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03/27/2007 09:55:53 PM · #26 |
Originally posted by zeuszen:
Man, that's some ugly stuff! Feature before function? |
They may not be in the latest mac iWhite with iSmooth iRoundedEdges, but at least i don't have to hold down several keyboard keys just to zoom out in photoshop :P
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03/27/2007 10:02:50 PM · #27 |
Originally posted by riot:
Originally posted by zeuszen:
Man, that's some ugly stuff! Feature before function? |
They may not be in the latest mac iWhite with iSmooth iRoundedEdges, but at least i don't have to hold down several keyboard keys just to zoom out in photoshop :P |
I know what you mean. These shortcuts are tiring, tiring.
There's a house somewhere with plastic flamingos in front of it - no maintenance whatsoever!
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03/27/2007 10:12:05 PM · #28 |
The difference between Win-tel and i-tel is a matter of touch and feel. Try both, get the one that you are most comfortable with.
/edit: but do familiarize yourself with the newest line of i-products. [link] :)
David
Message edited by author 2007-03-27 22:19:11.
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03/27/2007 10:13:44 PM · #29 |
Mac G5, 3 yrs, no virus, no repairs, about 30K images + video, on line average 3 to 4 hrs per day. Maintainence, flip the side open and blow out the dust bunnies once in a while, run tune up for a couple of minutes.
Only one mouse button though, rats.
Various Illnesses Surfaced Today Already
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Mean And Clean
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03/27/2007 10:17:13 PM · #30 |
Originally posted by talmy:
All Macs now ship with a mouse with two buttons and a scroll ball/third button and a side pressing button... |
Not the laptops. |
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03/27/2007 10:22:12 PM · #31 |
If you're asking the question, you've probably made up your mind that you want a Mac anyway :-)
Either way, they both do basically the same thing. They compute and in a few years they become really expensive paper weights.
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03/27/2007 10:27:07 PM · #32 |
<----- Fanboy -----
Personally, I have never got a virus and I've been doing this for a little while (Before Al Gore invented the internet (choke choke) we all dialed into WWWIV, Wildcat and other bbses and left and picked up messages...anyone remember CP/M 2.2?)
To the OP, go with what makes sense to you. Don't let us talk you into something that you have to live with for a while. We all paid our hard earned cash for what we are running; of course we are going to tell you how wonderful what we have is. It is your money, test drive and decide.
Just my take on it...
As to the one button mouse thing ew... I could never live w/o my 7 button + Wheel Logitech MX510. Short cuts to are better served for those that use and applications like WordPerfect and the likes. I loved the shortcuts in XTree Gold back in the DOS days but I would never want to do that again.
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03/27/2007 11:05:08 PM · #33 |
Originally posted by skylercall:
Originally posted by talmy:
All Macs now ship with a mouse with two buttons and a scroll ball/third button and a side pressing button... |
Not the laptops. |
PC laptops don't ship with mice either, but the MacBook trackpad is pretty cool... use two fingers and it will scroll (in any direction). |
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03/27/2007 11:16:06 PM · #34 |
I built my PC last year for the main purpose of digital photography and video capture/editing with a minor focus for music editing (hooked up to my piano). I gave my configuration and reasoning. Keep in mind that this is from a year ago. Give me a call tomorrow and we can chat about this. I'm in the lab in the morning, but at an AQT party in 118A in the PM. We can chat then.
First, I compared Intel and AMD chips and AMD won by a landslide! I suggest a dual core processor, but just note that speed in AMD terms isn't comparable to Intel. AMD is a much faster chip design. I chose the AMD Opteron (don't go with the cheaper stuff, Opterons are binned differently for business use and are supposed to be more stable).
Second, I chose the ASUS brand motherboard as reccomended not only by AMD, but by others as well. The A8N-SLI-Premium was my choice.
Third, The case was the hardest selection because I wanted something versitle. I chose the X-Alien ATXA1A case and dumped the power supply it gave.
Fourth, I chose the FSP FX600 (600W) power supply. Lots of juice!
Fifth, 2Gig of RAM. Corsair PC3200
Sixth, two Hitachi Deskstar T7K250, 250Gig SATA 3.0G/s OEM drives for which I connected to the onboard RAID as a mirror (A MUST).
Seventh, Since I'm not gaming I chose the ASUS EAX300SE Radon video card. Plenty for this use.
Eigth, but you won't need this: I added an expensive sound card ($200) for the music portion of my needs. But, you can use the on-board sound card just fine so you don't need to get this.
I also added some miscellaneous things like a DVD burner and a Tv/Radio card, etc. Things that aren't necessary.
I DO suggest getting a CRT monitor. Personally, I hate the LCDs and I don't think they represent colors and shading properly, at least not the inexpensive ones.
Final cost of all my stuff $2145 (which includes stuff I haven't mentioned). But, the bare bones of what you need, ignoring the monitor, sound card, etc was $1266
Paul
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03/28/2007 06:34:23 AM · #35 |
Originally posted by PGerst:
I DO suggest getting a CRT monitor. Personally, I hate the LCDs and I don't think they represent colors and shading properly, at least not the inexpensive ones. |
I second this - a very high quality 21" CRT will cost you a decent price, yes, but you'll only get a mediocre TFT for the same price. To be honest, i've NEVER seen a TFT that gives me the tonal rendition i want (blacks are never really black), although maybe i've never looked in a high enough price bracket...
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03/28/2007 07:27:48 AM · #36 |
One other comment.
I'd stay away from buying the "package deals" unless you really have done a ton of reasearch into it and can absolutely guarantee future flexibility. You mentioned that you are replacing your 2 year old computer. In my option, this is way too soon.
I have built 2 systems, the one I mentioned 2 posts ago, and another one 10 years prior. That first system lasted as long as it did because I custom built it with high end components and the ability to upgrade. It wasn't until last year that I maximized its capability.
I think the "package deals" are a scam, designed to get people to buy, or think they need to buy new computers every 2-3 years.
Your best bet is to research and build from scratch.
I also don't think I answered your question. I can't say which is better, a PC or Mac, because I simply don't have any experience with a Mac. But I do know this, whatever you get, make SURE you have PLENTY of memory! Processor speed is one thing, but memory is your first line defense for speed. The speed of the CPU dictates (in very simple terms) how fast data can be processed. The amount and speed of memory dictates how fast the data can be handled.
Speed bottle necks occur at different points in a system design, CPU, memory, North bridge, South bridge, etc. Know where those bottle necks are before buying a computer. A system with a fast processor may not be as fast as one with a slower processor if the motherboard can't keep up.
Finally, it doesn't matter how fast your system is, if you are running virus software, expect a performance hit when working with LARGE files (.psd mostly). I usually turn off on-access scanning while working in photoshop, unless I have an active internet port open.
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03/28/2007 07:48:32 AM · #37 |
| Ok being a pc tech I bought a macbook the other day. Intel. So far its been a learning experience. First the good. Hardware wise like a PC now. Ok the bad Small hdd got to go external to get large hdd and only 2 gig max on memory. Poor graphics card. Software wise some very nice products out, but most require high end graphics card. Being a tech I do not like the loss of control a mac gives you.Being lazy it is nice not to have to load drivers. Don't care about games so not going there. What really disturbed me is the fact it ask me all the time to enter my password to allow things to change. Reminds me of a commercial. Oh yeah and whats up with selling virus software for a machine that does not need it? Also Macs tend to come with less of a waranty than a PC unless you spend extra to get an extended warranty. But I do like the fact that people go oh cool your apple lights up and wow you got a mac. Oh And wireless is nice . SO there are the pros and cons coming from someone who just switched. As far as photography. I have found Aperture sucks and light room works for me better. CS2 runs fine on both machines. Final cut pro and express will not run unless you buy the top of the line MacBook Pros. But a Laptop with the same features does cost about twice as much money. Got to love the LCD used in macs |
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03/28/2007 08:14:22 AM · #38 |
| All great info, folks! Certainly makes me pause and start to think a little harder. It's good to see real reasons being put forth, instead of "get a PC because Mac sucks" or vice versa. |
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03/28/2007 10:15:36 AM · #39 |
Hey...thats what the commericals are for!
Originally posted by brownsm:
All great info, folks! Certainly makes me pause and start to think a little harder. It's good to see real reasons being put forth, instead of "get a PC because Mac sucks" or vice versa. |
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03/28/2007 10:20:43 AM · #40 |
Originally posted by riot:
Originally posted by PGerst:
I DO suggest getting a CRT monitor. Personally, I hate the LCDs and I don't think they represent colors and shading properly, at least not the inexpensive ones. |
I second this - a very high quality 21" CRT will cost you a decent price, yes, but you'll only get a mediocre TFT for the same price. To be honest, i've NEVER seen a TFT that gives me the tonal rendition i want (blacks are never really black), although maybe i've never looked in a high enough price bracket... |
You probably aren't looking at the right monitors. As with anything, avoid cheap knock-offs. I used CRT monitors for almost a decade, and that's quite enough for me. Currently, I use a Dell 24" widescreen. Blacks are pitch black, tonal range is better than CRT, the image is flat and wide, there is less heat than from a CRT, less glare, and there is no radiation as with a CRT. The image is substantially brighter.
Dell UltraSharp 2407FPW 24" LCD widescreen monitor
Message edited by author 2007-03-28 10:21:47. |
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03/28/2007 10:38:53 AM · #41 |
Originally posted by PGerst:
Hey...thats what the commericals are for!
Originally posted by brownsm:
All great info, folks! Certainly makes me pause and start to think a little harder. It's good to see real reasons being put forth, instead of "get a PC because Mac sucks" or vice versa. |
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Yup...but McCommercials are for drones...what they don't tell you is one button click and all that protective stuff in Vista goes away. |
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03/28/2007 10:42:53 AM · #42 |
| I definately would recommend buying the FORD |
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