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 04/10/2007 05:38:37 PM · #1
hi im looking to get quality shots with my lenses in the future with my nikon d80 (soon to come)...should i go with the 18-200mm VR or go with a 18-70mm AND a 70-200(or whatever-100) im just concerned about the 18-200 cause it hasnt won and ribbons and the others have...
 04/10/2007 05:47:37 PM · #2
The 18-200 VR II lens has won 3 ribbons and has 325 owners. The 18-70mm has lots more ribbons but is owned by 1270 users and it is the kit lens for the D70. Simple answer is that it is just used a lot more, over a much longer time. I personally have never used the 18-200mm VR lens but I have friends with both the 18-70mm and the 18-135mm and they seem to like them very much.

My suggestion would be to get the D80 with the kit 18-135mm lens and then spend the extra $500 on something else like a bigger zoom or a macro lens. Or maybe just get the kit and then figure out what you want later on when after you have used it for a bit.

edit: I guess I am confused. Do you already own the D80 or are you going to buy it soon? Your profile states you have a D80 with the VR lens.

Message edited by author 2007-04-10 17:49:37.
 04/10/2007 05:47:47 PM · #3
Lenses don't win ribbons, photographers do!

I have the 18-200mm VR. It's a very, very nice walk around lens. Think about it, if you have the 18-70mm and the 70-200mm you have to take two lenses with you to cover the same range of focal lengths, when you could have only one. The 18-70mm is no faster than the 18-200 and doesn't have the advantage of having VR (which means you can hand hold at slightly slower shutter speeds).

If you can

a) afford it
b) get hold of one

then go for the 18-200.

Originally posted by Jib:
hi im looking to get quality shots with my lenses in the future with my nikon d80 (soon to come)...should i go with the 18-200mm VR or go with a 18-70mm AND a 70-200(or whatever-100) im just concerned about the 18-200 cause it hasnt won and ribbons and the others have...
04/10/2007 05:50:42 PM · #4
is it really that hard to get one...? also i kno its the photographer...as you can see by my pics i just need a better cmera/lens...my artistic eye is already there

henryshas it and more for decent prices

Message edited by author 2007-04-10 17:51:56.
 04/10/2007 05:53:10 PM · #5
Do yourself a favor: Sell your Nikon, buy a Canon, Buy only "L" Glass.

You'll be all set.
 04/10/2007 05:58:16 PM · #6
actually...i dont own a nikon yet...if you understood my first post corrctly (sorry bout the bad grammar)

but im going to stick with nikon... why? i just like the way nikon sets up their cameras...and they just felt better in my hand
 04/10/2007 06:01:50 PM · #7
Originally posted by Jib:
actually...i dont own a nikon yet...if you understood my first post corrctly (sorry bout the bad grammar)

but im going to stick with nikon... why? i just like the way nikon sets up their cameras...and they just felt better in my hand


Take a look at the Pentax range. All old lenses fit, some with adapter and they are so sharp. Great cameras, some of the best lenses in the world and the prices are really good. Do yourself a favour and check them out. I did, I changed from Canon to Pentax and have no regrets. Will watch for their new cameras as and when they are released.
 04/10/2007 06:06:48 PM · #8
I agree with you about the way Nikon's feel, I was convinced I was going to buy a canon and ended up with a Nikon due to the way it felt.

Henry's website says "Hot Product, Pre-order it today"

Nikon 18-200 mm. The 18-200 is usually on back order. Can be anything from 12 - 26 weeks.

I'm inclined to agree with TJinGuy - get the 18-135 kit lens and then spend the money on some other lens. The 18-200 is quite pricey.

Originally posted by Jib:
is it really that hard to get one...? also i kno its the photographer...as you can see by my pics i just need a better cmera/lens...my artistic eye is already there

henryshas it and more for decent prices
04/10/2007 06:16:27 PM · #9
well for an unnamd reason i will have no financial problems when purchaseing it so any single lens is an option
 04/10/2007 06:25:05 PM · #10
I have two eyes too but I am not sure if they are artistic. ^_^
I can feel too much air going on.
04/10/2007 06:25:44 PM · #11
Originally posted by Jib:
well for an unnamd reason i will have no financial problems when purchaseing it so any single lens is an option


Did the Nair lawsuit finally settle?
 04/10/2007 06:55:10 PM · #12
Originally posted by Jib:
well for an unnamd reason i will have no financial problems when purchaseing it so any single lens is an option


Hell if money ain't an issue, screw Nikon and get a Canon 5D, Canon 1D MKIII, 16-35 2.8L, 24-70mm 2.8L (walk around lens), 70-200 2.8L IS and 600mm f4L IS. That should cover all your bases and you can't get much sharper than that.
 04/10/2007 07:02:40 PM · #13
Originally posted by TJinGuy:
Hell if money ain't an issue, screw Nikon and get a Canon 5D, Canon 1D MKIII, 16-35 2.8L, 24-70mm 2.8L (walk around lens), 70-200 2.8L IS and 600mm f4L IS. That should cover all your bases and you can't get much sharper than that.


If I had that kit I would have more ribbons than DrAchoo, Scalvert, and Larus combined. That is a fact.

04/10/2007 07:14:27 PM · #14
Originally posted by option:
Originally posted by TJinGuy:
Hell if money ain't an issue, screw Nikon and get a Canon 5D, Canon 1D MKIII, 16-35 2.8L, 24-70mm 2.8L (walk around lens), 70-200 2.8L IS and 600mm f4L IS. That should cover all your bases and you can't get much sharper than that.


If I had that kit I would have more ribbons than DrAchoo, Scalvert, and Larus combined. That is a fact.


wrong. No one can have more ribbons than Scalvert, it's a mathematical impossibility.
 04/10/2007 08:23:07 PM · #15
Originally posted by TJinGuy:
Originally posted by Jib:
well for an unnamd reason i will have no financial problems when purchaseing it so any single lens is an option


Hell if money ain't an issue, screw Nikon and get a Canon 5D, Canon 1D MKIII, 16-35 2.8L, 24-70mm 2.8L (walk around lens), 70-200 2.8L IS and 600mm f4L IS. That should cover all your bases and you can't get much sharper than that.


Nah, if money is truly not an issue, a 33MP Leaf back, and corresponding MF camera system would do the trick nicely.
 04/10/2007 08:58:07 PM · #16
Originally posted by DrAchoo:

Did the Nair lawsuit finally settle?

haha close....lets just say mom + falling box+=torn ligament and tendons in left arm

torn ligament and tendons in left arm=lawsuit (soon to settle in about a month)

as far as money...my mother is giving me enough to get a tricked out computersetup and a tricked up camera....not quite enough to drop 20,000 on a setup...at most under 10,000 all together...that being a maxed macbook pro...30"display and so fourth...and lots of software (the main cost)....

Message edited by author 2007-04-10 21:05:33.
 04/10/2007 09:27:42 PM · #17
Don't worry too much about counting ribbons. Lens sharpness and other optical considerations are only really an issue when you look at an image at 1000 pixels plus (unless you have a really bad one). For the quality of images needed for DPC, there are many P&S cameras that can produce a good enough image at 640 pixels to win an image.

Lenses getting better scores is less about the capability of the lens, and more about who is using that lens, and how many people are using it. Cheap kit lenses win ribbons by sheer number of low-budget photographers. Professional lenses win ribbons by being used by a small number of very good professional photographers. P&S cameras don't win, because most good photographers don't use them.

The 18-200 lenses are great for convenience, and there are a lot of fantastic high-scoring images taken on these lenses, even though a pro studio photographer would never use one. Personally, I'm not going for an 18-200, because the 3rd party offerings from Sigma and Tamron available for Canons are not that great. However, the Nikon has some very good reviews, and the convenience of 18-200 would be great.
04/11/2007 09:11:11 AM · #18
Good cameras and good lenses tend to win ribbons because good photographers tend to buy good gear. For DPC the resolution is too low for the for the difference in sharpness between a kit lens and a professional one to really make a difference. At 640 pixels across I can get razor sharp pictures with my 5MP Sony P&S.
 04/14/2007 11:39:56 PM · #19
Originally posted by salmiakki:
I agree with you about the way Nikon's feel, I was convinced I was going to buy a canon and ended up with a Nikon due to the way it felt.

Henry's website says "Hot Product, Pre-order it today"

Nikon 18-200 mm. The 18-200 is usually on back order. Can be anything from 12 - 26 weeks.

I'm inclined to agree with TJinGuy - get the 18-135 kit lens and then spend the money on some other lens. The 18-200 is quite pricey.

Originally posted by Jib:
is it really that hard to get one...? also i kno its the photographer...as you can see by my pics i just need a better cmera/lens...my artistic eye is already there

henryshas it and more for decent prices


B&H Photo has it for $40 cheaper
 04/14/2007 11:40:45 PM · #20
B&H Photo has it for $40 cheaper
 04/14/2007 11:47:57 PM · #21
if money isnt an issue then 100% Get the 17-55mm/2.8 and the 70-200mm/2.8VR. sure your missing 55-70 mm but not a big worry. you would be more than happy with those 2 lenses!
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