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03/05/2007 12:37:40 PM · #76 |
Sadly both are crimes, each one essentially has a victim, no matter who it is.
Admit it, theft is theft is theft is theft.
The sad fact is more frequently people see `downloading the odd MP3` as OK. and thats the problem these days, they know its theft, but then they whine & bitch when they get caught `sharing` them.
Answer these..
1. A guy drives off after filling up his car as he REALLY needs to get to work to feed his family. Crime?
2. A guy downloads the newest hippity hop album off Limewire. Crime?
3. Someone steals an image off a website, makes some major changes and passes it off as their own, maybe for financial reward. Crime?
All stealing, but is one more justifiable than the other?
Be very interested in your response.
Originally posted by elsmacko:
Yes, I live on a planet where crimes are not black and white. Where stealing a loaf of bread for food and a millionare defrauding thousands of people out of their live savings is Not equal. "Theft is Theft" is nonsense.
Is -downloading one album without paying for it- and -stealing someone's demo disc and selling it as your own- the same thing? Both are (theoretically) crimes, but otherwise are unequivocal.
Originally posted by marksimms:
Elsmacko - Sorry mate, you live on a different planet..
Theft is theft..
Simple as..
Originally posted by elsmacko:
Mark, I -Completely- disagree. There is an enormous difference between software piracy and intellectual and creative property thievery.
We're not talking about people downloading a picture that they haven't paid for and looking at it on their own computer. That is what software piracy is.
Most of the issues surrounding photo use and photo thievery are issues of someone taking someone's art and claiming it as their own. It's plagerism, its fraud, it's the same as if someone took your name off your own work and replaced it with their own.
What's going on here and software/music piracy are Not the same thing. |
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03/05/2007 01:31:16 PM · #77 |
Originally posted by marksimms:
Answer these..
1. A guy drives off after filling up his car as he REALLY needs to get to work to feed his family. Crime?
2. A guy downloads the newest hippity hop album off Limewire. Crime?
3. Someone steals an image off a website, makes some major changes and passes it off as their own, maybe for financial reward. Crime?
All stealing, but is one more justifiable than the other?
Be very interested in your response.
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1) Yes. He took something that can now no longer be sold to someone else.
2) Not in Canada ;-)
The fact that people just shrug off music downloads indicates to me that the music industry is no longer marketing a desirable product. Who wants to buy a CD thats just going to get scratched or broken in a few years anyway? Who wants to pay for a digital file thats just going to get lost or corrupted? The continuing threat from P2P is a driving force behind refreshing change in what has become a stagnant industry. Artists that embrace innovation are going to be far more successful than those that try to fight it, and as a result, we are already seeing big changes in the way bands market their product to the public: myspace, indie bands, online content supplementing the music, etc.
3) Yes, with the kicker being passing it off as your own. Theres nothing you can do about people downloading an image you choose to display on the internet, but calling it your own and maybe trying to sell it is crossing the line.
How many DPCers have prints for sale that they edited with pirated copies of photoshop, operating on pirated copies of windows? I myself won't sell any prints until I make sure my software is 100% legal. Software like photoshop isnt marketed at the majority of the photo-tweaking population, but the fact that its easily available for download has made it a staple for almost everyones workflow. How many additional sales do you think Adobe has garnered due to the fact that people get hooked on photoshop using illegal copies, then buy a legitimate version later on? It's like no hassle, long term demo software :-P
Anyway... I just got up, gotta make some tea to help with the after effects from my last post in this thread... |
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03/05/2007 01:42:04 PM · #78 |
Yes ... Theft IS theft.
BUT!
Anyone that argues that stealing a blade of grass from the neighbours yard (or even a pretty dandelion or tulip or rose) is the same as stealing up to 8,735.3 hours of work someone or someones took to create some software does not really have much human perspective IMO.
In the middle is the stolen image. Welp ... as has been mentioned in other threads ... if they DO steal your image ... they cant make a LOT from a 640X surely!
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03/05/2007 01:55:15 PM · #79 |
Gotta say Stealing music is a crime as well.
However the penalties are different depending on the crime: Stealing a loaf of bread is usually punished less than stealing a car.
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03/05/2007 02:04:34 PM · #80 |
I'll bet you the max penalty for stealing a loaf of bread is more than you think it is.
Anybody want to look up their state's shoplifting laws?
Skid
Originally posted by Robby:
Gotta say Stealing music is a crime as well.
However the penalties are different depending on the crime: Stealing a loaf of bread is usually punished less than stealing a car. |
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03/05/2007 02:04:44 PM · #81 |
Originally posted by Robby:
Gotta say Stealing music is a crime as well.
However the penalties are different depending on the crime: Stealing a loaf of bread is usually punished less than stealing a car. |
stealing music and pirating software is a crime. but those 2 issues have been desensitized so much to our society that its deemed "normal".
It's wrong but it IS apart of todays society, and theres not much you can really do except suck it up and watch it happen. |
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03/05/2007 02:10:37 PM · #82 |
Originally posted by noisemaker:
stealing music ... is a crime. |
You live in Canada. Thats not a crime here.
We just pay extra taxes on blank storage media like tapes and CDs and ipods (not sure if the ipod tax ever materialised, I remember hearing about it a month or so ago)
Message edited by author 2007-03-05 14:15:42. |
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03/05/2007 02:17:51 PM · #83 |
Spitting on the sidewalk is a crime too in most places ... but you think that police should spend as much time enforcing that as people that steal music and make a few thousand bootleg copies of it to sell?
... what EVer!
I cannot believe that most of you have not talked about how serious a crime is ... not just if it is or is not a freaking crime.
... anyways ... I won't bother you further. I may have to console a friend who had his 10 year old daughter raped and probably doesn't care much right now if your 640 pixel image got STOLEN so someone can use it as their Windows wallpaper ...
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03/05/2007 02:18:55 PM · #84 |
Originally posted by option:
Originally posted by noisemaker:
stealing music ... is a crime. |
You live in Canada. Thats not a crime here.
We just pay extra taxes on blank storage media like tapes and CDs and ipods (not sure if the ipod tax ever materialised, I remember hearing about it a month or so ago) |
i know i know im just stating for the majority population on this site :P
and no there is no extra taxes on ipods(we sell them at my work[London Drugs])
and yeah for an audio cd its an extra 77cents per unit, non audio is 21cents per unit |
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03/05/2007 02:44:46 PM · #85 |
Originally posted by Greetmir:
I may have to console a friend who had his 10 year old daughter raped and probably doesn't care much right now if your 640 pixel image got STOLEN so someone can use it as their Windows wallpaper ... |
Keep it clean mate..
We're talking of theft here.
Message edited by author 2007-03-05 14:45:34. |
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03/05/2007 02:53:48 PM · #86 |
Time to refocus on the specific issue for which this thread was created -- which by the way seems to have been resolved. : )
If you want to continue the discussion of relative criminality please do so in a new thread devoted to that purpose.
Thanks. |
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