know if it needs anything.
I went with the 75% rule (if the largest side isn't 75% of the maximum allowed size, display the notice). |
that's nice, lang...now how about separating out the count of comments received during the challenge from the overall comments, the same way you do with views ;-) |
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04/17/2007 08:47:45 PM · #41 |
Originally posted by langdon:
It's up -- check it out and let me know if it needs anything.
I went with the 75% rule (if the largest side isn't 75% of the maximum allowed size, display the notice). |
Thanks for being so resposive :) Im sure many future noobs will thank you too! |
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04/17/2007 09:18:07 PM · #42 |
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