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03/12/2007 12:15:48 PM · #1
Hiya Folks,

Popped out for a drive again up in the mountains (well, glorified hills, i think mountains sound more interesting) noticed a kestrel hovering with his buddy looking for food.

I took a few shots and because the clouds were overcast it didnt really make for a very attractive shot, so i did a little manipulation to improve things but i feel like i have kinda cheated myself even though i took the original pictures of the clouds and the Kestrel and even though it was all me me me, i still dont feel it is mine (if that makes sense).

This is was i ended up with. Would be interested in your thought on the subject of manipulation.



This was shot at 300mm into the light :(

Edit: Spelling

Message edited by author 2007-03-12 12:16:11.
03/12/2007 12:18:18 PM · #2
Good editing either way.. pf cause this kind of shot, when complimented with a blue sky, always gonna look better. Nice PS work
03/12/2007 12:24:04 PM · #3
As long as there's no claim that the photo is the unvarnished truth, then I don't see how there could possibly be any problem. As far as I'm concerned, it's the end result that matters.

03/12/2007 12:40:33 PM · #4
If you feel like you cheated yourself, then you did. That's a fact, and there's no need for anyone to talk you out of that feeling. I completely agree with it, in the sense I know you'd feel MUCH better if you should someday happen to get the perfect Kestrel/sky shot in all its natural glory. That's the great challenge of wildlife photography, after all; it's sort of like the thrill of the hunt.

But is it "still yours"? Of course it is. You created it. In many ways it is more "yours" than a straight shot with the same clouds would be.

You might ask yourself if your ambivalent feelings towards shopping bird/sky together would be any different if you were, say, shopping together some man-made objects into a fantastical landscape? Or some other example between those extremes?

It's like, there's a special set of self-imposed rules on wildlife photography and candid photography for most of us. At least, that's my opinion.

R.
03/12/2007 01:18:02 PM · #5
The club I submit work to runs on PSSA (Photographic Society of Southern Africa)rules.

Nature and Photojournalism has pretty much the same strict rules in terms of telling the truth, the whole truth, nothing more and nothing less so help me Cartier-Bresson.*

Often pics I make for myself won't fit in the club scenario, and club shots won't do well in DPC.

On the other hand, I hate off the shelf 'artistic' photshop filters in the abstract categories, but the club judges seem to love them.

Like Bear says. In the end it is not what makes other people happy or satisfies the rules, it is how you feel about it. If you have gone to the trouble to make the sky pretty with the artistic tools you have, relax and enjoy it.

I think.

* I googled "god of photography" hehe!

Message edited by author 2007-03-12 13:19:00.
03/12/2007 01:58:47 PM · #6
When i do add elements into an image (which is not very often and normally only limited to sky correction), i try to make them as normal as possible so that no-one would suspect that anything had ben altered. For example, i would not have a very vivid colourful sunset if it took over and detracted focus from the main subject of the scene.

I suppose in some respects its not too disimliar from carrying out basic editing of hue and saturation, contrast and so fourth, but i do get more enjoyment from an image that has been captured with only minimal colour correction.
03/12/2007 02:11:33 PM · #7
Unless you're trying to pass the photo off as "unedited" directly out of the camera...I don't see a problem with adding or taking away anything to help the shot.
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