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Canon EF 100mm f/2.8L Macro IS USM

04/08/2007 09:00:39 PM · #77

unless there was a restriction in place to prevent that from happening...

04/08/2007 09:03:04 PM · #78

Originally posted by krnodil:

unless there was a restriction in place to prevent that from happening...

This idea has been discussed in length before. There's no way a restriction can be put in place to stop this. You can't really weed out what would be a "placeholder" from an honest submission. There's no way.

ralph

Nikon Z9

04/08/2007 09:03:47 PM · #79

hmmm
i think a free study should be more like the weeklies - give it a topic or a concept that is very broad -

or remove them completely :0

krnodil

Canon EF 100mm f/2.8L Macro IS USM

04/08/2007 09:05:51 PM · #80

you wouldn't have to weed out placeholders if you didn't allow them to begin with...no change of submission unless you make a formal case for it.

04/08/2007 09:06:20 PM · #81

Originally posted by ralph:

hmmm
i think a free study should be more like the weeklies - give it a topic or a concept that is very broad -

or remove them completely :0

A weekly challenge with a theme... thats not a fre study but what it is is a photography challenge... which we already have.

Landscape... thats a topic its occasionally a weekly challenge.. its almost what your describing unless u want one each week. lol

Canon EF-S 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 IS

04/08/2007 09:13:36 PM · #82

Originally posted by krnodil:

you wouldn't have to weed out placeholders if you didn't allow them to begin with...no change of submission unless you make a formal case for it.

An interesting concept, but sounds like a lot of extra work the SC probably doesn't need. Also, remember that a free study is your best shot over the course of a certain time period. Classically, a month. Your suggestion would mean that we would need to add time to the end of the "getting your photo" period in order to take in submissions. People would then have to scramble to decide on their shot, work on it in post (if needed), and then upload it while crossing their fingers. In this scenario, you'd *STILL* have 300+ people lined up at turnover, with shots taken in the middle of the month, waiting to upload as fast as they can.

You couldn't allow submissions throughout the month, because people that might get their best shot on the 30th.. say, would have no chance whatsoever.

The *theory* is nice.. like a lot of things being discussed here.. including my own original idea.. but in practice, it falls apart a bit :)

Konador

Canon EOS-500D Rebel T1i

04/08/2007 09:15:27 PM · #83

How would people feel about only being able to enter the free study if you voted on 20%+ of the previous month's free study?

04/08/2007 09:16:38 PM · #84

Originally posted by Konador:

How would people feel about only being able to enter the free study if you voted on 20%+ of the previous month's free study?

Well that would suck. But i mean i typically do vote that much.

Question is how do you enter your first free study? Has to be an open first entry without it alot of people cant enter until theyve voted for a month.

krnodil

Canon EF 100mm f/2.8L Macro IS USM

04/08/2007 09:18:48 PM · #85

I'm with you one that, I definitely wasn't offering an airtight possibility :)

I agree there would be a problem with backlog, the "lined up" phenomena you mention, although my original thought was not to have the free studies occur only with a certain time frame. Rather the time frame would be determined by whenever the cap is reached.

But as you noted, that too would be a problem. Theoretically, with the first free study in this hypothetical plan, it might take several weeks for the cap to be reached - but each free study after would fill up immediately, as a result of the backlog from the previous one.

It's working out the details like this, throwing out ideas and refining them, that will get us all to where we want to be, a "fix" for the free study problem.

so goes my contribution to the dialogue....

Konador

Canon EOS-500D Rebel T1i

Canon EF-S 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 IS

04/08/2007 09:18:50 PM · #86

Originally posted by RainMotorsports:

alot of people cant enter until theyve voted for a month.

Exactly... it would reduce the number of entries. Also it would make the free study a kind of "reward" in a way.

karmat

Apple iPhone 7

Canon EF 70-200mm f/4.0L USM

04/08/2007 09:19:24 PM · #87

Originally posted by RainMotorsports:

Originally posted by Konador:
How would people feel about only being able to enter the free study if you voted on 20%+ of the previous month's free study?

Well that would suck. But i mean i typically do vote that much.

Question is how do you enter your first free study? Has to be an open first entry without it alot of people cant enter until theyve voted for a month.

jdannels

Nikon D300s

Sigma 30mm f/1.4 EX DC HSM for Nikon

04/08/2007 09:23:55 PM · #88

Originally posted by karmat:

um, i don't understand.

Let's say person xyz joined on May 1st. They vote for the FS that is in voting in May. They vote on 20% and become eligible to enter the June Free Study. The only one they can't enter is May. [/quote]\
true but what if somebody finds DPC mid-month and joins, my guess is they might not even know they couldn't enter for june. and some people I think wait to join a FS if they think they finally have a good shot then sign up. But I think if you had a stipulation that says if you joined after the voting of the last FS, you can enter. This would only affect maybe ten entries overall I think.

04/08/2007 09:27:11 PM · #89

And honestly why do i have to vote to compete? I mean I can't vote for president if im one of the candidates now can i?

Now that makes an interesting unrelated question... do you have to be a registered voter to run for office?

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I Already vote 50% of the entrys when i have time. That wont affect the images that are entered? It wont change what my entry looks like.

Message edited by author 2007-04-08 21:28:13.

Nikon AF-S Nikkor 70-200mm f/2.8G ED VR II

04/08/2007 09:27:41 PM · #90

Originally posted by Konador:

How would people feel about only being able to enter the free study if you voted on 20%+ of the previous month's free study?

Actually.. I'd have no problem with that. In fact, increase it to 30%

*edit* Oops.. MattO brought up a valid point that I agree with that totally missed my "hrrm, that's probably not a good idea" radar.

So.. yah.. I don't think it's a good idea anymore. heh.

Message edited by author 2007-04-08 21:32:51.

MattO

Nikon D4

04/08/2007 09:28:12 PM · #91

Originally posted by Konador:

How would people feel about only being able to enter the free study if you voted on 20%+ of the previous month's free study?

I think you would have alot of off the wall I dont really care voters who are just tossing numbers out there so they can enter a free study. Remember the number of people who tried to catch up with commenting when the challenge was announced that you had to have more comments made then recieved? The same would happen if you were forced to vote to enter. You may get a vote but is it going to be a true vote or a forced vote?

MattO

04/08/2007 09:28:59 PM · #92

All it changes is the voting. It does not change digital art, or the subject or that fact that im entering.

04/08/2007 09:29:57 PM · #93

Originally posted by MattO:

Originally posted by Konador:
How would people feel about only being able to enter the free study if you voted on 20%+ of the previous month's free study?

I think you would have alot of off the wall I dont really care voters who are just tossing numbers out there so they can enter a free study. Remember the number of people who tried to catch up with commenting when the challenge was announced that you had to have more comments made then recieved? The same would happen if you were forced to vote to enter. You may get a vote but is it going to be a true vote or a forced vote?

MattO

Dang.. I forgot about that part. haha. Valid point. I retract my statement!!!

yanko

Carl Zeiss 50mm ZE f/1.4 Planar T for Canon

04/08/2007 09:38:00 PM · #94

Well I see this idea doing two things.

First, it'll give the "players" on this site more choices to maximize their wow factors more efficiently. Not enough wow factor to compete in advance or expert just enter it in basic. Granted not every photo would have that option but for things like landscapes which are not typically edited beyond basic could easily be shifted over to basic or minimal editing to compete against what probably will be a weaker field.

Second, it'll make voting slightly more difficult. Now instead of diving in and voting you'll have to remember which editing rule set applies to each FS group. I know I'm not the only one who votes based on level of difficutly when trick shots or special effects are concerned. Something accomplished in advance doesn't get the same score as something entered in basic when all other things are equal.

In addition, when voting I would probably vote on 20% in each of the FS challenges or 100% in just one. In other words, I don't see exposure increasing in fact I see it decreasing in general. It'll be a lot easier to end up voting less than before. If say one FS challenge had 160 entries and I get through all of those what incentive do I have to start another group that will require an additional 20% to reach and so on and so forth?

Message edited by author 2007-04-08 21:41:55.

yanko

Carl Zeiss 50mm ZE f/1.4 Planar T for Canon

04/08/2007 09:39:22 PM · #95

Originally posted by Konador:

Originally posted by RainMotorsports:
alot of people cant enter until theyve voted for a month.

Exactly... it would reduce the number of entries. Also it would make the free study a kind of "reward" in a way.

How about making it a comment requirement instead of or in addition to a vote requirement?

Message edited by author 2007-04-08 21:39:59.

04/08/2007 09:40:55 PM · #96

Originally posted by yanko:

Originally posted by Konador:

Originally posted by RainMotorsports:
alot of people cant enter until theyve voted for a month.

Exactly... it would reduce the number of entries. Also it would make the free study a kind of "reward" in a way.

How about instead make it a comment requirement onstead of or in addition to a vote requirement?

For the same reason MattO brought up.. the last time this was tried (which I'd entirely forgotten about), it was a mess. There were an awful lot of "nice shot" comments bandied about in a record amount of time. Not something SC really should have to be worrying about to fix up either.

04/08/2007 09:41:36 PM · #97

Originally posted by yanko:

Originally posted by Konador:

Originally posted by RainMotorsports:
alot of people cant enter until theyve voted for a month.

Exactly... it would reduce the number of entries. Also it would make the free study a kind of "reward" in a way.

How about making it a comment requirement instead of or in addition to a vote requirement?

The reward would be over after 30 days its no longer a reward. I already voted on more then 45% of last months i think i wanna say 50 not sure.

I dont see where it makes a real difference in the number of entries or the content of th entries.

The more I have to comment the less entries i will have time to vote on. Which means i will be voting less on other challenges. That hurts the non members.

Message edited by author 2007-04-08 21:42:42.

yanko

Carl Zeiss 50mm ZE f/1.4 Planar T for Canon

04/08/2007 09:42:46 PM · #98

Originally posted by Artyste:

Originally posted by yanko:

Originally posted by Konador:

Originally posted by RainMotorsports:
alot of people cant enter until theyve voted for a month.

Exactly... it would reduce the number of entries. Also it would make the free study a kind of "reward" in a way.

How about instead make it a comment requirement onstead of or in addition to a vote requirement?

For the same reason MattO brought up.. the last time this was tried (which I'd entirely forgotten about), it was a mess. There were an awful lot of "nice shot" comments bandied about in a record amount of time. Not something SC really should have to be worrying about to fix up either.

Why would think a vote requirement would be any different?