Microsoft Announces HD Photo - DPChallenge Forums

03/10/2007 12:27:13 AM · #26

Originally posted by routerguy666:

I trust Grandma, but she's probably running an MS os so odds are the pictures I send her are in the hands of L33t 3V1L h@ck3rz as we sp33k. ;)

Yeah, since the email probably went through some Cisco router (which has the source code stolen a while back), some hacker intercepted the packets just to get a glimpse of some photos of grandchildren. Or, worse yet, some vulnerable Linux server along the way leaked out the photos. :D

At any rate, this thread is starting to veer off topic. I started this topic to discuss the new file format, not to get into an anti-Microsoft argument. This thread isn't about liking Microsoft or not, it's about the new HD Photo format, along with the corresponding Photoshop plug-ins. Let's get back on-track.

Message edited by author 2007-03-10 00:33:01.

Canon EF 24-70mm f/2.8L USM

03/10/2007 12:31:32 AM · #27

Originally posted by lesgainous:

Originally posted by routerguy666:
I trust Grandma, but she's probably running an MS os so odds are the pictures I send her are in the hands of L33t 3V1L h@ck3rz as we sp33k. ;)

Yeah, since the email probably went through some Cisco router (which has the source code stolen a while back), some hacker intercepted the packets just to get a glimpse of some photos of grandchildren. Or, worse yet, some vulnerable Linux server along the way leaked out the photos. :D

Whats up with that kernel vulnerability. I saw my routers firmware had a fix in there for that.

fotomann_forever

03/10/2007 01:15:41 AM · #28

For a change, I am mildly entertained by a technical thread :-)

violinist123

Canon EOS-6D

03/10/2007 09:24:11 AM · #29

Discussions like this tend to focus on MS because MS is an evil monopoly and^B^B^B^B^B oops, there we go again.

Speaking specifically to the new format, I would just say again that file formats should be handled by international task force bodies (eg, IETF) so that they are vendor agnostic and will be viable over time, not just over product lifecycles.

That's it. If HD imagery is the cat's meow, I look forward to seeing a non-proprietary and widely accepted version of it.

Pentax DA 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 AF

03/10/2007 11:03:07 AM · #30

Why would you believe HD Photo would remain proprietary??

(Taking off my Microsoft hat)...in my personal opinion, I wouldn't be surprised if HD Photo was (or already has) been submitted to a standards body for approval.

When Microsoft first came out with the C# programming language, many folks were up-in-arms about a new, powerful and popular language that was proprietary. Microsoft submitted the C# specification and was approved by ECMA and ISO.

ralph

Nikon Z9

03/10/2007 11:57:50 AM · #31

Originally posted by lesgainous:

Why would you believe HD Photo would remain proprietary??

it's theirs that why .. it is the embrace-and-extend tactics...

it's already patented up the yingyang -- it's all about revenue generation & licensing fees

SecondCurtain

Pentax K100D

03/10/2007 04:40:18 PM · #32

Originally posted by ralph:

Originally posted by lesgainous:
Why would you believe HD Photo would remain proprietary??

it's theirs that why .. it is the embrace-and-extend tactics...
it's already patented up the yingyang -- it's all about revenue generation & licensing fees

...and other popular formats are not? How many folks use PDF (acrobat)? How many folks use AAC (ipod)? These are all proprietary and their owners are raking in the big money.

I, too, am excited about the new HD Photo format. JPG is getting tired and someone needed to step and take photography into the 21st century.

Whether it catches on or not, don't knock it until you've looked at some HD Photo images. I haven't seen any yet, but am going to download the CS2 plug-in and give it a look. I suggest some of you do the same.

SteveJ

Canon EOS-7D

Canon EF-S 18-135mm f/3.5-5.6 IS STM

03/10/2007 05:20:23 PM · #33

MS want to rule the world and determine what we can use!! I don't want MS in my camera, they already govern my PC and cause so many problems.

Those who want it, okay.

I don't. I want my camera as the manufacturer made it, not what MS want it to be!

violinist123

Canon EOS-6D

Canon EF 24-70mm f/2.8L USM

03/10/2007 05:53:31 PM · #34

Originally posted by SecondCurtain:

PDF is an open format which is why I can view them using all sorts of non-Adobe applications. It is also being submitted to the standards bodies I mentioed before in an attempt to make it an ISO standard file format.

AAC is also an open format and it is already an ISO standard. The only thing proprietary about AAC as you are probably familiar with it is the parts that Apple f*cks with so that you can only use those files on their hardware.

Message edited by author 2007-03-10 17:53:51.

SecondCurtain

Pentax K100D

Pentax DA 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 AF

03/10/2007 07:00:28 PM · #35

Hey routerguy666: give it a rest and stop your wining. You act like you are 20 years old. If you reply again with anti-this and anti-that, you are only showing how immature you are.

This thead is about the quality, losslessness, high dynamic range, multiple color formats, etc. with the new HD Photo format--not about monopolies or good companies vs. bad companies.

FireBird

03/10/2007 09:58:11 PM · #36

Originally posted by SecondCurtain:

In any event I don't see it available on the referenced download site. Searched for it but found nothing but a couple of SDKs. Maybe it's on the Adobe site????

EDIT: Nope. Not there either.

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FireBird

03/10/2007 10:12:40 PM · #37

As usual MicroSofts asinine search engine made it a little hard to find the file. For those who don't want to navigate the corridors of the MS download site here it is:

HD plugin for CS2-3

FireBird

03/10/2007 10:35:30 PM · #38

Just installed the plugin on CS2. Will allow you to generate a .wdp file and read one. Installed the windows imaging component referenced in the announcement so windows XP sp2 picture and fax viewer could read .wdp files. UnfortunatelyiIt will not view those files . It will allow you to print them.
LOL.

violinist123

Canon EOS-6D

Canon EF 24-70mm f/2.8L USM

03/10/2007 11:07:55 PM · #39

Originally posted by SecondCurtain:

Hey routerguy666: give it a rest and stop your wining.

Hey thanks, new guy. I believe everything I posted is pro- one particular thing. Sorry if you can't keep up.

SecondCurtain

Pentax K100D

Pentax DA 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 AF

03/11/2007 12:00:58 AM · #40

Originally posted by routerguy666:

Originally posted by SecondCurtain:
Hey routerguy666: give it a rest and stop your wining. You act like you are 20 years old. If you reply again with anti-this and anti-that, you are only showing how immature you are.

I believe everything I posted is pro- one particular thing.

Dude, the "thing" is irrelevant to this thread and HP Photo.

So you had to show your immaturity, didn't you? Get lost old man, and let us discuss this new photo format.

03/11/2007 01:02:33 AM · #41

I just downloaded and installed the Photoshop plugin for HD Photo and here is what the options screen looks like when you go to save it in this format:

By default, the Basic Settings are like JPG where you set the quality slider (scale of 10 from 0 [low] to 1 [high], in .1 increments), or you can choose lossless for zero quality loss. This screenshot above shows the Advanced Settings section.

Message edited by author 2007-03-11 01:07:28.

03/11/2007 01:04:13 AM · #42

So when can we start entering challenge entries in HD lol.

03/11/2007 01:11:40 AM · #43

Originally posted by RainMotorsports:

So when can we start entering challenge entries in HD lol.

LOL! It's still a ways off. This is all still beta/preview software--the plugin, that is. However, for those running Windows Vista, there is nothing you need to do--HD Photo viewing capability is already built into the system.

03/11/2007 01:14:11 AM · #44

Originally posted by lesgainous:

Originally posted by RainMotorsports:
So when can we start entering challenge entries in HD lol.

LOL! It's still a ways off. This is all still beta/preview software--the plugin, that is. However, for those running Windows Vista, there is nothing you need to do--HD Photo viewing capability is already built into the system.

Yea minus firefox lol. I wonder if HD Photo works in Vista RC1? probly not had it since last June it expires this june i never got a copy of RC2. I might hold off on buying a release copy. Buy my dSLR first.

Message edited by author 2007-03-11 01:15:05.

03/11/2007 01:18:02 AM · #45

Originally posted by SecondCurtain:

Originally posted by ralph:

Originally posted by lesgainous:
Why would you believe HD Photo would remain proprietary??

it's theirs that why .. it is the embrace-and-extend tactics...
it's already patented up the yingyang -- it's all about revenue generation & licensing fees

...and other popular formats are not? How many folks use PDF (acrobat)? How many folks use AAC (ipod)? These are all proprietary and their owners are raking in the big money.

I, too, am excited about the new HD Photo format. JPG is getting tired and someone needed to step and take photography into the 21st century.

Whether it catches on or not, don't knock it until you've looked at some HD Photo images. I haven't seen any yet, but am going to download the CS2 plug-in and give it a look. I suggest some of you do the same.

PDF proprietary? Heh we need to upgrade you to linux were a free copy of Open Office 2.0 will let u save any document as a PDF. Before you rave into how muc better Acrobat 7 Pro is (I have it). All it truly does is convert existing documents and ontop of that it does have some unecesary for the average joe features like watermarking and digital rights management.

I dont have an updated copy dunno if those 3d features ever got put in.

03/11/2007 01:18:02 AM · #46

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Message edited by author 2007-03-11 01:18:25.

03/11/2007 01:28:42 AM · #47

By the way, for those that want to port HD Photo to other, non-Windows platforms, you can do so by downloading the free HD Photo Device Porting Kit.

Although Windows XP or Windows Vista is required to install the Device Porting Kit, once installed, the reference ANSI-C source code can be used on any platform or system with an ANSI-C compatible compiler and associated developement tools.