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04/26/2007 08:27:02 AM · #951 |
| I got an awesome comment on my bubbles entry from a fellow Team Sucker! Makes me so happy when that happens :-) |
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04/26/2007 09:06:18 AM · #952 |
Originally posted by mist:
Just for info, Roz mentioned in the "bans" thread that she'd prefer a horizontally orientated Yappie sucker. (For the purposes of signature space) Anyone fancy creating such a beast? |
Voila!
Message edited by author 2007-04-26 09:09:17.
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04/26/2007 09:09:50 AM · #953 |
Rule of Thirds III (Apr. 18th 2007 - Apr. 24th 2007)
Stats: You have rated 379 of 379 images (100%) in this challenge.
You have commented on 28 images (7%) in this challenge.
WHEW!
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04/26/2007 09:15:47 AM · #954 |
Thanks Greetmir for the suckers.
These are now listed on the first post of the nomination thread. |
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04/26/2007 09:16:18 AM · #955 |
Originally posted by Melethia:
Also, to my fellow Team Suckers - you all know how to check for comments received, yes? Go to your profile page, click on the number next to comments received. You can sort by all, comments marked helpful, or comments not marked helpful. The latter is a good way to check for comments you might not have seen yet. I bring this up because I tend to comment after a challenge on TS shots (as a lot of folks do) so you may have comments you didn't know about. |
Thanks for this info. You were right i had serveral comments i didnt know about.
And thanks for all your wonderful comments.
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04/26/2007 10:15:31 AM · #956 |
Originally posted by noraneko:
I'm really excited - I won a 2nd prize in the macro category at //www.betterphoto.com/contest/winners/0703.asp! I evidently get a prize - a "premium betterphotolio" (a website) for a year. It isn't a big prize or anything, but this the first time I've actually won anything with a photo that includes some kind of 'premium'. Yea!!! |
yay for Catherine!!!:) |
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04/26/2007 10:18:31 AM · #957 |
Originally posted by krnodil:
Originally posted by noraneko:
I'm so glad Svetlana won the blue with that astounding image. Not that the other winners aren't good, but in my book, hers is in a different league. I gasped when I opened it I was so floored. What an artist!!! |
well said, definitely gasp-producing. I second that. |
I don't think you are gonna have a problem getting thirds forths and many more concurrences for that statement. What an incredible image!
Congratulations again Svetlana.
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04/26/2007 10:20:54 AM · #958 |
Originally posted by silverfoxx:
Originally posted by noraneko:
I'm really excited - I won a 2nd prize in the macro category at //www.betterphoto.com/contest/winners/0703.asp! I evidently get a prize - a "premium betterphotolio" (a website) for a year. It isn't a big prize or anything, but this the first time I've actually won anything with a photo that includes some kind of 'premium'. Yea!!! |
yay for Catherine!!!:) |
OOooOOooOO I missed this post earlier, Catherine. Congratulations!
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04/26/2007 10:30:19 AM · #959 |
thank you Greetmir!
thank you everyone.
I have a question to you all.
I haven't decided yet if I should start a new thread for it.
well, I have just spent 6000 krones (= $1000) on printing, framing and sending with UPS my Study of a girl photo to that exhibition in Denver aiport.
and I spent another 3000 ($500) on the same photo printed a bit differently, because I didn't know how it would look like on different types of canvas. they said: don't worry, it will look great! - no, it doesn't. so money wasted.
$1500 to get my photo to that exhibition, $1000 price for the photo, I will probably get only 60% of it - $600. half the price I have already paid to bring that photo to life.
so here's the question, or maybe a statement:
"fine art" is not worth it
:)
you can only create something "fine" if you can afford it.
you will never get your money back.
am I right? is it the right conclusion?
the moral satisfaction I get from the knowledge that my photo is in a photo museum, it is also at the airport - it is not enough to cover $0 (zero) in my bank account.
I am kind of disappointed with all that art thing.
(and I do have a normal job too!)
could you dear wise teammates tell me something? |
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04/26/2007 10:40:39 AM · #960 |
Originally posted by silverfoxx:
thank you Greetmir!
thank you everyone.
I have a question to you all.
I haven't decided yet if I should start a new thread for it.
well, I have just spent 6000 krones (= $1000) on printing, framing and sending with UPS my Study of a girl photo to that exhibition in Denver aiport.
and I spent another 3000 ($500) on the same photo printed a bit differently, because I didn't know how it would look like on different types of canvas. they said: don't worry, it will look great! - no, it doesn't. so money wasted.
$1500 to get my photo to that exhibition, $1000 price for the photo, I will probably get only 60% of it - $600. half the price I have already paid to bring that photo to life.
so here's the question, or maybe a statement:
"fine art" is not worth it
:)
you can only create something "fine" if you can afford it.
you will never get your money back.
am I right? is it the right conclusion?
the moral satisfaction I get from the knowledge that my photo is in a photo museum, it is also at the airport - it is not enough to cover $0 (zero) in my bank account.
I am kind of disappointed with all that art thing.
(and I do have a normal job too!)
could you dear wise teammates tell me something? |
Well, loss of $$$ is never a happy event, certainly. But think of all the eyes that will see your image - maybe some will make note of the artist's name and look you up for copies or commissions for other artwork? Maybe a gallery owner, or someone who knows a gallery owner and spreads the word?
There's no guarantee of that kind of payoff, of course, but if it works out that way you have the potential of making up your financial losses in the future.
Now if you were racking up $50k in credit card debt to finance hanging your images everywhere you could, you might be biting off more than you can chew. But what you sunk into it so far seems reasonable.
And frankly, with the caliber of your efforts so far, I don't think it would be far-fetched for you to directly contact a gallery; anyone should be glad you walked through their door!
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04/26/2007 10:46:29 AM · #961 |
thank you Karen.
:)
I do understand, it can pay off, all the exhibitions and galleries. the thing is if i win some other competitions I am in now I can't even send them anything. I just can't physically, I really have 0 left:)
but ok, this is something I have to think about myself.
it was just interesting for me to find out how other artists survive such situations. |
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04/26/2007 10:59:14 AM · #962 |
Originally posted by silverfoxx:
thank you Karen.
:)
I do understand, it can pay off, all the exhibitions and galleries. the thing is if i win some other competitions I am in now I can't even send them anything. I just can't physically, I really have 0 left:)
but ok, this is something I have to think about myself.
it was just interesting for me to find out how other artists survive such situations. |
and then there's finding an "angel" who will finance your work, of course :) :) Sorry, I was approaching it from an "is it all worthwhile" angle.
I see what your saying - if someone commissions you, you have nothing in "stock", so to speak.
I wonder if there are situations, where if someone commissions work from you, they would give you an advance? Sort of like how a writer gets an advance for a book...
As for the competitions, I guess no advance is possible with that...
Any chance of cutting costs say on framing? Can you find a way to do the framing yourself? I know around me, there are relatively cheap community class for learning things like framing.
Goodness, I'm all out of ideas, but I want to help! :) Worse comes to worse, if you win another competition, maybe we can set up a fund jar in the Clubhouse; or better yet, set up a paypal account and a website, and ask for donations - I'm really not joking, it's been done and done successfully.
Hope this helps...
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04/26/2007 11:06:16 AM · #963 |
a fund jar, hehe:)
thank you, it all is not that bad.
I was just disappointed.
I still am.
you have helped Karen:) a lot.
yeah, I was thinking about framing myself. it is exactly the same as my home-made foil reflectors that fall into pieces after the first shooting, home made backgrounds from some b&w fabric that become extremely dirty after the first shooting as well:)
I've seen it all.
it doesn't work. unfertunately.
things should be done profesionally.
and I just can't put the same amount of energy into all the things.
I saw how they made my frames today. they looked really good, not just frames, but corners, all the wire, everything was well made and looked proff.
and they are the cheapest in oslo:)
I am not complaining, these are just some reflections, some summary of a period.
I know everything will be fine!
(especially since I can walk almost normally again:) |
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04/26/2007 11:13:48 AM · #964 |
Originally posted by silverfoxx:
a fund jar, hehe:)
thank you, it all is not that bad.
I was just disappointed.
I still am.
you have helped Karen:) a lot.
yeah, I was thinking about framing myself. it is exactly the same as my home-made foil reflectors that fall into pieces after the first shooting, home made backgrounds from some b&w fabric that become extremely dirty after the first shooting as well:)
I've seen it all.
it doesn't work. unfertunately.
things should be done profesionally.
and I just can't put the same amount of energy into all the things.
I saw how they made my frames today. they looked really good, not just frames, but corners, all the wire, everything was well made and looked proff.
and they are the cheapest in oslo:)
I am not complaining, these are just some reflections, some summary of a period.
I know everything will be fine!
(especially since I can walk almost normally again:) |
"It's just a phase.." - yes, that bank account will fill up again, and life will seem rosier. :)
Forgot to say congrats, by the way, on the Denver exhibition! If there is a web link or something about, do be sure to post it for all of us.
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04/26/2007 11:16:00 AM · #965 |
| Most of the professional photographers I know work as teachers, photo journalists, commercial photographers, medical photographers, police photographers, or event photographers. Some of these are also interested in fine art photography but it is a side endeavor. I've never known anyone who supported themselves solely as a fine art photographer. |
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04/26/2007 11:20:30 AM · #966 |
Originally posted by quiet_observation:
Most of the professional photographers I know work as teachers, photo journalists, commercial photographers, medical photographers, police photographers, or event photographers. Some of these are also interested in fine art photography but it is a side endeavor. I've never known anyone who supported themselves solely as a fine art photographer. |
yes, that's my conclusion too, Mary (great to see you btw!)
Karen, no:) it's not really about the money, it's about art.
it is not about the bank account.
what is fine art? in reality just some useless things that look great and bring some strong emotions.
commercial, journalistic, event and other photographs are useful.
is it really like this? I can't decide. |
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04/26/2007 11:31:54 AM · #967 |
Originally posted by silverfoxx:
Originally posted by quiet_observation:
Most of the professional photographers I know work as teachers, photo journalists, commercial photographers, medical photographers, police photographers, or event photographers. Some of these are also interested in fine art photography but it is a side endeavor. I've never known anyone who supported themselves solely as a fine art photographer. |
yes, that's my conclusion too, Mary (great to see you btw!)
Karen, no:) it's not really about the money, it's about art.
it is not about the bank account.
what is fine art? in reality just some useless things that look great and bring some strong emotions.
commercial, journalistic, event and other photographs are useful.
is it really like this? I can't decide. |
Is art a necessity? Now that is definitely a question that's been knocked about for a long time.
From a strict necessity standpoint, owning/admiring fine art is a luxury; probably it's not fair to say we need it, on the level that we might need air or water, shelter and food. But life should never operate according to only the strictly necessary, if it can be helped.
But while fine art (and we're not going to touch the definition of fine art right now, see other forum threads if you want to open that can of worms :) ) may not be on the same level of necessity as air, water, etc., it strikes me as wrong to see it as useless. Beauty (however you define it) has its place.
This could quickly turn into a philosophical treatise if I'm not careful, so I'll shut up now. LOL
But yes, Svetlana, I understand the ambiguity you're feeling right now, about whether you are engaged in an endeavor that is truly "useful", but please don't ever let your creative vision (and you've got it, girl) take orders from your doubts (which are quite natural and understandable). |
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04/26/2007 11:40:03 AM · #968 |
:) no, I don't want to let those worms out.
I know it's been discussed hundreds of years.
I know the positions of all sides.
:) it is just feels weird to be there too. suddenly.
sitting here with 0 and hundreds of ideas, deciding where next.
quite funny.
I absolutely agree with you about how much we need more than things to survive.
ok, now I am in a good mood again.
thank you!!:) |
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04/26/2007 12:21:35 PM · #969 |
| I think you could do fashion photography for $$$. You would be excellent at it AND you would enjoy it. |
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04/26/2007 12:25:57 PM · #970 |
thank you Don. I will try, I'd like to.
I will try to answer the interview today-tomorrow, I just have to work these days a lot, sorry.
:) |
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04/26/2007 12:38:39 PM · #971 |
Christian, you probably wouldn't be so sick if you didn't spend that awful winter day out there in the snow moving that bush....
Catherine - HUGE congrats - that's an awesome achievement!
Svetlana, you need a wealthy benefactor - someone to fund your exhibit work. In the US they have grants - surely they have something the same for artists in Norway? It'll probably involve lots of paperwork but it very well could be worth your time to apply. |
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04/26/2007 12:40:28 PM · #972 |
Congrats Catherine on winning 2nd place in the contest!
Silverfoxx, the key is finding a venue/job where you can still express yourself artistically otherwise you're going to be a Pauper. Even the great artists of old were commissioned for their works. I think the key is first getting recognized (which you certainly have), getting paid little, then soon enough you'll have paid projects galore. However, you are looking for a strictly $$$ profession you could easily open your own studio or do fashion photography.
Lastly, here is a crop of my Landscape entry, you guys like it better? My original wasn't cropped.
There were some great images in Landscape and Hair, still making my way around to commenting on them. |
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04/26/2007 12:40:46 PM · #973 |
thank you dear Deb and Jayson!! why didn't I think about it? :) they might have some grants here and a studio sounds nice, too.
Message edited by author 2007-04-26 12:42:16. |
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04/26/2007 12:55:53 PM · #974 |
Catherine: congrats! Howzabout sending me some o' that inspiration? :)
Svetlana: You might try looking for government grants. I know the US government gives such, but I know nothing of the details.
Christian: sorry to hear you're sick. Maybe it'll perk you up to know I raised $3200 for MS research on my walk. :) Also, your landscape is now in my faves list - seems that the vast majority of my most recent faves have been from suckers - what's that tell you? :)
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04/26/2007 01:56:11 PM · #975 |
I don't know if anyone has been following my ramblings - but if anyone has been, I have an update.
We were *not* laughed out of the bank.
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