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Canon EF 100mm f/2.8 USM Macro

03/29/2007 04:02:09 PM · #1

In a current challenge used only 2 pp elements in photoshop. Shadow/Highlights x3, Levels.x2 this increased the effect, as well as bringing out the foreground.

Comments: oversharpened.x 2 No sharpening used.
overprocessed.x 2
One part of the photo tells me other parts were darkened.

Are viewers commenting (negative) as a reason to justify there score, or have they not tried different PP.

Message edited by author 2007-03-29 16:08:19.

TechnoShroom

Canon EOS-30D

03/29/2007 04:05:26 PM · #2

Over-sharpened or over-processed should be considered a constructive rather than a negative comment.

Rebecca

Nikon D80

Nikon AF Zoom-Nikkor 18-135mm f/3.5- 5.6G ED DX

03/29/2007 04:06:45 PM · #3

How much in-camera sharpening is happening?

03/29/2007 04:09:50 PM · #4

Originally posted by TechnoShroom:

Over-sharpened or over-processed should be considered a constructive rather than a negative comment.

Remove the word negative and read again.

03/29/2007 04:10:20 PM · #5

I am not sure what Shadows/highlightsx3 means, did you use it three times?
Using shadows/highlights once can cause haloing effects in strong contrast areas and can often be confused with halos from oversharpening. I think I could botch an image with a single curve if I wanted too, LoL. IMO it doesn't take lots of pp elements to overprocess a photo, and in general when I get more than one or two comments about a specific part of an image, I think I overdid something, and am just lucky those who commented told me, because I am sure others thought the same and didn't bother to comment. Just my two cents.

03/29/2007 04:13:00 PM · #6

Originally posted by jdannels:

I accept your reasoning, but when no sharpening is applied, and 2 comments say oversharpened.

03/29/2007 04:13:20 PM · #7

Originally posted by hywind:

Originally posted by TechnoShroom:
Over-sharpened or over-processed should be considered a constructive rather than a negative comment.

Remove the word negative and read again.

???? Are you trying to correct grammar? I am confused

03/29/2007 04:14:33 PM · #8

Originally posted by hywind:

I accept your reasoning, but when no sharpening is applied, and 2 comments say oversharpened.

To me that would say that I overused shadows/highlights.

Nikon AF-S NIKKOR 24-70mm f/2.8G ED

03/29/2007 04:15:36 PM · #9

Originally posted by Rebecca:

How much in-camera sharpening is happening?

Contrast-High
Sharpness-High
Saturation-Mid high

Citadel

Nikon D7500

03/29/2007 04:17:11 PM · #10

Originally posted by jdannels:

Originally posted by hywind:

Originally posted by TechnoShroom:
Over-sharpened or over-processed should be considered a constructive rather than a negative comment.

Remove the word negative and read again.

???? Are you trying to correct grammar? I am confused

Are viewers commenting as a reason to justify there score, or have they not tried different PP.

as opposed to:

Are viewers commenting (negative) as a reason to justify there score, or have they not tried different PP.

Anyways...

03/29/2007 04:18:15 PM · #11

Originally posted by jdannels:

Originally posted by hywind:

I accept your reasoning, but when no sharpening is applied, and 2 comments say oversharpened.

To me that would say that I overused shadows/highlights.

Oh well another lesson learn't.

Must be a fine line between WOW, and overprocessed.

Canon EF-S 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6

03/29/2007 04:19:22 PM · #12

Originally posted by Citadel:

:) gracias

KaDi

Canon EOS-300D Rebel

03/29/2007 04:22:44 PM · #13

Originally posted by hywind:

Originally posted by Rebecca:
How much in-camera sharpening is happening?

Contrast-High
Sharpness-High
Saturation-Mid high

I wonder why you let the camera do so much processing for you?

Nikon AF Zoom-Nikkor 18-135mm f/3.5- 5.6G ED DX

03/29/2007 04:33:20 PM · #14

Originally posted by KaDi:

Originally posted by hywind:

Originally posted by Rebecca:
How much in-camera sharpening is happening?

Contrast-High
Sharpness-High
Saturation-Mid high

I wonder why you let the camera do so much processing for you?

I tried the low side of camera processing and did it all in PhotShop, but came to a halt as far as scoring, so am trying the same with higher camera settings, the same appears to be happening.
It would appear I need a good lesson in artistic ability.

Message edited by author 2007-03-29 16:35:19.

Rebecca

Nikon D80

03/29/2007 04:34:35 PM · #15

Originally posted by hywind:

Originally posted by Rebecca:
How much in-camera sharpening is happening?

Contrast-High
Sharpness-High
Saturation-Mid high

Instead of letting the camera make those decisions for you, turn everything down to the equivalent of "medium" so you can control these elements yourself in post-processing.

Nikon AF-S NIKKOR 24-70mm f/2.8G ED

03/29/2007 04:38:01 PM · #16

Originally posted by Rebecca:

Originally posted by hywind:

Originally posted by Rebecca:
How much in-camera sharpening is happening?

Contrast-High
Sharpness-High
Saturation-Mid high

Instead of letting the camera make those decisions for you, turn everything down to the equivalent of "medium" so you can control these elements yourself in post-processing.

I will try this again, just answered the same question to KaDi.

Citadel

Nikon D7500

03/29/2007 04:40:03 PM · #17

I'd like to see the picture but of course if its being voted on you can't quite point it out. I'd like to see it after the challenge then we can comment on this for you Hy.

ETA* Just a quick look at your profile it seems like the over processed comments come up when you get bit heavy handed with the contrast etc. In any event? I would like to see the shot and I can comment more intelligently then.

Message edited by author 2007-03-29 16:42:56.

Artifacts

Canon EF 70-200mm f/4.0L USM

03/29/2007 06:20:35 PM · #18

Originally posted by hywind:

Originally posted by Rebecca:
How much in-camera sharpening is happening?

Contrast-High
Sharpness-High ...

This combined with shadow/highlight is the likely source for the confusing sharpening comments. They generate a combination of sharpness effects that can make an image's sharpness look "muddied" and not very good at all. Under those conditions you can get contradictory comments like that.

karmat

Apple iPhone 7

03/29/2007 06:27:51 PM · #19

do the viewers really know?

of course not, but they do know what they are seeing on their end and it sounds like their comments are trying to convey that to you.

what you do, or don't do, with those comments are up to you.

fotomann_forever

03/29/2007 06:46:04 PM · #20

Originally posted by karmat:

Exactly. One comment I might dismiss, but if more than one are telling me the same thing, I'd be pretty determined to figure out why.

kirbic

Canon EOS R5

Canon RF 24-70mm f/2.8 L IS

03/29/2007 06:47:20 PM · #21

A couple observations...
- You do list sharpening in your details
- One other process that you used has resulted in an effect that at least one commenter perceived as an indication that you darkened a feature.
The commenters are responding to their perception of your processing. They may not be entirely accurate as to how you processed, but they are very perceptive and will often pick out things in 5 seconds that we miss after looking at the image for hours. We're too close to the problem. Listen to the commenters, try to figure out *why* they are making a comment on processing, even if the reason is different from what they are assuming. Then figure out how to avoid it in the future, if it was not intentional.

riot

Canon EOS-1D Mark IV

Helios 40-1 85mm f/1.5

03/29/2007 09:06:45 PM · #22

I'm curious why exactly you're asking this question. If you're simply picking a fight with the individuals who say you've oversharpened (when you say you haven't sharpened at all), why do so when you can't show us the image? Surely if you think your photo doesn't match such a description, you'd be better showing us the difference after the contest?

If on the other hand you are trying to find out WHY they think this, when you do not, aside from it being impossible for us to answer because the photos are not visible, you are also asking the wrong person. Why not PM them (assuming they are not bag-heads), and ask exactly why they feel your shot is oversharpened? If you are polite you are sure to receive a helpful reply. If this isn't your motive for posting here, then you are surely looking for sympathy that you have little chance of finding here.